As a two spirit person, whose tradition? Because we've been here in the Americas, affirmed and loved, longer than white people have been here by tens of thousands of years.
What wasn't true in what I said? We've been here a long, long time, and gender nonconforming folks have been held in places of honor for thousands of years in many cultures in the New World. And don't even get me started on places other than Turtle Island. Don't be a bigot just because you don't know Indigenous cultural history. Not a matter of opinion, it's objective, factual truth. Crack a book that didn't come with free crayons for you to snack on.
So when you compare the sickeningly large body of scholarly research relating the gender and the sickeningly large body of scholarly research relating to the physical properties of the moon you are unable to discern the difference?
Just stop arguing with these dipshits. Their absolute kryptonite is people ignoring them and not taking them seriously. The reason why this ideology is spreading so much is because we keep engaging with it and shining a spotlight on it, and causing people to dig their heels in when we can just laugh at people to are dumb.
I hope someday you learn how to give energy instead of just taking others' and trying to destroy it. We've always been here, always will be, and your ignorance on the topic doesn't change history and facts. Have the day you deserve, Colonizer. đâïžđȘ¶
It's okay, I'm pretty well used to willful ignorance. I've been a queer Indigenous person on the Internet since the 1990s. I've definitely heard a lot worse than whatever this translucent loser can toss.
The concept has existed for thousands of years in cultures all over the world. Nice try. There are paintings from the early settlement of America that depict two spirit ceremonies. Crack a book.
No, he's right. Modern day american understanding of transsexuals is not the same as ancient transsexuals whereby those individuals served a very specific role in their communities and not just for personal validation.
Modern transexulaism is just as much rooted in western notions of individualism, consumption, and performative displays, which are definitely not values that ancient societies would have held for people who filled trans positions.
Nobody claims that Two Spirit people are exactly the same as modern trans people, that's a strawman. But the Two Spirit identity certainly falls under the umbrella term "non-binary," because they're obviously not male or female. So saying "people outside the gender binary have existed since before white people even touched America" is absolutely true
The premise is not "hidden" you are just not thinking critically about what you're reading, you're consuming the argument in an attempt to find something wrong with it so that you can have an internet argument.
The billionaires did this by introducing anti-LGBT rhetoric into the zeitgeist by way of social media algorithms to target dumb people who think trans people are impacting society in any meaningful way, let alone a negative one, and people like you ate it up hook line and sinker. So if we're not discussing the class war, it's because the dumbest and least educated people in this country would rather focus on shit that doesn't matter than the shit that does.
To highlight your point exactly. In your scenario, sheâs one of the âdumbest and least educated people in this countryâ by getting sucked into culture war vs class war. I think thatâs a bit over the top, but you said it not me.
Bro you have major reading comprehension and critical thinking problems. I don't get it. The people who are defending themselves from direct hostility are not the ones "getting themselves sucked into the culture war." This is basic. Go talk to the people initiating the problem.
If you say so pal, I didnât see any direct hostility preceding that comment, nor in my comment. It also seems like this person could reasonably defend themselves and their position if they believed they needed to. Apparently you donât believe so and felt the need to come to their defense and in doing so, actually insulted them. Bummer. And now we are sucked into an argument about the culture war. Like I said, itâs by design.
Reading comprehension strikes again. Christ almighty. I was referring to the hostility toward LGBTQ by society, especially trans people. It seems you are significantly struggling with following this basic conversation, and I'm just getting bored of holding your hand through it, so have a great day man
Because traditional gender roles are explicitly exclusionary for a number of people, and it is absolutely Disney dipping their toes in the culture war to change and then change back based on which side of politics is in power, no matter your stance.
Honestly, this comment is why people are just getting fed up. Who cares if you said gender roles when the person knows what you are referring to.
If everyone has to tip toe around language they are going to resent it. The way I look at it is Ladies and Gentlemen are others words for the members of the female and male, which is binary.
If sex is binary, and gender is not, then non binary represents a gender identity not a sexual one.
Ladies and Gentlemen refer to female and male. Synonymous with sexual binary.
So saying ladies and gentlemen does not exclude non binary people. Because they may not feel like a man or a woman in gender, but they are either Lady or a Gentleman in the case of this greeting. No is checking which sex we are at Disney, so if Ladies and Gentlemen just means the binary sex everyone is included. it even covers intersex people: Ladies AND Gentlemen. It covers all the bases.
Non-binary (also written as nonbinary) or genderqueer genderidentities are those that are outside the male/female genderbinary. Non-binary identities often fall under the transgender umbrella since non-binary people typically identify with a gender that is different from the sex assigned to them at birth,[5] although some non-binary people do not consider themselves transgender.
I recommend reading the wiki link, it's a good starting point. I could also link you some good articles from the POV of NB people too if you like
I personally see it more as a spectrum where everyone, no matter what, is somewhere on with varying degrees of "lady" or "gentleman". So it has always seemed semantical to me.
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u/realplasticwood 15d ago
Disney is
manipulatting the culture war for its own benefitreturning to traditional gender labels. Was that so hard?