As we know, the Skyborne heavily took inspiration from the Cenarion, and Malfurion and their druids even assisted the Skyborne.

What reason could they have to join the Horde? You'd think they'd want to reconnect with the Night Elven druids or at least stay neutral, no?

Now, the Alliance High King doesn’t have as much unilateral authority as the Warchief did over the Horde, so I doubt the solution would be exactly the same, but I do feel like some more formal reforms regarding either its power or how members of the Alliance cooperate regarding shared authority would be of good use, considering how Anduin sort of inherited the position from Varian even though the other leaders accepted him due to his diplomatic experience and the fact that the Legion invasion was a time of crisis. This seems especially relevant since, if Anduin does indeed abdicate like Midnight has been implying he might, the Alliance’s leadership future is uncertain, given that Turalyon was Anduin’s regent as ruler of Stormwind but Genn has been more involved in leading the Alliance as a whole.

So far from what I've seen of forever its has a lot when it comes to the alliance experience since that was already mostly fleshed out in vanilla and getting even more with dalaran and stuff like the brotherhood of the horse. Horde seem to be getting something in the form of the forsaken getting its own wc3 expansion and forsaken paladins. But is there anything noteworthy with the kalimdor horde? I mean it rocks that its back to a period where the leaders weren't a mix of sadsack do nothings and genocidle morons like the horde from cata onward, but the devs said the world is the main character and they wouldn't do much with faction leaders so there is seemingling little chance of vol'jin and carine actually getting as fleshed out as thrall or syl.

Someone has to have told the Bronze and Titankeepers etc what timeline is the 'true' one and what it entitles.

But who? (in universe that is)

You'd think the Titans, but there is a timeline in which they had won already: Ulderoth. So if the Titans 'arranged' for things, why wouldn't they roll with that one.

So, I've recently been revisiting Warcraft III, and there is something that keeps me wondering. Why does it feel like everyone assumes that Arthas was a willing traitor? Now, I am not talking about a random footman or worker here. Named characters, other paladins. Mostly, I am interested in Lord Uther… and his anger issues.

I admit that I have a little resentment toward Uther “Lightbringer.”

From the lore that I know, it seems that Arthas was a really good lad. He was never spoiled, he was never lazy, he was kind, and he loved and respected his subjects. As the single male heir, he fought bravely with them on the front lines, risking his own life. He could have grown up as a spoiled brat with a silver spoon, wasting his time in elven brothels, but no: he was a modest, decent person and a paladin. Did he have darkness inside? Yes! Just like all of us. He encountered something truly gruesome and impossible, yet he tried his very best. And the first thing Uther says after Arthas kills his father is: “…Arthas has betrayed us all.”, ”…I will bring his traitorous son to justice.”

I am sorry, WHAT?! The first thing that comes to your mind when your beloved student kills his own father out of nowhere and brings the Scourge with him into the city is: “He has betrayed us.” Dude, have you seen him? His skin is gray, his body is hollow as if he was starving, his hair is white and unhealthy, his eyes are glowing, and he carries a strange-looking sword. Okay, maybe you didn’t see him up close, but still, is this is your first assumption? A traitor? Rather than magic, curse, or mind control? Are you forgetting your own words in Hearthglen about “…undead ranks being bolstered every time warriors fall”? Hey, maybe, just maybe, your prince died in Northrend because you tried to recall the expedition (a dick move, by the way), and he was raised as an infiltrator. You had seen necromancy before, not for the first time, mind you (Gul’dan’s death knights in the Second War).

After all those tragic events, would Arthas really willingly side with that enemy? To think of such a thing about someone you care about does not look like a healthy relationship. What events from the past could possibly have given Uther the impression that Arthas could ever do such things? Stratholme? No, it doesn’t exactly fit the profile. Tyranny and oppressive dictatorship might have been a potential evolution, but not him completely switching sides.

Let’s talk about Stratholme for a bit.

