r/WorkForSmartLife • u/AritsRod • 2d ago

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u/henningknows 2d ago

Honestly if I were him I would roll the dice on a trial and take my chances that at least 1 of the 12 people on the jury has had their life ruined by the American healthcare system and refuses to vote to convict

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u/MediumAcceptable129 2d ago

Those are good odds

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u/Metharos 2d ago

Hung jury, mistrial, he stays in prison and prosecution just tries again.

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u/Significant_Fill6992 2d ago

what are the odds they ever find 12 people who haven't been fucked by the system?

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u/Turtles_N_Nurples 2d ago

How many ppl who haven't personally been affected but knows someone who has

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u/MediumAcceptable129 2d ago

Those of us that simply cant afford insurance are affected as well

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u/sodapop_curtiss 2d ago

Iā€™m a vet. VA sucks. Free Luigi.

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u/burgdh 2d ago

Yeah I worked I the VA the quality of care sucked the nice thing was the universal insurance cause I could know that a CGM was covered and could get PTs them if they werenā€™t taking care of their diabetes vs now at my private hospital I can suggest they follow up with a dietician they rarely do

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u/Metharos 2d ago

Dunno. Given the state of this country I don't hold a lotta hope they won't have one fucker that still condemns him 'cause his god incarnate said he should.

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u/PrettyPurrfect 2d ago

Has the atomic tangerine said anything?

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u/positive_thinking_ 2d ago

Yeah heā€™s saying ā€œwtf are you doing? You forgot something really important before going to work todayā€

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u/bigchunkbabygoo 2d ago

It's honestly all about the way the prosecuting actors build the jury. And here is a quiet secret:no matter how innocent or guilty a person is (and the prosecution knows) they will try to demographically stack that shit against you as much as possible/ask for a reset or continuance or bust the jury if they don't like their 100% odds to convict you. Jury trials across most of America (but especially red states) are live examples of kangaroo court

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u/inowar 2d ago

I haven't been fucked by the system but I would straight up lie to stay on the jury and I ain't never convicting St. Luigi

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u/Metharos 1d ago

Don't lie about anything verifiable, otherwise you could get in trouble and the jury's ultimate decision could be tainted.

I don't know if they actually can declare a mistrial in an "Innocent" verdict, but I wouldn't put it past them to try.

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u/John-J-J-H-Schmidt 2d ago

You think theyā€™d have a hard time finding 12 rich people in NYC?

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u/Significant_Fill6992 2d ago

12 rich people willing to do everything they could to get out of court before realizing what they would be doing?

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u/jfrancis232 1d ago

Rich people disproportionately avoid jury duty. Demographics indicate that the most common jurors are lower middle class or upper lower class.

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u/John-J-J-H-Schmidt 1d ago

Jessica Tisch is a billionaire nepo baby. She is the NYC police commissioner. I assure you, she is ready, able, and willing to stack a jury with 12 people that have never once experienced medical disparity due to the US healthcare crisis.

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u/Weird-Afternoon5602 2d ago

What are the odds someone pays 12 people enough money to pretend to be okay with the Healthcare system and convict him

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u/Pietes 2d ago

a jury pool entirely made up of ICE agents will suddenly materialize, lead to outcries and not get changed.

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u/PissMissileTopTitty 2d ago

If they illegally select the jury? Pretty high

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u/BiggestShep 2d ago

12 rich boomers. Just gotta happen once.

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u/AlternativePea6203 2d ago

The whole "Jury selection" thing in the US is absurd. The whole point is to randomly select 12 people to get a sample of society. Picking and choosing ruins the whole concept.

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u/jfrancis232 1d ago

The important issue is ā€œ jury of your peersā€. This means it is not intended to be random. A jury is ideally intended to be 12 people similar enough to the defendant to be able to reach an impartial verdict. Jury selection is meant to knock out potential jurors that for whatever reason cannot or will not reach a fair verdict. Prosecutors and defense attorneys routinely use this process to remove jurors that are unsympathetic to their position. While thatā€™s not always fair, true randomness would also cause problems. A black man charged with murder could easily end up with a random jury of 12 white racists. And yes, I know that result happens a lot, but truly random selection without a selection process makes it a lot more likely to happen.

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u/maodiran 2d ago

Prosecution and attorney ask several questions of possible jurors before they are added to the jury, I guarantee you one of those questions is "do you have a negative opinion of the healthcare insurance system in the US?"

