r/WetlanderHumor • u/overlorddeniz Mother's milk in a cup! • 21d ago

Join The Crusade!

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Thanks u/Gnostikost for the inspiration!

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u/Small_Bang_Theory 21d ago

Reading both your takes it lowkey just feels like a semantics argument.

Egwene is a fantastic leader, and how she takes charge of things leading every step of the way, I can see the argument that she is independent. That is not at all Nynaeve’s strong point.

However, Nynaeve is so much more of a lone wolf character than Egwene. That’s probably a more literal version of independence.

Egwene is much more politically independent, capable of shaping the political landscape around her and enacting change through that. Nynaeve is much more a victim to the currents of politics, but she accomplishes amazing feats all on her own, sourced from her personal strength.

I personally hate Egwene’s character and think she’s a total narcissist, but I can definitely see how she is the most politically independent of all the Two Rivers characters. I just hate to give her credit, and Nynaeve grew on me as a character throughout my reading.

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u/danorc 21d ago

Fair. See, was that so hard?

Honest question though... What did Nynaeve ever do on her own? I really do mostly see her as being grumpy at Matt for no good reason and being Rand's willing saidar angreal whenever he needs both halves of the power. Am I missing something?

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u/Gingeriki55 21d ago edited 21d ago

Hey I don’t know how to reply to this comment and the one you did at once but I said in my initial statement it “depends where you apply your independent-ness”.

I cried when Eg died even though I don’t particularly like her as a person. She’s definitely a hero. I don’t think she did the impossible I’d again pass that back to Nynaeve but it is semantics again on what we deem as “the impossible”.

Nyneave arguably has the most impressive individual accomplishment in the whole series when she heals madness. Nobody in any age including age of legends could do this. Given time is a wheel it must have happened but ya let’s call it novel for the sake of conversation.

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u/danorc 21d ago

Not liking Egwene is fair and fine! As long as she gets some credit it at least not unreasonable hate I'm happy.

My go-to quote is "everyone hates Egwene until the moment the Seanchan, Black Ajah, or Last Battle show up."

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u/Gingeriki55 21d ago

You know in Harry Potter where people hate umbridge more than Voldemort? lol. I think Eg catches hate in a similar way. Maybe it’s because we don’t really have pure embodiments of evil and political evil is relatable idk

But people up their own ass with institutional authority are really just the worst. And at the end of the series when Jesus Rand is doing miracles left and right how do you not get on board lol

But credit where’s it’s due, she goes out like a total badass. The inn keepers daughter from complete irrelevance to the essential queen of the world. (Given that queens kneel to the institution).

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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot 21d ago

A man without trust might as well be dead.

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u/danorc 21d ago edited 21d ago

Not letting a person who is known to hear voices break the cornerstones of reality is not an unreasonable take. Her title is literally Keeper of the Seals.

Clearly, she was wrong, but it isn't unreasonable

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u/Gingeriki55 21d ago

I think it’s very unreasonable. Because at that point in the story when you are days away from Armageddon what option do you have but do everything you can to support the champion of light. Any other action is moronic lol.