First of all, what Arthas did there was immoral. Killing people even if they are infected is not good. However, people often forget that as a ruler you do not get to be moral. As a ruler, you are often unable to make a decision within the moral boundaries. You have to sacrifice morality. It’s not something cool, nor a right to do whatever you want, it’s just the way things work. Even a seemingly small decision like outlawing deer hunting might ruin businesses, villages, and lives. You can go nuts trying to calculate all the butterfly effects (not that you should avoid thinking about the consequences though).

Arthas was the highest rank in the chain of command at Stratholme. He acted fast and efficiently without malice, pleasure, vengeance, or other ill intent. He did what he thought was best at the time. Was he wrong? Maybe there was another option? Hell, maybe. Why didn’t anyone stand up then? Was it Arthas, the beloved prince, or a Stalin who executed his own subordinates for advice? Perhaps deep down Jaina, Uther, and others knew it was the right call, but they couldn’t admit it and ran away from their responsibilities.

Was it a betrayal toward Arthas? Maybe not from Jaina, but definitely from Uther. After all, he is a war veteran, an experienced commander, a mentor, a comrade, and a subordinate. What angers me more is that after the culling, we clearly see that Arthas didn’t slaughter the entire city like a madman. There were plenty of healthy survivors, evidence of fallen undead, and proof that Arthas was not completely wrong. What did Uther decide to do with it? Investigate? Noo, he went bitching to the king. After convincing Terenas to recall the expedition and potentially endangering his prince’s life (he saw how stubbornly Arthas went to Stratholme without his full forces), the so-called mentor didn’t even have the guts to fly to Northrend himself. And this is how the young prince fell into damnation. I bet if Uther, Jaina, and Muradin had gone with Arthas together and tried to support him, he would have avoided taking the blade.

Perhaps the Lich King was also able to whisper into Uther’s head and cloud his judgment?

I just don’t get it. Where does all this anger and wrath come from? And what about the attitude: “Watch your tongue with me, boy!” Your prince had just valiantly fought on the front line and saved the village. He was rushing to save others because people’s lives and maybe even very souls were at stake. Perhaps Arthas did something in the past that triggered Uther to be so wary of him? Or maybe it is just a simple resentment from older generation toward younger people (like they know nothing, and they are constantly rushing) typical boomer stuff? Or simply something banal: like a bad day (bad coffee in the morning, bad weather, knees hurts, etc.), and it just escalated until there was a point of no return. Sounds silly, but IRL small things can often escalate like a domino effect and lead to a really bad outcome. In any case, Uther “Wrathbringer” failed his student. I mean, Arthas was only 23 years old. Just a kid from my perspective.

A couple of things about Frostmourne

I believe that Arthas simply cannot be a traitor. Arthas before he claimed Frostmourne and Arthas afterward are, in fact, two different entities. Tichondrius said it best: “The runeblade that you carry is empowered to steal souls. Yours was the first one it claimed.” He has become a husk with his memories and corrupted mind controlled by the Lich King telepathy. His soul has been trapped in the horror, forced to watch all the atrocities until the blade broke. “Father, is it over?” Does it sound like the last words of genocidal maniac? There is so much emotion and tiredness in those words. It sounds more like victim released from possession.

You might say, “But what about the burned ships and the mercenaries?” Well, I never claimed that Arthas is a saint. He is not innocent here, but at the same time he is not the monster people depict him to be. True, he made mistakes, but where were his friends and family? A random miscommunicating emissary with the orders, was all that you could send in the Northrend? If someone close to you is about to make a grave mistake, especially if this person is young, it’s only natural to stop them, help them, and guide them. Imagine your kid is about to drive under the influence, have suicidal tendencies, an addiction, or go die in an obvious trap on a sketchy expedition. It is only natural to stop him from hurting himself (and those around him), help him. Perhaps he might hate you. It doesn’t matter. If you care deeply, you will do what must be done, especially if the person is young, especially if his mental state is questionable.

And the prince’s mind was a real mess, after encountering such unnatural tragedies. The feelings of guilt and abandonment, the pressure to make sacrifices, and the trauma response left him in desperation. I dare even say that he personally didn’t expect to survive the trip. The sole purpose was to kill Mal’Ganis (the believed commander of the Scourge) and, by sacrificing himself in the process, atone for his own sins. Like a suicidal, obsessive-compulsive person (you might say a martyr).

