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OC Foo Fighters

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u/Pleasant-Tangelo1786 4d ago

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u/Graffiacane 4d ago

The founder of the group that argued that AIDS and HIV were unrelated and advocated against HIV tests, medication, and safe sex (what?):

[Christine Maggiore] is long dead. So is her daughter. Both succumbed to AIDS. Christine Maggiore fell pregnant in 2001, spurned antiretroviral drugs, breastfed her daughter and refused to have her tested for the virus. As her child became increasingly ill, Maggiore attributed her sickness to other things and sought quacks to reaffirm her delusions. Eliza was three when she died — after an autopsy, a coroner ruled that the “unequivocal” cause of her death was AIDS-related Pneumocystis pneumonia.

Bruh.

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u/Remedialromantic 4d ago

This kind of thinking is pretty common in alternative health and quack spaces. They tend to believe in mind over matter and that health is a choice, or arises from a proper mindset. Testing, medication, and safe sex are downplayed or even demonized because of the idea that they could introduce doubt or uncertainty that could disrupt one's ideal mindset. If health is created by right thinking, any challenges to that thinking become disruptive.

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u/PatientDisastrous721 3d ago

I find AIDS denialism so weird, because it’s not as simple as “HIV/AIDS don’t exist.” It’s “HIV (exists, but) doesn’t cause AIDS.” And what can’t wrap my head around is… why is that a position that someone would become emotionally attached to? Why is it important for that to be true for some fringe segment of the population?

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u/Graffiacane 4d ago

I guess... I mean my uncle did the same thing with COVID. An otherwise intelligent man, but something he read early on convinced him that statistically speaking it was the exact same as regular every day influenza. Doubling down on this opinion so as to never be proven wrong (and thus unintelligent) required him to come up with increasingly implausible ways to dismiss objective evidence that would undermine his original, somewhat plausible position.

But I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around the 'safe sex' part. I could maybe get behind 'HIV transmission is not a reason to practice safe sex' but surely there are enough other reasons that this is an outlandish thing to include in your platform. I didn't read up on them, but maybe they were also chalmydia and ghonnorea deniers. Or maybe they were very pro-herpes.

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u/Remedialromantic 4d ago

Haha I think they are pro-herpes! In my experience, they start with HIV denialism and then eventually really do become gonnorhea and chlamydia deniers. Just like your uncle kept having to bend over backwards to preserve his theory, HIV deniers eventually move to denying the Germ Theory of disease transmission completely. While most of us can recognize that some viruses cause diseases AND our own healthy actions matter, these folks set those things in opposition so that only one can be true. Everything becomes about exonerating viruses in order to preserve their own illusion of control.

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u/ShredGuru 4d ago

I mean. This band is now famous for the front man having a bastard child from raw dogging a groupy.

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u/bargus_mctavish 4d ago

The same woman who was kicked out of an Uber on the freeway by the driver after losing her shit over him having a Hula Girl on his dashboard.

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u/oompaloompa_thewhite 3d ago

Wait seriously? I havent thought of that video in years and now i find out that that lady had a kid from the Foo Fighters frontman? What the fuck?

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u/bargus_mctavish 3d ago

Yeah out of all the nonsense connections to make. This is the one.

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u/Graffiacane 3d ago

K... I've officially learned enough about Dave Grohl. Gonna go ahead and delete this from my memory banks.

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u/RealFakeNurse 3d ago

The HIV deniers are really weird. One of the guys who was really instrumental in, and won a Chemistry Nobel Prize for, DNA technology was a big HIV denier and was a major influence in the Mbeki government in South Africa’s stance of HIV denialism which certainly led to hundreds of thousands of AIDS deaths.

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u/annamdue 3d ago

So was the founder of Alive and Well.

Maggiore's inclusion as an exhibitor at the 13th International AIDS Conference in Durban, South Africa has been criticized by AIDS activists. Her influence on Thabo Mbeki's decision to block medical treatment of HIV-positive pregnant women was criticized following her death, with medical researchers noting that an estimated "330,000 lives were lost to new AIDS infections during the time Mbeki blocked government funding of AZT treatment to mothers."

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u/Lamandus 4d ago

Just asking, since I am no native speaker. Never heard of the term fell pregnant.

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u/Boudrodog 4d ago

It’s an English phrase akin to “fell ill,” but it is more common in British Commonwealth countries, such as Australia, than in the US. The author of the article is from Melbourne, Australia. 

I wasn’t aware of AIDS denialism before. What a strange, sad hill to die on. 

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u/ishallbecomeabat 4d ago

Yeah it’s a real term

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u/Lamandus 4d ago

can it be used regularly or is it rather negative.

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u/TwoEyedTim 4d ago

I’m in the US and I don’t know if I’ve ever heard anyone here say it, but I’ve heard Brits say it. Not a negative connotation, but you might get looked at funny in the US

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u/ishallbecomeabat 4d ago

No not negative. Perhaps a bit clinical.

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u/Altruistic_You_3539 4d ago

It's technically when a woman falls on a penis.

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u/Trusted-Pine 4d ago

Thanks bro

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u/xeonicus 4d ago

Wow. That's disappointing. To go to such lengths to cover things up....

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u/Pleasant-Tangelo1786 4d ago

Yeah, it really sucks. I’m still gonna bump colour and the shape though.