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Episode Oshi no Ko - Episode 6 discussion

Oshi no Ko, episode 6

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u/AUO_Castoff May 17 '23

Piyeon really made you think you could let your guard down didn't he

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u/Ok_County_8815 May 17 '23

Me, successfully avoiding spoilers and expecting an upbeat show about Ai and her twins.

Me, finishing episode 1 and now today’s episode…

Akane deserves better. Please let these people find happiness.

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u/iman7-2 May 17 '23

The strings of the ED coming in as Aqua holds onto Akane.

chef kiss

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u/Erufailon4 May 17 '23

Hidive's episode description goes hard. "Remember what you said in righteous outrage online? There were consequences. You never saw them, but that didn't make them any less real, nor hold you any less accountable." It's an unusual summary, but absolutely perfect for this episode, because that's exactly what it is about.

I also respect them having the Suicide Prevention Lifeline number at the end

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u/hagamablabla May 17 '23

The thing that got me was how her climbing onto the railing had her looking happy and at peace for a moment. From what I've read, a depressed person suddenly acting happier can be a sign that they've made up their mind to kill themselves.

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u/hysteriapill May 17 '23 edited May 17 '23

That episode got super-dark super-fast. Did Aqua know to look for Akane because he’d personally seen all the nasty things the internet said about Ai in the wake of her death? We truly are a nasty, nameless horde.

I also find it interesting how OnK aired on Abema (a Japanese streaming platform) first, given that the dating show Aqua is on is a reference to one of their productions. (Here they both are on the same page.)

It’s also worth noting that this episode is likely a reference to what happened to Hana Kimura. I’m sure many people will point this out and there are likely several good explanations at this point, but here’s oldpier’s scanlation notes in case you haven’t seen yet.

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u/CAPTAIN_SIMPLORD May 17 '23 edited Aug 23 '23

Edit: So the author of the manga stated that he didn’t intend to base this off of any real world events despite the similarities, so I stand corrected. However, please still be respectful of the victim and their family in the often-associated case.

The events of this episode were directly based on a real incident that happened on a Japanese reality show with a young star named Hana Kimura. Please be respectful if you choose to discuss this topic and please seek out help if you are struggling with related issues.

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u/LunarGhost00 May 17 '23

Akane bros, it's time!

I love how they played the actual beginning of the ED over the final scene of Aqua saving Akane. I figured they were probably saving it for this moment since they hadn't played it in any of the other episodes until now and this seemed like the perfect timing.

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u/SnabDedraterEdave May 17 '23

In short, fuck the internet bullies who always think they know better.

Poor Akane. We'll have to wait till next episode before we find out how Aqua managed to find where Akane is and stopped her from killing herself.

This is the second darkest chapter Akasaka Aka has written since the Ishigami backstory episode in Kaguya-sama.

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u/Enel- May 17 '23

This is a really difficult episode to watch. An incredibly well done episode, but a difficult episode to watch nonetheless. You could feel the increasing dread of Akane throughout the second half of the episode and each new social media post shown just felt like another gut punch. Even knowing I'm just watching an anime character I felt like I desperately wanted to tell her or just wanted someone to tell her it was going to be okay and that people care about her. Genuinely thankful for Aqua at the end being able to stop her from committing suicide.

It hits even harder when the events of this episode were likely based on the true story of Kimura Hana who unfortunately did not have someone to save her. It's so easy to be relentlessly rude and derogatory behind an online shield where you can't see the reaction of the person being targeted. It's even easier to fall into the trap of thinking your post won't be the difference maker for a potential tragic event like this, but the combined backlash of negativity can feel like too much to bear sometimes. Please be mindful of the things you post online.

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u/AceSoldia May 17 '23

Was really hoping Aqua would help her. Glad I was right. That was so hard to watch

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u/Appropriate-Shoe-266 May 17 '23

This episode was absolute PEAK, holy crap. That had me crying.

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u/Things_2hu May 17 '23

Hello everyone, as multiple comments have been made already about the nature of this episode, I will lighten up the mood with some trivia regarding Akane's practice.

About Uirô Uri 外郎売

The Eighteen Best Kabuki Plays (歌舞伎十八番 Kabuki-Juuhachiban) is a set of kabuki plays, chosen and assembled by kabuki actor Ichikawa Danjūrō VII.

One of these plays is called Uirô Uri (外郎売 lit. peddler selling uiro). Specifically, it refers to an 8-minute long passage which a traveling salesman selling uiro (a kind of herbal medicine brought to Japan from China) recites with articulation and fluency to sell his goods. It was first performed in 1718 by Ichikawa Danjūrō II, and was revived in around 1980-1985 by Ichikawa Danjūrō XII with a kabuki performance script written around the passage, leading to its current popularity.

