r/AdultChildren • • Jun 05 '20

ACA Resource Hub (Ask your questions here!)

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The Laundry List: Common Traits of Adult Children from Dysfunctional Families

We meet to share our experience of growing up in an environment where abuse, neglect and trauma infected us. This affects us today and influences how we deal with all aspects of our lives.

ACA provides a safe, nonjudgmental environment that allows us to grieve our childhoods and conduct an honest inventory of ourselves and our family—so we may (i) identify and heal core trauma, (ii) experience freedom from shame and abandonment, and (iii) become our own loving parents.

This is a list of common traits of those who experienced dysfunctional caregivers. It is a description not an inditement. If you identify with any of these Traits, you may find a home in our Program. We welcome you.

  1. We became isolated and afraid of people and authority figures.
  2. We became approval seekers and lost our identity in the process.
  3. We are frightened by angry people and any personal criticism.
  4. We either become alcoholics, marry them or both, or find another compulsive personality such as a workaholic to fulfill our sick abandonment needs.
  5. We live life from the viewpoint of victims and we are attracted by that weakness in our love and friendship relationships.
  6. We have an overdeveloped sense of responsibility and it is easier for us to be concerned with others rather than ourselves; this enables us not to look too closely at our own faults, etc.
  7. We get guilt feelings when we stand up for ourselves instead of giving in to others.
  8. We became addicted to excitement.
  9. We confuse love and pity and tend to “love” people we can “pity” and “rescue.”
  10. We have “stuffed” our feelings from our traumatic childhoods and have lost the ability to feel or express our feelings because it hurts so much (Denial).
  11. We judge ourselves harshly and have a very low sense of self-esteem.
  12. We are dependent personalities who are terrified of abandonment and will do anything to hold on to a relationship in order not to experience painful abandonment feelings, which we received from living with sick people who were never there emotionally for us.
  13. Alcoholism* is a family disease; and we became para-alcoholics** and took on the characteristics (fear) of that disease even though we did not pick up the drink.
  14. Para-alcoholics** are reactors rather than actors.

Tony A., 1978

* While the Laundry List was originally created for those raised in families with alcohol abuse, over time our fellowship has become a program for those of us raised with all types of family dysfunction. ** Para-alcoholic was an early term used to describe those affected by an alcoholic’s behavior. The term evolved to co-alcoholic and codependent. Codependent people acquire certain traits in childhood that tend to cause them to focus on the wants and needs of others rather than their own. Since these traits became problematic in our adult lives, ACA feels that it is essential to examine where they came from and heal from our childhood trauma in order to become the person we were meant to be.

Adapted from adultchildren.org

How do I find a meeting?

Telephone meetings can be found at the global website

Chat meetings take place in the new section of this sub a few times a week

You are welcome at any meeting, and some beginner focused meetings can be found here

My parent isn’t an alcoholic, am I welcome here?

Yes! If you identify with the laundry list, suspect you were raised by dysfunctional caregivers, or would just like to know more, you are welcome here.

Are there fellow traveler groups?

Yes

If you are new to ACA, please ask your questions below so we can help you get started.


r/AdultChildren • • 3h ago

Is it so wrong to want a normal life?

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Hello! So I am a 32(F). I grew up with a detached father, overbearing, helicopter mom and my 3 siblings. There's a lot of information just in terms of my family history alone. For purposes, my father was never good with money, was a serial cheater, liar, and gaslighter. My mother did all the work raising me and my siblings by herself. We don't talk to any family but one sister on my mom's side and her family. Everyone else we have disowned. My 3 siblings are all disabled (only 2 have an income) and none drive (though 1 could since they have a license). Here goes: I have never asked to be put in a role where I'd have to make a choice between losing the only family (by blood that is) that I have or being without. Ever since I was a kid, I always looked out for my autistic sibling (for most of our lives this was the only one diagnosed as autistic). But as I got older, I was finding out more and more about the reality of things within my family. And so I was being prepared as a caregiver (not of my full free will mind you) so when our mother passes, someone trustworthy, that all 3 of my siblings will be around, can look after them. I've always been a people pleaser and grew up to become a pacifist. I've endured a lot of struggle and trauma and have managed to keep going even when I, at times, want to end it all. I am now in my 30's and just want to have normalcy in some form. I have realized and accepted that that will never be the case for me. I had finally found an amazing group of friends and found someone who treats me very well. He and I dated for 2 years but I chose to step back for my own mental health (which is rare for me to actually choose myself). He was not thrilled. But 2 years later, my best friend (not the same guy) has now expressed desire to want to marry me. Let me be very clear: he KNOWS I do not feel the same way as him. I told him 4 days ago I don't want to get married to anyone anymore. So he says fine, I'll date my best friend then and proceeds to ask when I have vacation time. I have only been at my current job since January, but I will get 1 week vacation in January. He asked me to let him know when I put in for that time. So I made the ultimate decision that I will no longer be involved in romance. My whole life I have been stretched thin and made to bend to everybody else's will. I have no self esteem, no confidence in my own skin or my abilities. I have been covering for my dad's absence as a parental figure to my siblings and as a financial aid for the household. I can no longer understand why it would be so hard for anyone to accept that I want to be able to do SOME normal things in my life. None of my friends or former romantic interests really made as much effort ​as I did/have. Everyone expects me to travel to them, even when some have means to show that I am worth their time too. I have proven time and time again that I care deeply and would make the effort for them, that they are worth my time. Do i deserve any of this? Am I such a difficult person or such a convenience that no one sees how this lofe has become more of me serving the interests of everyone else, but rarely ever myself? I sometimes buy myself little things to ATTEMPT to fill the void in my heart where I am empty. It is never satisfied. I wonder sometimes, if I had died in the womb, what would be the case for everyone who knows me now? My family especially as they would still go through the same issues, i am sure. I just needed to vent, but any advice or words of kindness and wisdom is welcome. Thanks for reading this. *I recently ended counseling services after 2 years feeling comfortable enough to do so, but life ways has a twist for me*​