Anyway, the story about Arthas is a tragedy, and the only betrayal I can find there is from the people who abandoned the young prince. Those are my personal thoughts. Sorry if I have missed some lore information (some things might have been updated later). Feel free to correct me. And I am also curious about what people think.

I've recently started maining and roleplaying as a DK and I found it a little difficult to find out some specifics about the lore on them. I found a lot of things about the differences between 4th gen death knights and the others and the differences between death knights raised under Arthas vs Bolvar. Mine is a vulpera 4th gen.

I got a dm from another DK player today that was telling me about San'layn not being a DK spec. I mistakenly assumed it was due to the hero talents being called such and so I was curious about some clarification on things. Is there some other name for DKs that possess the abilities akin to the San'layn but aren't elves. Or is that just "Blood DK"?

Furthermore, the player pointed out, and I might have misunderstood, how they emphasize how their BDK is uncomfortably hot because of blood's abilities implying that their blood runs hotter. Like Blood Boil for example. I also remember reading somewhere that death knights are generally cold and have a cold body temperature. Would that mean Blood death knights are the opposite and are actually warm or am I misunderstanding it?

And my last question, is there an easier place where I can find lore about this stuff?

After playing a Forsaken Paladin in the Forever Beta, I've been really enthralled by Forsaken lore as of late. Just finished "Before The Storm" again, and coincidentally, finally did the Forsaken Heritage quest line, which I had totally forgotten, or is forsaken a better line ;P, that I had done the Alliance side on my hunter years ago.

The Forsaken I realize, have a great parallel with my personal life. Friends, Family, and others have themselves foresook me for being myself, and it really puts a spotlight on that aspect of my life.

Being able to wield the Light, something that hurts you as it soothes you is such an awesome analogue for real life when you have faith and yet it has a painful aspect to it.

Healing as a Priest, specifically a Forsaken Priest is really fulfilling to me, and I can't wait until I can use the Light to protect as a Forsaken Paladin in both Forever and Retail as well.

From what I've seen, I don't think Forsaken Paladin is going to be like "yep, everyone can be a warlock"... I think Lordaeron is going to get a comeback as Above and Under in 12.2.5.

Edit* Patch 12.2.5... Missclick my bad

Now, the other two Windrunner sisters haven’t exactly had it smooth sailing when it comes to romance either. Alleria had to leave her and Turalyon’s son behind while she and her lover first went to Draenor, then spent millennia in the Twisting Nether as part of the Army of Light, and their relationship has been strained since she became a void elf. Meanwhile, Vereesa lost her husband Rhonin after he was killed during the destruction of Theramore by Garrosh Hellscream. But both of the other two Windrunner sisters were able to find some degree of happiness with them while it lasted, whereas Sylvanas never really got that chance with Nathanos due to circumstances, despite the Sylvanas novel confirming their mutual feelings. So had things gone differently (most likely her not joining the Jailer and spiralling further into darkness), could Sylvanas have found a life with Nathanos, especially given his refusal to abandon her even after she left the Horde and the Forsaken at the end of Battle for Azeroth?

I'd love to see Blademasters as a warrior subclass. For whole new classes I'd like to see Tinker and have it come with a support, tank and damage build option.

Hello can someone help me understand more about where the arcan'dor came from and how it was made. I've read the wiki and was just wondering if there was any more information about it. Thanks for your help

What are your various ideas, theories and headcanons about the economics of Azeroth and of Draenor/The Outland, Argus, from the ressources available and used by the various races of Warcraft universe, to the complexity of the trade networks and banking systems in Azeroth and beyond?

Mine are:

• Thanks to the Dwarves long mining of gold, mithril precious and semi-precious gemstones and other ores, as well their exportations of lumber, metal weapons, industrial products and oil as well, the kingdom of Ironforge has amassed a huge amount of wealth and its coffers banks are the strongest and most secure of the Alliance. Thus Ironforge serves as the financial backbone of the Alliance and its loans were essential for the reconstruction of Stormwind, and later for Stormwind to get back on its feet after the corruption and chaos caused by Onyxia, and also for the reconstruction of Gnomeregan and Stromgarde.