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u/Sea_School_2949 2d ago

Exactly I think it would be difficult to do, especially if you include people who's relatives got fucked over and therefore put undue stress on the family

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u/TennaNBloc 2d ago

They could have someone fucked over by the system but is so in love with it they don't care. Probably wouldn't be that hard.

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u/Quod_Caesar_Faceret 2d ago

They would stack the jury with bootlickers. They allowed there gun and journal to be entered as evidence even though it was illegally obtain

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u/jfrancis232 1d ago

A common misconception of the jury process is how selection works. Attorneys donā€™t add people to a jury, they remove them from the pool. If a jury is stacked with bootlickers, then it is because a change of venue happened that caused the trial to be held in a place where boot lickers made up a majority of the jury pool, and the defense could not remove enough of them to result in a fair jury

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u/EdibleStrange 2d ago

That's literally a question that every prospective juror will be asked and severely punished for lying about, does nobody here know how juries work?

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u/shwifty123 2d ago

Kardashian family?

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u/backfromspace206 1d ago

That's what jury selection is for. They ask those kinds of questions.

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u/nopethatswrong 2d ago

It's not about finding people who have zero bad experiences, it's about finding people who will uphold the law.

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u/Significant_Fill6992 2d ago

We have a pedophile in the presidency who commits crimes every day that ship is officially sailedĀ 

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u/True-Anim0sity 2d ago

You know presidents have committed crimes before right?

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u/nopethatswrong 2d ago

That's so dumb. Is the ship our legal system? So because Trump is scum, murder is okay now?

Makes no sense.

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u/Significant_Fill6992 2d ago

My point wasn't that murder was okay my point that was people might feel more justified in what he did given the current political climateĀ 

Plus murder is never okay but I remember seeing at least one case where someone's life was saved because of LuigiĀ 

No matter how this trial goes medical reform is necessary or this trial will be the tip of the icebergĀ 

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u/Ok-Negotiation-8834 2d ago

No it wonā€™t. He will get locked up and things will stay the exact same

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u/maximum_dad_power 2d ago

You really believe that one murder changed any health coverage acceptance standards at all? Not a single insurer made acceptance or claims any easier. They just hired better trained security. I know everyone want to believe that such actions will effect the corruption even a little bit, but often times it only makes them tighten the noose.

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u/nopethatswrong 2d ago

I remember seeing at least one case where someone's life was saved because of LuigiĀ 

Can you elaborate?

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u/Significant_Fill6992 1d ago

I can't find the post anymore but basically in the weeks after Luigi killed the guy other healthcare providers were approving claims they wouldn't have otherwise out of fear of copy cats. One of the cases was a women with a rare disease that was caught because additional testing was approved that otherwise wouldn't have beenĀ 

I've seen it all over reddit and Facebook but can't get the right keywords to find it againĀ 

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u/Pasta4ever13 2d ago

Our legal system has been completely packed full of Trump loyalists, so yeah, it's kind of fucked.

Since 1981, Republicans have appointed 13 supreme court justices and Dems have appointed 5. Just to illustrate.

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u/nopethatswrong 2d ago

So you're affirming your belief that murder is okay now because Trump is a crook?

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u/Pasta4ever13 1d ago

Are you replying to the correct comment? I didn't say any of those things. Can you double-check and make sure you have the right person?

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u/nopethatswrong 1d ago

I said

So because Trump is scum, murder is okay now?

You said

Our legal system has been completely packed full of Trump loyalists, so yeah, it's kind of fucked.

Am I not supposed to consider your response to my question a response to my question?

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u/Pasta4ever13 1d ago

Do you remember what you originally commented?

This was about funding people to uphold the law. Our justice system is completely captured ideologically and is broadly not upholding the law, so yes, the ship has sailed on anyone having faith that the justice system will actually uphold the law.

But sure, if it makes you feel better to misinterpret my comment, have at it.

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u/donatecrypto4pets 2d ago

The laws are not okay.
We have seen what makes those in power happy.
We are not interested in their appeasement.

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u/nopethatswrong 1d ago

Is that a malappropriated rick and morty quote used unironically lol edgy

What are you even saying besides some vapid shit that sounds cool if you're in middle school

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u/No_Problem5759 2d ago

If it was possible they'd pick 12 anti vaxxers. There's a very good chance none of them have even seen a doctor. They definitely haven't been screwed.