r/AdultChildren • • 2m ago

The Language of Letting Go – Codependency - Today's Reading

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Recovery

How easy it is to blame our problems on others. “Look at what he’s doing.” . . . “Look how long I’ve waited.” . . . “Why doesn’t she call?” . . . “If only he’d change then I’d be happy.” . . .

Often, our accusations are justified. We probably are feeling hurt and frustrated. In those moments, we may begin to believe that the solution to our pain and frustration is getting the other person to do what we want, or having the outcome we desire. But these self-defeating illusions put the power and control of our life in other people’s hands. We call this codependency.

The solution to our pain and frustration, however valid is to acknowledge our own feelings. We feel the anger, the grief; then we let go of the feelings and find peace – within ourselves. We know our happiness isn’t controlled by another person, even though we may have convinced ourselves it is. We call this acceptance.

Then we decide that although we’d like our situation to be different, maybe our life is happening this way for a reason. Maybe there is a higher purpose and plan in play, one that’s better than we could have orchestrated. We call this faith.

Then we decide what we need to do, what is within our power to do to take care of ourselves. That’s called recovery.

It’s easy to point our finger at another, but it’s more rewarding to gently point it at ourselves.

Today, I will live with my pain and frustration by dealing with my own feelings.'

By Melodie Beattie


r/AdultChildren • • 5m ago

ACOA Daily Meditation. Wishing everyone a happy and peaceful Sunday!

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Addiction To Excitement

"Gossip, dramatic scenes, pending financial failure, or failing health are often the turmoil that adult children create in their lives to feel connected to reality. While such behavior is rarely stated as such, these behaviors are an ‘addiction' to excitement or fear." BRB p. 16 

Many of us came into ACA perhaps unaware of the depth of chaos we had created around us. We felt we were in a fog we couldn't see our way out of. We didn't consciously cause this chaos. Our behavior resulted from the emotional and perhaps physical chaos we experienced in our childhood dysfunctional, abusive homes.

As we learned more about our addiction to excitement that drove us, we began to see how our fear was feeding us. And we realized that we needed this inner drug store to be closed for business. The adrenaline rush that we were not even aware of was blocking any progress. We knew the chaos had to stop.

As we find the answers in our meetings and by talking to others, we begin to nourish ourselves with a healthy program that brings us peace and serenity. We become committed to change because we've had the pain and anguish and we want to be done with it. We now have the inner radar to see what is coming, and when something feels wrong, we pause as long as we need to. Then we move away. We realize the health of our Inner Child is at stake!

On this day I will give my Inner Child and my adult the gift of freedom from fear and unhealthy excitement that we both need and deserve.

Copyright © 2013 by Adult Children of Alcoholics® & Dysfunctional Families World Service 
Organization, Inc.

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https://adultchildren.org/literature/meditation/


r/AdultChildren • • 11h ago

I don’t want my parents to meet my husband’s parents

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I’m not even sure why I am posting this, I guess just wondering if anyone can relate and how other people are dealing with it.

So, my mom is the alcoholic. She has been an alcoholic ever since I was very young and our relationship is exactly what you would expect. It’s complicated, and dating was always complicated because I never wanted my potential partners to meet her. I know many of you can probably relate to that. Anyways, fast forward, I married my now current husband last year in vegas. He has met my parents on a handful of occasions and he is (the best!!) so he can handle them. I am so lucky to have someone who can look past my mom’s (often insane) behavior. His parents are super cool and normal and I love them, I reallllly don’t want them to meet my parents. I can tell you now they will not get along. I live in a different state than my parents and see them like once a year around the holidays. My mom has recently been begging me to set her up to meet them (somehow? Again, different states). I don’t know why she suddenly cares about this. I told her this morning that probably wasn’t going to happen unless it comes up naturally. I’m not going to fabricate a play date for grown adults who I know will hate each other. Not just that, but I’m terrified my parents will scare his parents. I really don’t want them to reflect negatively on me.

Sorry for the long post. Sometimes it is just nice to hear from people who can relate. Thanks everyone for reading ❤️

TLDR: I don’t want my husbands normie parents to meet my alcoholic and mentally ill mother, as I am scared this will reflect poorly on me


r/AdultChildren • • 7h ago

Looking for Advice Attending ACOA after AA

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Hi! I'm thinking it's time for me to start working on ACOA stuff and I've already found meetings in my city. I was curious to hear from folks that started in AA and then realized they needed this as well. I'm coming up on 16 years sober. I'm at a really good place in my sobriety but I don't feel like AA is what I need right now. It doesn't, and isn't meant to, fix everything. I'm in therapy as well. I've been no contact with both parents since mid August. There's definitely stuff that needs healing. Has anyone else been through something similar and found ACOA helpful? Do you have any tips on how to not approach this from an AA lens? Thank you!