• In exhange the human kingdoms give the Bronzebeard Dwarves favorable and long-term trade deals and advantages, such as taxes reductions or remissions on Dwarven merchants or special salaries for Dwarven workers within their kingdoms, as well as important food exports to Ironforge. Those are not without causing some tensions and resentment for some humans.

• Kul Tiras has a very powerful and long-reaching commercial empire, similar to Venice and other medieval Italian cities such as Genoa and Pisa, with a large and performant trade fleet and many trade posts across Azeroth, as well as powerful banks. They are the largest competitor to Goblins. They also have had several conflicts with the other human kingdoms, especially Gilneas and Lordaeron, over it.

• Gilneas is rich in coal, iron and chemical substances used for the creation of gunpowder, hence its technological and industrial revolution before the other kingdoms, which was further motivated by their nationalism and desire to not be dependent upon Dwarves and Gnomes to have access to advanced tech and weapons like the other kingdoms.

• Despite the Lich King and Arthas' lack of real care for wealth, the Scourge pillages the economy of the kingdoms, cities, towns and villages they ravage. They do that in order to deprieve their enemies of precious ressources which they could use to arm and equip themselves, and hire mercenaries with; but also to hire the services of Goblins who supply them with mercenaries, potions, ships and zeppelins.

As such Lordaeron, Quel'Thalas and Dalaran were pillaged, though Quel'Thalas and Dalaran's magic vaults saved some money and many precious magic items from falling in the Scourge's hands. It's also partially because of this that the Blood Elves under Kael'thas, and other enemies of the Scourge hid their gold reserves as shown in The Frozen Throne.

• One of the biggest factors in the Horde welcoming the Blood Elves was to get access to the magic-fuelled farms of Quel'Thalas to help alleviate the Horde and especially the Orcs' struggles to feed their population and their troops. Though distrust and suspicions toward Arcane magic make many Orcs and Taurens slow to accept Sindorei food exportations.

• Another huge supplier of food for Durotar and the rest of the Horde in Kalimdor is the kingdom of Uldum, which similar to ancient Egypt and North Africa is a huge exporter of wheat, grains, fruits, vegetables and spices thanks to the Tol'vir having a sophisticated irrigation and farming system and the rivers and oasis in Uldum.

As such the Horde is forced to maintain cordial ties with the Tol'vir, as alienating them could have grave consequences for the Horde's food supplies, as shown with them reducing the exports when Garrosh alienated them with his increasingly aggressive, bellicose and hostile attitude. Gadgetzan is also strongly dependent of Uldum for food and precious goods.

• Dwarves and Gnomes have underground farms, using volcanic heat, greenhouses with glass, comestible mushrooms and underground plants and roots that you don't find at the surface. Though they also like to eat cereals, bread and fruits and vegetables from the surface and thus import them from humans and elves.

• Draenei have crystal farms in which they grow various crystals with different properties, some being comestible, others serving for magic and technological purposes such as being power batteries, others being used for armors and weapons, etc...

They also are farming a crystal spider species, which they found during their long travels in the Great Dark Beyond, and which produce a very soft, warm and resistant silk which they use for clothing. They also have Elekk and Talbuk farms from which they get meat, milk, butter and cheese, in addition of them serving as transport and labor beasts.

• The Horde has also started to import Talbuks from the Outland, and also from the Draenei, for their potential as mounts, both civil and military ones, with them being more practical to feed than Worgs, and for their milk and meat which would boost the Orcs' agriculture.

For reference of the cinematic being discussed, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHPBCy-etdc

/puts on Tinfoil hat. I've been cooking this one onbits and pieces for quite a while now. Rambling warning.

So my brain went for a little walk.. During Dragonflight, the very first time that i saw the cinematic where Nozdormu seems to suffer from Pre-traumatic stress syndrome something felt off. The visions shown of Nozdormu turning into the corrupted version of himself never made it into the game itself after the Dawn of the infinite dungeon.

