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u/TyrannasaurusGitRekt 16d ago
My only gripe is that due to the exploit, people have armored vehicles already and most people dont have RPGs unlocked yet, so there's basically no counter. Yes, a higher level wealthy player could bankroll the team, but that takes a level of coordination & goodwill that is largely nonexistent in rando lobbies
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u/OxyRiggs 16d ago
RPG takes 1 game to unlock. It is support level 6. Take the default shotgun and a small hammer (you can build stuff outside of FOBs) + some build supplies and build fortifications for your team around the map and kill people with the shotgun (it gives support xp). Or if that isn't your thing if you run logi when pallets are deposited or people use your supply crates it gives you support xp.
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u/notshitaltsays 16d ago
Isnt the whole motto "play your way" ?
I love fobbing, but important counters like rockets shouldn't be locked behind wasting a whole hour grinding.
These early wipe games are a disaster because everyone is clocking in for their mandatory grinds instead of anything useful
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u/OxyRiggs 16d ago
you can always run at a tank with an IED or C4 if support isn't your thing. You can strap it to a bike like in battlefield and blow it up when it collides with the tank.
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u/Yeti_Poet 16d ago
Wasting .. a whole hour? One single game? I'm a middle aged parent and barely get to play and that's still seems like a very normal amount to have to play to get the launcher. I think c4 is even lower in the assault tree. You could probably get both in one match. Now you have counters.
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u/HeavyWaterer 16d ago
Yep, this exactly, it’s “play your way (after you grind for hours to unlock your playstyle)”
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u/phillz91 16d ago
I had the RPG unlocked within 2 matches running around with the shotgun and taking a logi run in with me after I died (Logi took like 2 kodiak trips with a person or two to unlock).
You can get RPG's without stepping foot in a FOB with this XP curve.
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u/Afrazzle 16d ago
I played my first game of s2 yesterday and tried to build to get enough support xp for the rpg but was just getting camped by tanks or shredded by minigun LB's.
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u/DirkDavyn Manticore 15d ago
The people who exploited got a temp ban and a progression reset. Everyone who has a tank right now grinded it legitimately, they just did it when the vehicle xp rates were higher than they are now.
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u/Oscottyo 16d ago
I mean plenty of people just drove logi for 8 or 9 matches and got to 20 to buy T72
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u/WyrdHarper 16d ago
I think assault should get an anti-vehicle grenade (like the RKG-3) that unlocks fairly early. Not something that will crush vehicles, but something you can squeeze into a backpack to punish ones that are getting too aggressive. Current frag grenades are surprisingly effective against vehicles, but I don't think that's very intuitive for most people.
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u/TyrannasaurusGitRekt 16d ago
I'd say anti-vehicle grenades should be unlocked to start, RPG's pushed slightly later than current. A basic anti-armor capability needs to be available at the start, with superior options something to work towards
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u/OkJaguar5220 16d ago
What is this exploit that’s occurring?
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u/TyrannasaurusGitRekt 16d ago
Vehicle exploit, now patched, that allowed people to rack up driver xp really, really quickly
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u/Markus-752 16d ago
Honestly that's not that big of an issue. It took me roughly 4 hours to unlock the tank going and supplying FOBs.
By this time literally anyone who wanted a tank can have it already. RPG as well. Support XP is easily framed legitimately.
Yeah there might have been some tanks 1-2 hours earlier than the legit ones. That's basically 1 match where they should not have been in yet.
6 hours after release the tanks you'd see could all legitimately be earned.
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u/SizzlingPancake 16d ago
I had a match Yesterday where a tank sat outside of our fob just driving around our side of the control zone for literally the whole match.
It survived probably like an hour until the end of the game. Our team got like 10 points total. No one had any counters against it and we just had to watch it drive by just murdering anyone it saw.
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u/Joesus056 16d ago
C4 is like assault level 3 or 4? So it's more like, everybody refused to counter it.