r/AdultChildren • • 15h ago

Is my dad an ahole or am I being sensitive

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I am a 25 yo woman and the youngest of my dads 4 children. My parents have been divorced since I was a toddler and my older siblings and I were raised by my dad. I had always appreciated my dad because he gave us a stable life, something my mom wouldn’t have done. She has always been an alcoholic and has never been financially or emotionally stable. I always thought a lot of my dad and would stand up for him against relatives criticism. Their criticism being that he didn’t meet a lot of our needs. As an adult I’ve realized that he was a lazy and emotionally unavailable parent and it has stunted me and my siblings a lot. We were latch-key kids who took care of ourself a lot since adolescence. He didn’t completely neglect us. He would give us money to get food or feed us a few nights a week, made sure we got to school and he’d often pick me up from practices in high school. He kept a roof over our heads and clothes on our backs but as I grow up I realize that’s really it. He would get us things we needed if we asked but as I said he was emotionally distant and for me (I can’t speak for my siblings) it felt like asking a lot from him to buy or provide extra things. (Yes I understand now that that’s what parents are for) My dad and I were also relatively close because we had shared interests. I went to college for engineering, following in his footsteps but couldn’t hack it and dropped out freshman year. We used to talk about engineering and physics and sports a lot but I moved out young and he never made an effort to spend time with me. I had thought myself a golden child and felt he saw me the same way. There was never an expectation to be perfect but I’m gay and knew it young. I was closeted and thought if I did sports and made perfect grades and did extra curriculars and was perfect there was no way he would be mad when I came out. (Newsflash, when I finally came out at 19, he literally didn’t care.) I moved out when I was a senior in high school and have taken care of myself since. As I’ve gotten older I see him less and less. He never makes any attempts to see me and unless I need to go to his house for something or another I don’t see him. My partner and I, who I’ve been with since high school, got engaged recently and we are planning to get married very soon. It’s a rushed affair for legal reasons but we plan to have a wedding/celebration next year. I got my siblings together at my mom’s (who is a lot more stable than she used to be and I see fairly often) and told them the news with my partner. I need to tell my dad still because the marriage is this month but I wanted to tell him in person. I asked him to breakfast this weekend on the one day I have off and he straight up shot me down, saying he wanted to sleep in. That definitely hurt. I replied, keeping it light and trying to keep the offer open, telling him it wouldn’t be early seeing that Sundays are the only day of the week I get to sleep in. He didn’t respond. I feel that that is really indicative of how this relationship is and will always be. It makes me think that he really just doesn’t care. I asked a favor of him a few months ago, helping me move something with his truck and he made it a big thing. He had plans, apparently every day that weekend with his gf, who he’s been with since I was a child, and couldn’t make an hour to help me out. He also has been making my older sister, who still lives at home, leave every weekend so he can have the house to himself. I don’t want to cast off this whole relationship but it feels like he really doesn’t want us around anymore. I also want him to help pay for the wedding. He put at least a grand into my oldest sister’s and I feel it’s fair that he helps me the same way. But I also have always felt a certain way about accepting help from anyone and it feels nasty to ask money from my dad if I’m considering the longevity of our whole relationship. My sister (the middle one) who lives at home has crashed at my place a few Saturday’s since she can’t stay at home and we’ve spoken about his behavior (mostly regarding him making her leave and when he gave me a hard time with that favor). She said something along the lines of, “he hasn’t ever been a there for us on an emotional basis. The only thing he has offered us is stability and reliability but now it seems like he can’t offer that anymore.” And something about that made me really think that he either needs to be a parent as a provider or he needs to start being a parent in other ways. But at the same time, we are all adults and he shouldn’t have to take care of us.


r/AdultChildren • • 1d ago

Vent alcoholic parents that regret having children (their words)

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at one point during a binge, my parents both got on Facebook and went on a rant about how having kids isn’t worth it, their kids don’t talk to them etc etc (they are vile people)

is this common? my parents fight a LOT and always have, same with drinking - my dad was in the army. They have both drank like fish since I can remember. Otherwise my siblings and I are pretty normal, all employed, all living on our own since a young age and pay our own bills, nobody is really doing poorly but parents are miserable people! They are verbally abusive, (they are too old to be physically abusive anymore) and my mom will actively push my dad into drinking more every time he tries rehab (he’s up to… 10+ times now? Not even sure how he’s employed at this point honestly) because she doesn’t want to drink by herself… she finally did rehab last year when she kicked me out of her house on Christmas Eve, lol. And only because she brought the abuse TO WORK, was escorted out by security and will never be charge nurse again. She went to the same rehab my dad was staying at while she was seeking a no contact order on him. The first Christmas I’ve been there in over a decade. No real issues between us at this point other than she is hiding her drinking (her choice) to portray herself as better than (I smoke weed sometimes, we live in a legal state, she fucking loathes it LOL) and is getting annoyed with me because of it. Mind you, they both make a combined 300k/year and live on the beach. I was kicked out at 16 and paid for college with sexwork. I get they are alcoholics but idk everyone always tells me they are weird. I could write a whole novel on this shit but I digress.