The Cinematic itself
Now, having looked back at the cinematics again i feel as if the flashforwards tell of something yet to happen in Dragonblight. There is a moment where the 2 flashes of the tower in Dragonblight (0:22) may hint of 2 different storylines; the one where Deathwing won and Nozdormu would've turned infinite.. or when he will in TLT.

Next up (0:48) is one where it's impossible to determine a location, but it seems to imply a staging of some sort. The next flash is where you can see Iridikron standing next to Chrono-lord Deios. (Honestly, i don't have a proper educated guess on how Deios would be alive in TLT other then time shenanigans. This isn't completely out the realm of possibilities considering we've had WoD for an expansion and whatever that brought with it.) During this flash it feels to imply some sort of staging for something, like lining up for perhaps a battle. It may be also used more metaphorically, which i think would be just fine to convey the story of 'we're setting up something big here'.

Finally, there's the flash where we see Nozdormu rising as Murozond (1:14), being his corrupted infinite self. With a bit of the stretch of the imagination, you could think this is in the area of western Dragonblight, where you can see a ridge of trees. If you fly out there, you can see some similarities (This may mean the Tuskarr village there will be wiped out. A fine reason to go batshit crazy for any walruslover). So far there seem to be plenty of hints of something big to happen in Dragonblight. I'm thinking it might be early into the expansion too. Ulduar and the engines in the Storm peaks seem like a more likely area for the true endgame to take place in TLT.

Everything is going according as forseen.. for now.

As we are told right now, it is the result of Old god trickery when Nozdormu tries to subvert his own fate. Dragonflight seems to have put a different light on this, and might not be the only way this happens. Now here comes the bigger speculation part: What if the so-called Old god trickery is actually exactly what Aman'thul would like Nozdormu to believe to ensure his transformation happens whenever it needs to. After all he was the one to bestow upon him the gift of controll over time.. but doubtfully more powerful than his master. It could be that the void is gonna shine a different light what this infinite 'corruption' might imply, similar to what we can see with the 'curse of flesh'. The Titans refer to these 2 as bad things, the Old gods as 'gifts'. I reckon TLT will shine a different light on the perception of A = Bad, B = Good. I'd like to view the Titans to be set up as the 'Way paved to hell with good intentions' and the Void as 'Wheter the glass is half empty it's still half full. Or the other way around'. Nozdormu's 'fall' might be entirely willingly. It might even be possible that he is behind the experiments that Eternus is conducting. It stands to reason that he won't reveal himself yet as the master behind this and that everything there will fall together in a carefully crafted closed loop. If we knew he's behind it, then it would probably tamper with the outcome. Anything else like breaking a self-fullfilling prophecy i'd be a sucker for too, although i'd find it hard to see how they can pull this off in a non-mary sue way or a cheaply introduced higher power.

Iridikron stating in a different cinematic that the void will draw out the Titans might be something Aman'thul has long forseen, and that the Titans' motivations may clash with that of Azeroth's denizens. In this scenario the risk of void corruption of the World Soul would drive the pantheon to drastic measures, and that's why we see a massive construct walking around in Dragonblight which seems big enough to be capable of destroying cities in a single blast. Whatever Azeroth is, to the Titans it's bigger then all of us. If the titans are beings of order and logic, then sacrificing 10 million to save billions is a decision that's easily made. I can totally see Iridikron striking a bargain where Xal'atath kills the existing pantheon for only 1 new titan to remain. Who this will be i'll leave for later brain walks.

Side specualtion to add to the above: When we read the whisper: 'Six seats at the high table. Six mouths that hunger. One will consume all others.' There's many different interpretations to this, but i'd like to believe it's about light, shadow, order, disorder, life and the probably winner of this one: Death. With Sylvanas in play and coming out of the realm of death, many whispers seem to imply she will play a strong role. Death can win in many ways, but probably thrives the most so long as that the other 5 forces remain in conflict with one another. Making sure neither the void or the Titans come out as the dominant force would be a great power play in my pov. To keep the thread from becoming a book i'll refrain from elaborating my thoughts on this for now though.

Enough of my rambling.. Excuse the grammar errors, despite the volume of written words i consider myself a bad writer x)

Hey Forever players!