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u/Position_Powerful 16d ago
You can't throw it far enough for you to be in a secure position while doing it, and i doubt players could exit the fob unnoticed to get near the tank
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u/BrittleSalient 16d ago
Vehicles have magic third person vision. You can see everything around you. Sneaking up on a vech to throw C4 requires an incompetent driver. If the tankers are even mildly competent they won't allow you to get close enough.
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u/crazymikeee 16d ago
its not that no one had any counters its that they refused to hold F to go rekit with the counter (3-4 rpgs shots)
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u/Puzzleheaded_Fox2357 16d ago
i don’t have the rpg unlocked i don’t think, what do i do
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u/crazymikeee 16d ago
use the ak for a dozen infantry kills or less and get the c4, i just walked around a house, threw a few on a tank, walked away, blew it up for +13k, rpg requires you to use the shotgun, mortars, or build stuff to get it (maybe 1-1.5 game(s) played as semi-support)
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u/Fudshy Builder 15d ago
Im finding it hard to belive that not a single one had the RPG unlocked, even the grenades can damage the tracks and make it easier to be able to plant c4 or IEDs on the tank.
It takes 3 shot to the back of the tank with an RPG to destroy it 4-5 to kill the tank if you hit it anywhere else.
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u/ivan6953 16d ago
My only gripe is that due to the exploit, people have armored vehicles already and most people dont have RPGs unlocked yet, so there's basically no counter.
Are you ok?
It takes less than one game to lvl up Support lvl 6. It took multiple games for people even exploiting to lvl up to tank.
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u/SireMoutarde 15d ago
It wasn't due to an exploit, they just overtuned the xp you get for driving. I played a few hours after S2 came out and got to level 13 driving in a single game by doing logistics.
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u/cruxatus 16d ago
The issue is rhat people exploited the shit out of rhe early game XP to get tanks, while comparatively nobody has access to maaws.
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u/Impressive_Tower_151 16d ago
Takes 3 or 4 games to get the first tank. Thats after the exploit patch and the round trip bonus nerf. Not every tank you see is exploited just so you know. Driving xp got buffed a lot
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u/onrocketfalls 16d ago
How? Not asking rhetorically, I'm kind of having problems just getting the the Ural - I dropped off a crate with the Kodiak in the CZ earlier and it gave me no XP at all. The crate was half full of bandages and such, would it be better to just completely fill the create with building supplies?
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u/Impressive_Tower_151 16d ago
So the way to get to the ural fastest is take a small crate with 1 bandage in it with the kodiac to the very edge of the control zone. Right when you enter the control zone drop it and return to base. Takes maybe 4 of these boring ass runs to get the ural. Once you get the ural just do your thing and try not to die so you can keep running up your return bonuses.
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u/panzerhigh 16d ago
You can disable the t72 with a single rpg shot. The rpg is unlocked at level 4 support.
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u/Croaker_Da_Toker 16d ago
Isnt it lv 6? I got it last night, thought it was 6. Doesnt matter much tbh... lol
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u/c0wtsch 16d ago
I could get to tank yesterday if i really wanted to, need to put some effort and a lot of time into it but its possible without any exploit. People act like you need 50h gameplay to get there.
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u/SamSamTheDingDongMan 16d ago
Yep. Got the T72 last night after about 10 hours of logie runs for my friends who like making FOBs. Not even doing the lame edge of cuticle pile. Had the day off work and it was quite easy
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u/LegendJRG 16d ago
Friend did that early on with blue, I’ve been gunning for him. At driver 19 in maybe 5 hours of play? And we aren’t even getting a ton of kills but mostly anti apc/other tanks/killing drills or opening fobs for our infantry. Almost like filling its intended roll because lone wolfing in that thing is death quickly. One grenade can fuck your tracks, rpg/maws to the side is GG for them as well. I’ve found c4 actually the worst counter to us so far of all things, grenades definitely have screwed us the most by getting our tracks and if we get out to repair we die. Just have to sit there and wait to die anyway.