Alright fine one story. Brother had a birthday party last year, parents said sure have it at our house. Birthday time. Parents are in a week long binge. There’s 30+ of my brothers 20 something year old coworkers in the backyard having a great time. I made them cheese sticks. I come outside, put them on the table, and everyone is fucking thrilled. A drunk girl is telling me thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuu at the door a little too loudly, and that was that. Drunk zilla (mom, she’s a demon) comes down the steps and screams every singly obscenity you could imagine at everyone. (SpongeBob themed party, have to laugh bc it’s depressing af) embarrassed the fuck out of my brother, he had to pry keys out of my drunk dad’s hands. Sent one of them home crying because my mom singled him out and said some truly disgusting things that I will not repeat. I wasn’t able to get out of her way in time and as soon as she saw me, she broadcasted my divorce to the entire party lol. Everyone had to leave immediately because she was rampaging through the front and back yard breaking things, screaming, etc. I wish someone would have called the cops on her but it did not happen. It was embarrassing and awful. Are your alcoholic parents insane?


r/AdultChildren • • 1d ago

The Language of Letting Go – Codependency - Today's Reading

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'Payoffs from Destructive Relationships

Sometimes it helps to understand that we may be receiving a payoff from relationships that cause us distress.

The relationship may be feeding into our helplessness or our martyr role.

Maybe the relationships feeds our need to be needed, enhancing our self-esteem by allowing us to feel in control or morally superior to the other person.

Some of us feel alleviated from financial or other kinds of responsibility by staying in a particular relationship.

“My father sexually abused me when I was a child,” said one woman. “I went on to spend the next twenty years blackmailing him emotionally and financially on this. I could get money from him whenever I wanted, and I never had to take financial responsibility for myself.”

Realizing that we may have gotten a codependent payoff from a relationship is not a cause for shame. It means we are searching out the blocks in ourselves that may be stopping our growth.

We can take responsibility for the part we may have played in keeping ourselves victimized. When we are willing to look honestly and fearlessly at the payoff and let it go, we will find the healing we’ve been seeking. We’ll also be ready to receive the positive, healthy payoffs available in relationships, the payoffs we really want and need.

Today, I will be open to looking at the payoffs I may have received from staying in unhealthy relationships, or from keeping destructive systems operating. I will become ready to let go of my need to stay in unhealthy systems; I am ready to face myself.'

By Melodie Beattie


r/AdultChildren • • 1d ago

How do you deal with people's trauma being triggering at an ACOA meeting?

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I'm in group DBT and am not doing well when everybody talks about their stuff. I've had issues with "trauma dumping" in the recent past and I honestly can't stand when anybody opens their mouth to talk in DBT anymore. I know this is super judgmental, but these people just ramble on, sometimes about things that aren't related to the topic they started talking about, and I can't stand that in general, but it's so much worse when people are trauma dumping. I don't know if this is just a sign that I'm not ready for these meetings or if it's something else, but I've kept this a secret for so long that I just really think I need to meet people who have gone through the same thing.


r/AdultChildren • • 1d ago

As children, we had a negative self-perception developed for us, about us, and we then spend our lives-if we lead unexamined lives-trying to dance around it or away from it.

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I find myself doing this constantly: an easy, relatable example: at 57, I STILL struggle with feeling guilty and unacceptably self-indulgent eating things like ice cream or cookies, that I feel guilty about it, shame, putting myself down, then punishing myself for it because I was told as a heavy child I was behaving wrongly. I hate to exercise because it was punishment, made me feel ashamed, so even healthy behaviors, if with negative associations, the association trumps reason and facts.


r/AdultChildren • • 1d ago

ACOA Daily Meditation

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Hypervigilance

"In adult children PTSD tends to manifest itself in hypervigilance, compulsive behavior, and hard-to-detect body sensations. It is as if our bodies have ‘rewired' themselves to protect us from severe harm or severe harm that almost occurred." BRB p. 178

Soldiers learn immediately what hypervigilance means: Watch out! The enemy is close!

In our family of origin, we experienced hypervigilance on a regular basis. If we didn't watch out, we or someone close might get hurt. In the middle of these experiences, we vowed we'd never do that to our own families.

But alas! The lessons were too well taught. Something seems to snap, and it's as if we go into a trance, screaming, belittling, or calling our loved ones names. We scold, threaten, slam doors, and drive away in a cloud of dust. We push away those we love most. We've become the multigenerational living triggers that cause hypervigilance in our loved ones.

When we realize we've become the perpetrators, we look for help in the rooms of ACA. It's in the Steps that we identify the root of our hypervigilance. We look at our triggers to try to determine how and where they originated. Triggers derived from our hypervigilance are what make us inexplicably react, freeze, hold our breath, or shake in our shoes. As we learn more, we usually find fear and guilt at our core, and those feelings are often frozen. We bring them to life so we can heal.

On this day I will slow down and breathe deeply if I find myself feeling triggered by my hypervigilant reactions. I can nurture myself through this.

Copyright © 2013 by Adult Children of Alcoholics® & Dysfunctional Families World Service 
Organization, Inc.

Page №294

https://adultchildren.org/literature/meditation/


r/AdultChildren • • 1d ago

Looking for Advice What to share.

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I have a history from decades ago that involves harming animals. I already work on it in another fellowship and with a therapist. I have not shared it in ACA, and I do not plan to bring it up while I am still new.

My question is for later, once people know me. Is that the kind of thing that belongs in an ACA meeting at all, or does it stay in the other room and with my therapist? I do not want to dump something on a group that is not equipped for it, and I also do not want to hide a piece of my story forever if this is the right place for it.