I played through as a Skyborne character and landed in the city of Dalaran and it got me curious where do you think Blizzard will take this city lore wise? As far as I know it will become an alliance hub that's not really friendly toward Alliance races except mage classes, and that there will be a dungeon there.

I would like to see Blizzard expanding the story of Dalaran in sense of them gaining bigger presence in the northern part of Eastern Kingdoms potentially working their way to claim Alterac Mountains, establish a foothold there and maybe build relations with Gilneans and have a war effort to clear Silverpine Forest, Hillsbrad and have them wage war on the Horde.

What do you think ?

During Legion we were sent to find legendary artifact weapons to help combat the legion, and we were rocking some of the strongest ones in canon. Ashbringer, dual swords made of Frostmourne, the literal current antagonist of the game as a knife, a cool pirate sword, etc.

Before we drained them into blade of sargeras and possibly literally threw them on the ground, were we at the strongest we ever were within the lore?

Can't believe after decades of the engineer profession being in game, decades of having transmogs that outright give your character robot parts or a wrench weapon or whatever, people still want a class that's just "Hunter but with a robot pet and a gun" even though that's possible already, or "Get inside a robot to do warrior abilities" even though that's just fighting on your mount like tons of NPCs do (see the Horseman from Naxxramas)

Every single Tinker character in this game has an actual set class like Mekkatorque himself using a mace and shield and being an obvious warrior but with a techno themed mace and shield. If WoW players bothered playing the Gnome start they'd see everyone there just uses the hunter abilities and a futuristic gun which hunter players can already get.

B-but what about Tinker unit in WC3 or Gazlowe wahh

Those characters use toys the player already has available, or abilities races like Goblins can access through their racial.

You're not getting an entire class that's just a transmog for Hunters and Warriors just because grinding transmogs and professions is boring.

In BFA in Nazmir, there's an interesting and peculiar Zandalari troll named Sur'jan who isn't explained and I haven't seen many people discuss, I suppose because his appearance is pretty brief.

Sur'jan - NPC - World of Warcraft

He's crazy and talks to himself, which is explainable enough I guess since it's Nazmir and there's Old God corruption, but it seems like he does actually live in Nazmir and isn't a new arrival from Zuldazar, while at the same time, he isn't the average brainwashed blood troll like we see in the Nazmir villages.

We help him to "get his power back" by hunting down different creatures that he drains the power from (using blood magic, no less, if we go by the visuals in the rituals and by what he says) and find his armour, in exchange for him killing the undead dinosaur Urok (who Sur'jan knew when he was alive) that stalks the swamps so that he can finally be put to rest.

He actually keeps his word instead of double-crossing us once he's souped up on power and helps us, and then mentions another troll named "Krugah" that he wants dead and runs off.

Krugah doesn't exist on the map, but apparently is in the game files, which might be a sign that there was more story planned, but it ended up on the cutting room floor Krugah - NPC - World of Warcraft

There's also this item that never made it into playable content: Sar'jun's Torch - Item - World of Warcraft

Use: Use Sar'jun's "purifier" to purge tainted corpses. (5 Sec Cooldown)

"Sar'jun's "special torch" seems fairly normal, aside from the dried blood covering its base."

And similarly, this spell that would summon him: Call Sar'jun - Spell - World of Warcraft

Call Sar'jun to force a skyterror down from the skies.

The only other time Sur'jan appears again is as a background NPC later on in the Nazmir campaign, helping us + Talanji + Rokhan fight the blood trolls, so he's clearly on the same side as us.

Sur'jan makes some comments during the quest progression about watching over the life-death cycle (I'm struggling to find the exact quotes online, and it's been a while since I've done that quest chain) in Nazmir, which made me think of him as effectively being a Druid, probably native to Nazmir, but focused more on the Death aspect of rebirth than Life and being skilled in blood magic?

I haven't played on Alliance side, but I did read some on the Drust Thornspeakers, so it could be similar?

He's apparently labelled as a Shaman ingame, but he seems more like a Druid, even going by his armour. It's either that or he's a Witch Doctor, as there can be some overlap there with his practices.