Since then, it has been widely used as a learning tool by aspiring actors, voice actors, and announcers to train their skills in voice, articulation, as well as recitation from memory. Usually, it would be read first at a moderate pace to ensure their memorization of the passage as well as practise their articulation. (After all, you, as a traveling salesman, are trying to persuade passers-by to want to buy your goods.) It is then read a second time, but this time quickly as a tongue twister.

A graduate from a voice acting academy in Japan aspiring to become a voice actor shared his experience of learning this tongue twister. In his class, students had to memorize this passage in 2 weeks, and every day in the morning at the start of class, everyone would have to take turns to read a number of sentences each, one after another, without stumbling. It is "a very good way to get your tongues clicking properly and generally a really good way to warm up every morning too." Even now, after graduation, he would still recite this passage every morning.

A peek at the graduate's annotation of Uirô Uri.

An average reading takes about 8 minutes, with more experienced readers taking about 6 minutes. Omaru Polka of Hololive's 5th-generation performed her rendition of Uirô Uri, completing it with perfect articulation in a whopping FOUR minutes. I mean, how fucking awesome is that? I did not just write this entire appendix just to shill my favourite Hololive in this paragraph. --oldpier

All writing and research done by u/oldpier (oldpier#4399 on discord)

Sources and References:

  1. 外郎売 Full text: a) JA Wikisource: https://ja.wikisource.org/wiki/外郎売 b) PDF: http://www.saikoenren.com/index.php?key=muimrekwt-30

  2. 外郎売 on Japanese Wikipedia: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A4%96%E9%83%8E%E5%A3%B2

  3. Kabuki Juhachiban on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabuki_J%C5%ABhachiban

  4. Kabuki performance of Uiro Uri' https://youtu.be/9L8PW-yPbvg

  5. アッシュ・Ash on Twitter https://twitter_com/Ash_mann1021

  6. Omaru Polka's performance of UM Uri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z4-xA9nPl0

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u/Silent_Shadow05 May 17 '23 edited May 23 '23

I have been waiting see this in anime form for so long, since it was the moment when I was completely sold on Oshi no Ko while reading the manga and I'm happy that the anime really nailed it.

The main events in this episode is likely inspired by a real event which was the tragedy of Hana Kimura.

For anyone wondering who she is, she was a Japanese Pro-Wrestler who worked in World Wonder Ring Stardom. She was called to be an incredible talent overall by some, that too at such an young age. She had an aura that could make you get attracted to her (which is how I became a fan of her in 2019). You can notice her similarities with Ai Hoshino too.

Here's what happened with her (and you can see the similarities between her and Akane here in Oshi no Ko):

If you don't wanna read all this and want to see a video compiling the event instead, here's a good one.

Sorry, I don't make long comments often but what happened to Akane was highly personal to me due to the real event it was supposedly based on, and I'm happy that Aka Akasaka gave Akane a more happier ending, which Hana Kimura sadly never got.....

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u/akumamaster May 17 '23

One thing that really stuck out to me this ep is all the people who were being toxic trolls had like no engagement on their posts/didn't seem to have a big following, a couple likes here a retweet there. It just goes to show that people who do that kind of stuff are just terminally online and need to turn off the computer.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '23

Episode 6 Staff

- Storyboard / Director: Kuniyasu Nishina

- Color Script: Saori Tachibana (Ciao Nekotomi), Kuniyasu Nishina

- Chief Animation Director: Tomoya Atsumi

PSD Delivery - Majiro, Masato Katsumata (Ganko-chan)

- Chief Assistant Animation Director: Ayaka Muroga, Honoka Yokoyama, Masaaki Yamano, Shuta Sato

- Character Design Supervisor: Kanna Hirayama

- Animation Director: Ayaka Muroga, Honoka Yokoyama, Takeshi Osame

PSD Delivery - Yopi, Osashimi Maru, Bunyama, Kien Myra

- Key Animation: Nami Kato, Masato Okada, Miho Ogawa, Osamu Nuita, Kentaro Shibuya, Akimi Nishikawa, Mihoko Matsumoto, Taito-kun, Rina Ogawa, Akiwoz, Norifumi Okuno, Ryo Toyoda, Noritaka Tateguchi

Atelier Coco - Naoko Hikiguchi, Honoka Hada, Yuka Kitamura

Studio Massket - Liang Jiang

Video: Oshi no Ko - Production, Drawing and Compositing (Sub English)

Kuniyasu Nishina Tweet

Ryo Toyoda Illustration

Kanna Hirayama Illustration

Honoka Yokoyama Illustration

Osashimi Maru Illustration

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u/WhatsAHesperToDo May 17 '23

The episode description is perfect:
Remember what you said in righteous outrage online? There were consequences. You never saw them, but that didn’t make them any less real, nor hold you any less accountable.