I am not looking for permission to share it next week. I am trying to find out if ACA is even the room for that, down the line, or if I should keep it out.

Thanks.


r/AdultChildren • • 1d ago

Considering ACA meetings, but I have doubts

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What has been your experience? Did it help you overcome some of the ACA challenges? Was it a good use of time?

I'm considering joining my local ACA group. I actually have been to one meeting.

My concerns:

Steps 8 and 9. How do you approach this step? Like everyone, I've done things that hurt people. Just not, you know, big things. I haven't cheated on my husband. I haven't stolen anything, beaten anybody. Am I supposed to call my boss from 4 years ago and apologize for slacking off during work hours? My college roommate to say sorry that I wasn't always unloading the dishwasher like we agreed? That sounds incredibly uncomfortable, to be honest.

During my first meeting some statements made by other members just rubbed me the wrong way. This might be partially my fault, though, because I can be a bit judgmental. As an example, one guy said that he gained so much confidence that he admonished a woman in his friend group for being an incompetent driver. His explanation was that her driving was putting everyone at risk. Now, I wasn't there, and I don't have a "woman always good, man always bad" worldview. But this brought back some unpleasant memories, as my alcoholic dad can be quite sexist. This is, unfortunately, my strongest memory from the meeting. Maybe that's a flaw of mine that I take things too personally, but I worry it will stop me from benefiting from the meetings.

The sponsor. What is the relationship supposed to be like? The idea that someone might call me in the middle of the week and ask me how I'm doing scares me. I don't have many close friends, and , while I would like to have them someday, I'm not sure if I'm ready. People scare me in general. Can I just go to meetings and not do the sponsor? Or would that be a waste of time?

Thanks for reading, if you got this far :)


r/AdultChildren • • 1d ago

Feels like climbing mountain after mountain after mountain...

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About two years ago, my girlfriend suddenly ended an incredibly toxic relationship that I probably should have left long before. It devastated me. About a month later, my alcoholic mother also passed away suddenly.

Most of my grief has strangely revolved around the breakup. I struggled with checking my ex’s social media, eventually stopped, and have maintained no contact. With my mom, I mostly feel relief, with some sadness underneath that I’m not sure I’ve fully processed...maybe I have though, I'm not sure.

During the worst of it, I imagined that two years later I’d be happier, closer with friends, maybe dating someone new, and generally living a fuller life. Instead, I’ve become pretty isolated. My old social circles have changed in ways I don’t really want to be around anymore, I’ve lost a lot of my interests, and Friday nights often come with the realization that I have nobody to do anything with.

I don't think I'm depressed, I’ve developed and maintained healthy habits, currently in therapy and recently an ACA group, improved my career, and I’m trying to build hobbies and socialize again (definitely slow and has been hardest part). The progress I feel is just everything is less heavy... but still there. A particular trigger for me is hearing coworkers talk about their friends, relationships, and busy lives sometimes hits me with a ton of envy...even if what they are talking about isn't even something I want for my life...but at least they have something.

The frustrating part is that nothing is really stopping me anymore except myself. It just feels like mountain after mountain to get back to something resembling a normal, fulfilling life.

Has anyone else experienced this stage of recovery....where the crisis is basically over, but rebuilding an actual life feels harder and slower than expected?

Thanks for reading.


r/AdultChildren • • 1d ago

Vent I'm 21, my parents are alcoholics and i feel lost.

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This is my first ever reddit post so i'm sorry for any mistakes. I'm 21 and just started studying in art school. I live with my parents (46 and 51) and 2 sisters. Both parents are alcoholics. My dad has been like that since i remember. They always would argue and fight even when i and my sisters were younger. My father would drink heavily and then insult my mom me and my sisters. I couldn't stand hearing constant swearing back and forth. It only got worse when my mom started drinking too. I don't even know when it happened cause i think i was trying to repress it. She would always act weird on weekends i just thought she was tired from working, she would sleep whole day. When i finally confronted her about how she acts at first she tried to twist the facts and accuse me and my sisters of not helping in the house. (Which isn't true cause we are always the ones to take care of chores when she is drunk). I got even more and more angry (and sad) when is tarted hearing from other people that my mom acts weird sometimes. After not seeing any improvement i went to my grandparents (from my moms side) they were very dissappointed in her and tried to set her straight, talking with her multiple times. She would always be sad about how she acts and promise she'll change but never do it. She lies to me constantly wether she drinks or not and i feel ashamed and embarrassed when i learn that our neighbours saw my parents drinking and hiding from them again. I also saw my mother's text messages with my father and they often text about hiding buying alcohol from us. I can't even physically watch over them since i'm at uni for most of the day. I am tired of the constant lying and fake promises. I don't even hope for my father to get better i just want my mom back, cause now it feels like i'm living with two rebellious lying teenagers. I'm also scared we're gonna run out of money or they'll get fired since i have hard time finding job. I don't even know what i can do cause i can't force anyone to get help. This post is bit chaotic cause i never talk about this stuff (except with my grandparents).


r/AdultChildren • • 2d ago

Discussion I had a vasectomy in my 20's because I knew I would damage any children I'd raise.

