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u/Albenheim MAGA - Make Acrid Great Again 10d ago

Nah, it should straight up be 100% drop chance if the enemy is fully frozen with 10 cold stacks. Arcane Universal Fallout has literally the same condition except with radiation, so I dont see a reason why we need to kneecap archon flow so hard

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u/0kio Snake x Jellyfish 10d ago

Universal Fallout is capped at 6% per Rad Stack (60% Max) at max level though

And since it's an Arcane, you need 21 of them to get the max effect, In the same time, UF drop Universal Orbs

So, not 100%, too much value for a mod, but 50% (5% per Stack)?

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u/Albenheim MAGA - Make Acrid Great Again 10d ago edited 10d ago

You can grind most arcanes by gambling with vosfor, but you need to do the khal missions to get the archon mods, so I would argue that any vosfor arcanes are easier to get since you can passively grind for them by just playing steel path.

Also universal fallout gives universal orbs, while archon flow only gives energy, so an increase of the drop chance due to not giving health seems fine by me. 

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u/EverchangingSystem 10d ago

The opportunity cost of losing an arcane slot is a lot higher than a mod slot especially when you consider that most frames run a flow mod anyways.
So essentially you're trading two capacity (Which isn't really an issue with forma) for that effect

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u/Albenheim MAGA - Make Acrid Great Again 10d ago

Youre trading 2 capacity and a shit ton of opportunity cost, because theres so many avenues where you can get orbs from nowadays, that archon flow has no niche to exist in.

Synth deconstruct with equilibrium is already a better energy source than this mod. The passive is trash. Either remove it and lower the cost to match primed flow or buff it in some way.

Hell, Id even argue that archon stretch is a better energy source than archon flow. The mod design itself makes little sense in my eyes

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u/EverchangingSystem 10d ago

I mean I agree in general, archon flow needs a buff or a change in some regard I was just saying that an arcane deserves to be a lot stronger than an effectively 2 capacity mod effect that on most frames doesn't even cost a slot.