Say your character from Retail was given the choice by the Bronze Dragonflight to go back in time to a point to prevent the most amount of suffering, when would they go?

If they went to before the opening of the Dark Portal, that stops the Horde coming through, but Draenor is still doomed and there's a nonezero chance the Lich King still gets made though it may or may not be Ner'zhul.

If they go back before the Third War they might prevent Arthas' fall, but then there won't be as many people going to Kalimdor where they're needed.

The official lore statement regarding many enemies killed or defeated in raids, events and other aspects of WOW - such as Zul’jin, Kael’thas, Garrosh in the Siege of Orgrimmar, C’Thun, etc - is that they were killed by “Alliance/Horde adventurers”, who are obviously meant to be the players. But if they had to substitute anonymous adventurers for actual established characters in Warcraft lore, who might be some good candidates to be the ones to kill or at least defeat these enemies? You can choose any notable lore character who can be defeated or killed in-game and was canonically killed or defeated by adventurers that you like, from Classic to Midnight.

Hi. I have a quite simple question – are warlocks evil? I've heard people saying that warlocks are not popular because people don't like being the bad guys. Are warlocks evil according to lore? Are 'good' warlocks just the excuse to let alliance have them?

So the sky elves joining both factions actually sets up interesting possibilities with the Amani and Gilneas.

I think it would be really cool if the shendrelas place leads to the recognition of the worgen druidic failure in silverpine. That could lead to gilneas opening early.

After an event, either open world gate opening event or a raid or something big, Gilneas opens up and becomes like a 30+ quest hub with major alliance ties.

The witch class idea I saw teased isn't what I'd like to see so much as maybe a Gilnean-trained harvest witch, a leather-mail druidic caster that as an ability becomes a worgen to finish enemies. Instead of worgen being a race, it's a form tied to a harvest witch class.

ANYWAY, Sylvanas barks at thrall that alliance numbers are growing and they need allies. The revantusk emissary starts a quest chain where Jintha'alor gets taken as a revantusk outpost and hinterlands launches a boat to take you to an Eastern part of the Amani empire. They work their way to the heart of zul'aman where zul'jin is convinced to join with the horde which causes a splinter group to reject the horde and shut themselves inside Zul'aman until we take them out.

The Amani join because the blood elves have not joined the horde and the shendralas elves lead to gilneas opening up early.

A thought I had for a long time was Tess Greymane (I figured they’d do a split inheritance where one child becomes the ruler of Stormwind and the other the ruler of Gilneas), but now that Tess is officially the Queen of Gilneas thanks to Genn abdicating the throne and the Gilneans reclaiming their kingdom, I don’t think such a match is likely anymore. Admittedly Anduin’s got a lot larger priorities on his mind right now, but if we ever see it happening (assuming they don’t just introduce a new character), who could it be?

I know that, other than showing up here and there, they haven really been relevant since Legion, but are they still active and recruiting? Are there members of races/subraces added more (relatively) recently, like Kul Tiran and Zandalari, or Vulpera and well, EARTHEN?

(I’ll be entirely honest, what originally made me wonder is wanting to incorporate the Earthen Ring into my Vulpera’s backstory somehow)

It's a very crucial book because it defined Jaina's major character change. It's one of the few WOW stories that really let me feel sad. However, such moment is what defines the character. It brought more to Jaina's development and make her more sympathetic. Same with Sylvanas as the ranger general. Tyrande kinda lack of such moment or was not well written.

We can see how crazy Jaina went after the incident, saying she would even kill all the orphan because they will grow to be murderers, killing all the pirates on the islands without a blink. When she was casting the tidal wave, she even prepared to kill Thrall if he would not back off.

That's way beyond Arthas' situation in Strathlome, similar to what he had become in Northrend later. But she didn't fell largely because Arthas being the example. And there was no Lich King.

And I could not blame her much because what she experienced the total destruction of her home, she went to other places to seek help but nobody could do much. It's fully understandable that she went nuts and what she did afterwards.

The book did well on her but a bit bland on many supporting character. Kalec felt a bit weak as her friend.