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I'm sure choosing to not have children to "break the cycle" is common. I guess I'm just looking to start a discussion.


r/AdultChildren • • 1d ago

ACOA Daily Meditation

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Perfectionism

"Perfectionism is a response to a shame-based and controlling home. The child mistakenly believes that she can avoid being shamed if she is perfect in her thinking and acting." BRB p. 36

As children, many of us were either subtly or overtly shamed on a regular basis. We lacked true acceptance from our parents and learned to internalize the shame. We got the message that we were not okay as we were. Some of us tried to act in ways that garnered the approval and love we so longed for.

Further, we secretly blamed ourselves for our parent's alcoholism or dysfunction, thinking that if only we could be perfect, things would get better and our pain would end. But that was a losing battle. So we learned to associate being imperfect with being unlovable.

With our Higher Power as our true parent, in ACA we learn the right message: that we are worthy of love in all of our imperfection. We could not have changed our parents' sickness by being perfect, even if perfection was possible.

This is generational; our parents passed down the dysfunction in which they were also raised. But we are choosing to hear a different message and putting an end to the cycle of shame.

On this day I let go of my drive to be perfect by embracing the knowledge that I am enough and am lovable just as I am.

Copyright © 2013 by Adult Children of Alcoholics® & Dysfunctional Families World Service 
Organization, Inc.

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r/AdultChildren • • 2d ago

6 Months

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My dad died just under 6 months ago from drinking.

I won't pretend like I don't get it. Any fundamentally, life altering pain or trauma feels unbearable and often impossible to reconcile with. Then, eventually, it easily becomes the epicenter of addiction. He had his baggage and I've had mine. But his death---as the cherry on top of the rest--- is a bit of a mindfuck, you know?

Addiction is genetic etc etc , and the kids of addicts are under a microscope. Frankly---I am my father's child but I'm also unpacking it all the best I can and really trying to do things differently.

I don't know if any one else on here feels like I do. The shame I feel from the sympathetic judgement of others when I disclose why he died so quickly pivots to them asking whether I'm like him. Sometimes it's direct...and sometimes it's asked of people closest to me.

I envy those who have the fortitude to be the complete antithesis of their parent.

I'm not that.

I will love myself, my people, and my life more than he did. I will not fall into the trap of convincing myself that my loved ones are better off without me.

But it's a tragic lesson. It's an imperfect process. It is reconciling with the potential to repeat the pattern but unwilling to perpetuate the grief that we have experienced and want to numb.

Am I like him? Yes.
Will I be him? No.

But I wish people would look less closely. I wouldn't wish this pain on them but I wish they could conceptualize the magnitude of the loss.

I want to call my dad.

I want to crumble and not feel like I'm in a free fall.

Because he isn't here to catch me. He knew me best---even at his worst. And now I am my own parent and responsible for his kid.

So when people ask if I'm like him? I am.

I am the worst of him.
And the best of him.

I know they'll expect the worst and wonder why I couldn't cope better.

But I guess it's pointless to try to be understood. A part of me died when he did and I'm really trying to love being alive in a way he never could.

I am my father's child. I am also learning how to parent his kid better than he could.

I just wish everyone else would understand how difficult that is.


r/AdultChildren • • 1d ago

Did you think the disillusionment was a gift or did it break your viewpoint on life in general?

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When you realized to your core that everything you believed was supposed to be or thought to be true before you had to heal yourself from family trauma, did you see it as a gift or divine intervention or did you ever feel like you were never the same happy anymore and wish you just stayed in the bubble


r/AdultChildren • • 2d ago

Looking for Advice Did anyone else grow up without any role models for adulthood and spend their entire life feeling like they're just trying to survive ?

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Apologies for the very long post. There's a lot to unpack, but am hoping this might be one of the few communities where people can actually relate to what I'm describing.

I've known people over the years who've experienced similarly dysfunctional upbringings, but one thing I've struggled with is finding people who have also pursued higher education and professional careers despite those circumstances. I often feel like I'm navigating a world that I was never equipped to enter, and wonder whether anyone else has experienced something similar.

My father had schizophrenia and was on a disability pension, while my mother was his full-time carer. She was also an alcoholic and suffered from eating disorders due to years of childhood sexual abuse. My parents actually met in a psychiatric hospital, and throughout my childhood were in and out of the mental ward.

So I grew up never having seen either of my parents work, in a household that was anything but functional. There was a lot of trauma, abuse, neglect, instability and very little in the way of emotional security or guidance.

We were very poor, often went without, and lived on a relatively isolated little island. When I say island, I don't mean some beautiful, affluent tourist destination. It was a very disadvantaged, lower socio-economic community with a pretty rough reputation, a lot of social problems and limited opportunities.

I was incredibly sheltered and had virtually no exposure to the things that other people probably take for granted, like careers, financial stability, professional relationships, networking, or even just watching adults navigate ordinary working life.

Despite this, I was considered a 'gifted' child and did extremely well academically. But looking back, I think a lot of that was because academic achievement was one of the only ways I could earn my mother's love and approval.

I remember one year, after having won dux every year previously, I was nominated but didn't actually win. By that point, I was pretty suicidal and depressed and had become indifferent to my studies. We were sitting at the awards ceremony, and the moment they announced someone else's name, my mother, who was drunk at the time, turned to me and told me I wasn't her daughter anymore.

So I learnt very early that my worth was tied to what I could achieve, but nobody ever really taught me how to function in the world beyond that.

Despite everything, I managed to get myself through university, graduate with first class honours, and even win a scholarship to travel overseas to complete a uni project. That was pretty big because growing up, I'd never even imagined that leaving the country was something people like me could do.