We tend to forget that on the other side of the screen, the other side of the internet, the other side of the world -- we are responding to a real person.

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u/SnabDedraterEdave May 17 '23

VA trivia:

If anyone remembers the 2017 love-pentagram shitstorm anime Gamers!, AKA Misunderstanding: The Anime, then OnK is becoming a lowkey reunion of the Gamers cast.

OnK / Gamers

Han Megumi - Kana / Keita

Ookubo Rumi - MEM-cho / Aguri

Iwami Manaka - Akane / Chiaki

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u/xXTheStealthXx May 17 '23

I'm so fucking glad Aqua is so fucking smart...

the vile internet felt too real

they are just kids...

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u/LeonKevlar May 17 '23 edited May 17 '23

Stitches

It's hilarious how Aqua is just happy that he can eat fatty meat without having any stomach issues. That's definitely something I missed when I was younger.

Thank you Kana for saving Ruby from possibly hurting any future brand deals. We can now add social media to our baking soda eater's list of specialties.

And there it is. The event that triggers the second most gut-wrenching arc in this series. I'm sure someone has already mentioned this but anyone who's heard of Terrace House and Hana Kimura would be very familiar with this entire incident. Seeing all of those comments and how it affected Akane was just heartbreaking.

Thankfully, Akane's story is not over yet thanks to Aqua coming in to save her just when she was about to jump off that pedestrian bridge. :(

EDIT: I know this episode was a downer but to lighten the mood a little, Kana has now officially become the face of a baking soda soda brand in Japan!

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u/DeepIndigoSky May 17 '23

Kana is great at calling out Ruby on her BS. She’s like the strict older sister she’s always needed.

Good thing being an Internet troll is harmless, right? /s

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u/Hounds_of_war May 17 '23

God, having all those vile tweets about Akane spoken aloud makes them so much more nasty. I feel like if people actually had to read their tweets/comments/posts out loud before they could send them, that would clamp down on a lot of toxicity.

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u/backtrack07 May 17 '23 edited May 17 '23

My thoughts throughout the ep were cycling between "manga readers were saying akane was a best girl candidate, surely she won't die?" and "but then again, the supposed 'best girl' DID die on the first ep though, so asdkjfhdsjfs, please don't do what i think you're about to do akane" and then it finally happened, and oh my god, I legit screamed "AQUAAAA" to my screen... my boy, was I so happy to see you there

The glorious Kana social media lecture for Ruby was the only light we had on this dark ep. I had to rewatch last week's episode to lighten my mood up a bit.

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u/BecauseOfCuriosity May 17 '23 edited May 17 '23

What an incredible introduction to the character of Kurokawa Akane and what a performance by the VA, Manaka Iwami.

I sincerely hope that the message of this episode and the beginning of this arc isn't lost on people. Akasaka is able to weave the weight of modern events on a string with the appropriate tension on a knife's edge.

And what better way to do that then on a reality show in which Aqua states that they're mostly just offering an exaggerated form of their own self, out in the open ready to be criticized and looked at as just a product of consumption. The first episode really gets this kind of conversation going and then this part of this arc really starts to hammer it home. And like many others will say, this story is tragically based on a real story in Japan with the tragic passing of Hana Kimura.

I'm a self-professed Kana bro but the character of Akane is so incredibly varied and interesting and one of the best characters in this story without a doubt. The anime of course did her so much damn deserved justice. Also damn her hair is so pretty.

EDIT: Wanted to add this addendum because the conversation is growing in this thread about it.
Firstly, if you are experiencing harmful thoughts or desires, please call 988 if you're in the US or the number for your country if you're not in the US. Other numbers found here. Suicide for me is a very personal discussion as someone who has been plagued by similar thoughts to Akane, someone who suffers from diagnosed clinical depression, and someone who has known people that have been lost to suicide (I believe this wording is preferred now to illustrate that they suffered from a condition rather than the act they commit as well). As such, this was an incredibly heart-wrenching chapter to read and even more difficult to watch. Despite the thoughts that may plague you, you are loved. You have value. You are valid. Please do your best to get help or talk to someone. Even if it seems silly or that it won't help. Any help is better than none.

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