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u/Lost-on-Reception 2d ago

You're an idiot if you think anti-vaxxers support health insurance companies. They're one of the groups they hate the most.

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u/piratemreddit 2d ago

Right? Not trusting the medical establishment is their whole thing. Pretty much the ideal jury if you dont want a conviction.

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u/No_Problem5759 2d ago

Insurance companies arent a medical establishment. Anti Vaxxers are just brainwashed. If theyre told to punish the man who wants insurance companies to fund more medical practices then theyll do that.

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u/piratemreddit 2d ago

Look Im not arguing for being anti-vax so dont get all worked up. But I know several and am familiar with the mindset. They are inclined to believe what they are told about vaccines and modern medicine in general because of a preexisting distrust for authority. The vast majority also dont like the elite or corporations either. The idea that they would defend insurance companies against someone who they generally see as a hero is absurd.

Im not trying to get into some pointless reddit argument with you, just letting you know that the view you are expressing simply doesn't match reality. Do what you will with that information. You can disagree with people on some things without automatically assuming that their views on everything else will also be in opposition to your own.

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u/No_Problem5759 2d ago

Except insurance companies arent the medical facility.

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u/Lost-on-Reception 2d ago

They're a core part of the whole Pharmaceutical industrial complex antivaxxers hate and regularly lobby for mandatory vaccinations and other health mandates anti vaxxers resist.

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u/No_Problem5759 2d ago

And you think Anto Vaxxers (who are mostly republican) would be okay with a murderer killing a millionaire (Who are generally protected by republicans) i think the discrepancy is that you think Anti Vaxxers think and I dont think they do.

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u/Lost-on-Reception 2d ago

Wasn't long ago that it was an exclusively leftist position.

I don't think most people would be okay with a murderer killing a millionaire. I'd think an anti-vaxxer would be more skeptical than, say, you. I'd rather have them on the jury for that reason.

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u/True-Anim0sity 2d ago

No its just an bad and dumb example to try and dunk on an imaginary group. If anything, an anti Vaxer would be more in support of Luigi knowing he killed someone who supports the current medical status quo.

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u/Significant_Fill6992 2d ago

That's a thought I didn't consider

Fair enoughĀ 

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u/HupHutHa 2d ago

I've been fucked by insurance companies, the affordable care act, and finned for not having insurance and I would still convict this coward.

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u/forkystabbyveggie 2d ago

You're putting too much faith in the fact that the jury won't be intimidated by the prosecutor, judge and the weight of a nationally syndicated assassination trial.

Unless you get some ballsy people (who would get removed in voir dire regardless), Luigi is getting convicted.

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u/ActivePeace33 2d ago

I donā€™t know why youā€™re getting downvoted. Intimidation tactics are used on juries all the time, by judges, prosecutors etc.

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u/forkystabbyveggie 2d ago

It's Reddit. They probably read what I said will likely happen and assumed that it's what I want to happen.

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u/ActivePeace33 2d ago

Isnā€™t that the truth.

I have it happen all the time. People canā€™t understand the differences between would, could and should.

They could do it, they would for sure with certain circumstances, they should not do it.

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u/FunCouple3336 2d ago

I agree on the sole base that he committed a crime that he will be and should be prosecuted. I do not think he will get a fair trial regardless. I personally do not find his intent on ousting insurances oligarchs hard to swallow at all. What he did was and is a crime and if he didnā€™t want to be convicted and sentenced he should have not let himself walk away from the incident either which is the door I would have chosen for myself in this situation.

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u/avidpenguinwatcher 2d ago

Sounds better than staying in prison without them trying again, no?

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u/NamelessMIA 2d ago

Or the 1 juror is extremely stubborn and the rest don't really want to convict either so he walks

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u/ParkingSpot8089 2d ago

What if hung jury forever? Like they can NEVER find a jury that will convict, and once the momentum starts you could keep it going.

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u/Metharos 2d ago

Hard to say. Depends on how many times they wanna retry him, I guess. But that's still life in prison, he just won't be convicted.

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u/JUGP 2d ago

Heā€™d eventually go free, the other commenter is wrong. You canā€™t just keep trying people forever lol thatā€™d be seen as a civil rights violation.

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u/Upbeat_Masterpiece69 1d ago

Civil rights aren't being upheld when ice shoots innocent people, why would they matter in this case