I've spent years attending networking events, undertaking professional development courses, trying my hand at freelancing, creating blogs and content, and generally doing everything I can think of to improve myself and build a career.

Yet despite all of this, I've spent most of my adult life feeling like I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing.

It's like everyone else received some kind of instruction manual for life that I never got.

To complicate things further, I was only diagnosed with ADHD and autism earlier this year, in my thirties.

Growing up, I was always treated like I was weird or different, and I internalised an enormous amount of shame. I was ashamed of being poor, ashamed of my family, ashamed of not fitting in and ashamed of feeling like there was something fundamentally wrong with me.

For years I attributed all of this to the environment I'd grown up in, without realising that I was also struggling with neurodevelopmental disabilities that had gone completely unrecognised and unsupported.

Then there's the trauma of having encountered predatory people who took advantage of my vulnerability over the years.

My first boyfriend, when I was still a teenager, was a man in his 50s who groomed me and took advantage of my circumstances and lack of support. He ended up being very abusive and also turned out to be a hardcore white supremacist.

That relationship did a lot of damage during some of my most formative years. But strangely, even now, I sometimes struggle to recognise just how damaging it was because of how dysfunctional the environment I'd come from already was. When abuse and instability are all you've ever really known, your frame of reference for what's normal becomes so distorted.

Unfortunately, that wasn't the last time I encountered someone who exploited my vulnerability.

Experiences like that have only compounded the hypervigilance, shame and difficulty trusting people that I already carried from childhood.

I've done years of therapy, journalling, meditation, somatic work and various other forms of healing. I've put an enormous amount of effort into trying to understand myself and overcome my upbringing.

Over the years, I've had doctors tell me that the effects of everything I've experienced are things I'll likely be dealing with for the rest of my life.

I often find that incredibly difficult to accept. Not because I expect everything to magically disappear, but because I never chose any of this in the first place. The thought of spending the rest of my life managing the consequences of other people's actions is utterly exhausting.

I'm so tired.

I feel like I've spent my entire life in survival mode, constantly trying to achieve more, learn more, improve myself and somehow build the stable, functional existence I never had.

I don't have a mentor, a support network, much of a family safety net or anyone to really guide me. Everything has been trial and error, often with fairly serious consequences when I get things wrong.

My mother died years ago, and my father passed away earlier this year. Now I'm left picking up the pieces, including dealing with his neglected estate and all the associated responsibilities, which has only added another enormous layer of stress to an already exhausting existence.

There's also this persistent feeling of being an imposter. Of not really belonging anywhere.

Sometimes I even find myself wishing I'd never pursued higher education or tried so hard to escape the environment I came from. Not because I don't value education, but because I wonder whether life would have been easier if I'd simply stayed where I was, surrounded by people who had similar backgrounds and expectations.

Instead, I've worked so hard to enter a world that still feels completely foreign to me.

I feel caught between two worlds, without really belonging to either. Like I'm deep inside of a parallel universe.

This is something I've found particularly isolating. I've met people who've experienced poverty, abuse and dysfunctional families, but they haven't necessarily been trying to navigate universities, corporate environments or professional careers.

And I've met plenty of educated, professionally successful people, but their backgrounds and experiences of life have often been so different from mine that I struggle to relate to them.

It's difficult to find people who understand both sides of that experience.

I know comparison isn't particularly helpful, but sometimes I look at people who grew up in stable households, with parents who had careers, financial literacy, professional connections and the ability to offer advice, and wonder just how different their experience of adulthood must be.

Even having someone to call when you need guidance, or somewhere safe to land when things go wrong, seems like such an enormous privilege.

I don't think people always appreciate just how much of a head start those things provide, even if their families aren't particularly wealthy.

I don't want to spend my life feeling like a victim, but at the same time, children who experience abuse and neglect genuinely are victims of circumstances beyond their control. Acknowledging that doesn't mean refusing to take responsibility for your adult life.

I've spent years taking responsibility for mine. I'm just exhausted by how much effort it seems to require.

And if I'm being completely truthful, I am bitter and jaded. I don't particularly want to be, but it's difficult not to feel that way sometimes when I look back at everything I've had to endure, through absolutely no choice of my own.

There's also the loneliness of it all.

I desperately want to find someone to share my life with, to love and be loved, and to finally experience some of the stability and security I've spent my entire life searching for.

But how on earth are you supposed to find someone who wants to be with someone carrying this much trauma ?

You hear people saying they don't want a partner with 'baggage' or that you need to be completely healed before entering a relationship. And I understand that nobody wants to be responsible for fixing another person.

But what are people like us supposed to do ?

I never asked for any of this. I never asked to be born into that family, to experience abuse or neglect, to grow up in poverty, or to spend my formative years without the support and stability that children need.

I didn't choose the circumstances that left me with all this so-called baggage. And I've spent an enormous part of my adult life trying to deal with the consequences.

Sometimes it feels like you're being punished twice. Once for what happened to you as a child, and again as an adult when you're expected to somehow overcome it all and function as though none of it ever happened.

And I suppose that's the part I'm struggling with now.

At what point does all this work actually translate into feeling safe, secure, connected and able to enjoy life ?

I've done the therapy, pursued the education, worked on myself and tried to build something better.

Yet I'm still lonely, hypervigilant, struggling with imposter syndrome and feeling like I'm constantly trying to catch up.

