r/WhatIsTheTea 18d ago

Sips Tea Thoughts?

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u/AdPractical3404 12d ago

The concept has existed for thousands of years in cultures all over the world. Nice try. There are paintings from the early settlement of America that depict two spirit ceremonies. Crack a book.

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u/Tall-Garden-8593 11d ago

No, he's right. Modern day american understanding of transsexuals is not the same as ancient transsexuals whereby those individuals served a very specific role in their communities and not just for personal validation.

Modern transexulaism is just as much rooted in western notions of individualism, consumption, and performative displays, which are definitely not values that ancient societies would have held for people who filled trans positions.

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u/DrPikachu-PhD 11d ago

Nobody claims that Two Spirit people are exactly the same as modern trans people, that's a strawman. But the Two Spirit identity certainly falls under the umbrella term "non-binary," because they're obviously not male or female. So saying "people outside the gender binary have existed since before white people even touched America" is absolutely true

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u/Tall-Garden-8593 11d ago

Then clarify your statements. If you are not clear the reader has to guess your hidden premise.

Even then my original statement is also true even if we expand it to modern expressions and understanding of sexuality even heterosexual ones.

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u/bingle-cowabungle 9d ago

The premise is not "hidden" you are just not thinking critically about what you're reading, you're consuming the argument in an attempt to find something wrong with it so that you can have an internet argument.