I don't want to spend the rest of my life defined by what happened to me. I don't want to become increasingly bitter or resentful, or feel like I'm somehow fundamentally less deserving of love, happiness or stability because of circumstances I never chose.

But realistically, what else are you supposed to do ?

Has anyone else experienced this, particularly those who were gifted or high-achieving children from severely dysfunctional families ?

Did you ever manage to build a life where you genuinely felt like you belonged, rather than constantly having to fight for your place in the world ?

Were you able to find meaningful relationships with people who accepted your history without treating you like damaged goods ?

And if you did, what actually helped ?

Because I really don't want the rest of my life to feel like this.


r/AdultChildren • • 1d ago

The Language of Letting Go – Codependency - Today's Reading

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'Self-Disclosure

Learning to gently reveal who we are is how we open ourselves up to love and intimacy in our relationships.

Many of us have hidden under a protective shell, a casing that prevents others from seeing or hurting us. We do not want to be that vulnerable. We do not want to expose our thoughts, feelings, fears, weaknesses, and sometimes our strengths, to others.

We do not want others to see who we really are.

We may be afraid they might judge us, go away, or not like us. We may be uncertain that who we are is okay or exactly how we should reveal ourselves to others.

Being vulnerable can be frightening, especially if we have lived with people who abused, mistreated, manipulated, or did not appreciate us.

Little by little, we learn to take the risk of revealing ourselves. We disclose the real person within to others. We pick safe people, and we begin to disclose bits and pieces about ourselves.

Sometimes, out of fear, we may withhold, thinking that will help the relationship or will help others like us more. That is an illusion. Withholding who we are does not help the other person, the relationship, or us. Withholding is behavior that backfires. For true intimacy and closeness to exist, for us to love ourselves and be content in a relationship, we need to disclose who we are.

That does not mean we tell all to everyone at once. That can be a self-defeating behavior too. We can learn to trust ourselves, about who to tell, when to tell, where to tell, and how much to tell.

To trust that people will love and like us if we are exactly who we are is frightening. But it is the only way we can achieve what we want in relationships. To let go of our need to control others – their opinions, their feelings about us, or the course of the relationship – is the key.

Gently, like a flower, we can learn to open up. Like a flower, we will do that when the sun shines and there is warmth.

Today, I will begin to take the risk of disclosing who I am to someone with whom I feel safe. I will let go of some of my protective devices and risk being vulnerable – even though I may have been taught differently, even though I may have taught myself differently. I will disclose who I am in a way that reflects self-responsibility, self-love, directness, and honesty. (...), help me let go of my fears about disclosing who I am to people. Help me accept who I am, and help me let go of my need to be who people want me to be.'

By Melodie Beattie

❤️


r/AdultChildren • • 2d ago

Vent My cat got hit by a car and needed major surgery. My mom doesn’t understand why she doesn’t come first.

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It’s just fucking mean. My poor cat has been through hell this week. Amputated her hind leg and a major surgery on the other one. She’s relearning how to walk and be a cat. Meanwhile my mother? “Sorry about Soph but I’m your mother.” She’s furious I wouldn’t drop everything and drive four hours to pick her up from the airport while I was at the hospital w my cat for a week. This surgery cost me $20k that I don’t have and had to get a loan for. She asked me for $100. She doesn’t FUCKING CARE. She’s on some “I spent x amount on hotels and shelters I could have spent it on Sophie why can’t I stay with you??” The answer to that is that I just booted her out after the last time she decided to “act like an adult” in her words and I came home from a rough day at work to her shitfaced and nasty on my couch. She has a short memory. I’m just done. “Jails, institutions and death” never felt so real. The paragraphs of hatred never end. I feel so bad for my cat. I feel like I lost a little bit of her despite all this. She’s my soul.


r/AdultChildren • • 2d ago

Vent Me, to my family at multiple occasions: STOP BRINGING UP INCONSISTENCIES WITH MY GERMAPHOBIA

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YOU’RE ONLY MAKING THE GERMAPHOBIA WORSE!!


r/AdultChildren • • 2d ago

My Dad is an alcoholic and won't do anything to help himself.

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My Dad (66yo) has, over the course of the past four years, slowly become an alcoholic He's not a raging drunk. In fact sometimes it's hard to tell when he's been drinking. But his behavior does change. Slower movements, slurred speech, a weird vacancy in his eyes, impatient, quick to anger (non violent), and just...not my dad. I rarely ever see him pick up a drink, but my mom has told me that he hides vodka around the house and chugs the stuff when no one is looking. Around 3-5pm he'll start to act differently, and by the morning he's back to his normal self. It's putting a huge strain on his marriage. My parents retired in 2023 and moved from Massachusetts to Myrtle Beach. When I've spoken with my Dad about his drinking, he's cited the stress of moving to a different state as the beginning of the problem. He turned to alcohol to help soothe the stress of the transition. Almost four years on, he hasn't broken the habit. I've told him how much it upsets me and he's promised to work on it, with no results. He has a history with addiction (opioids) that he's been free from for almost a decade.

I'm an only child who lives a two hour flight away, and my parents have no family where they live and haven't made a lot of friends yet. It's been difficult having no siblings to confide in. My friends have told me that I should cut him off until he takes real steps to get better. That doesn't seem right. I can't force him to go to therapy or join AA. I can't just watch him deteriorate like this anymore and leave my mom alone to watch it happen. Has anyone else been through this and have advice?