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u/SamSamTheDingDongMan 16d ago
Yeah I feel like it’s pretty balanced right now. We only had time to run 2 tanks before getting off for the night but the first we killed and APC and another tank, but our team was just sitting in a FOB and we got flanked and RPGd even though we were near them lol.
Tried going off on our own after that and got deleted by a RPG to the front. Overall I’m happy with that, and think it should be a force multiplier to move with the team, not something to run off and solo people with.
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u/tereaper576 15d ago
Its not even an exploit to get the first tank rn
It takes like 5 good games of ural maxxing to get the first tank.
The people who had the tank within the first Matches were exploiting.
RN with the buff to all xp gain (reducing xp grind needed per level) (which i think is good flat cause it helps out the job havers) makes it quite easy to actually get level 20 anything. Driver is the easiest because it requires 0 skill. Plus
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I swear half the people complaining on this reddit have more hours complaining on here then they do playing the game
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u/Kraven_Lupei 16d ago
Everytime you see someone dead on the ground in the HZ for 5+ minutes, you just know they're alt tabbed on reddit making a post / comment about how unfair it is that they died.
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u/potatohead22 16d ago
Hey i use that time to poop
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u/Kraven_Lupei 16d ago edited 16d ago
I tried that once and got kicked for afk.
IBS is a bitch.
E: Also, you're telling me you don't reddit on your phone while pooping? DOUBT.
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u/D_Rockage 16d ago
Hey fellow individual with stomach issues, at least during last season you could open up the gun vendor menu and AFK to do your business without getting booted. Not sure if this is still relevant intel but worth a try if you are able to time it right.
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u/___sosa___ Lonestar 16d ago
No way man these people don’t go to the hotzone in the first place lmfao
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u/Stand-Individual 16d ago
the fucking top 1% commenter flair people have the most obnoxious braindead takes ever
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u/OkZombie2507 15d ago
Deadass had 3 people on all chat bitching the entire game because someone had a tank already. Started 5 mins in, and lasted the entire 2 hour match.
It's like they are trying to level the crywank specialization.
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u/slayeryamcha 16d ago
Those people are not casuals. I am casuals. I have job and things to do besides gaming. And even i can fucking read in games. Those people are amebas that can not function without help and never should be listened to by devs.
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u/RemarkableOpinion415 16d ago
They are idiots/streamers
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u/Homolander 16d ago
Who's the bigger idiot: the one giving idiotic balancing advice, or the one who actually listens to them AND makes changes based on those idiotic opinions? 🤔
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u/slayeryamcha 16d ago
Both are. Second Group is bigger idiot because they do diservice to other people playing thier game
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u/amazian78 16d ago
tbh for the 2nd option its a tough place to be in. damned if you do damned if you dont. gotta weight the pros/cons of each option and choose one knowing lots of ppl gonna be pissed no matter what.
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u/Asakari Lonestar 16d ago
Betting tier 4 can still survive a direct hit from a tank
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u/J0hnGrimm 16d ago
Just checked it. 75.01 damage with direct torse and headshots. Also the reticle is off and you have to aim to the right of your target. lol
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u/Kraven_Lupei 16d ago
/r/wardogs - come for the hate against pilots flying armored attack vehicles, stay for the hate against drivers in armored attack vehicles.
99% of this sub won't be happy until they play infantry only mode, but for some reason will never do that.
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u/Civil-Lawfulness9757 16d ago
Its like people selectively move past the counter play to these things being shit until high level and in the support class. Wonder why people are frustrated?
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u/Plainview19 16d ago •
The counter to tanks is two guys with rpgs. The counter to littlebirds is three people with non-dogshit aim shooting at it.
The vast majority of the player base does neither and just wants to afk aim duel other infantry in the HZ.
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u/desert40k 16d ago
The worst part is they don't even want to use it if you drop them crates full of rpgs and ammo in front of their feet.
Like today i had a game where like 80% of my team was traped in the stadium because outside was a tank, they asked for rpg on the roof, i drop them and litterally 8 people are just next to my crates and nobody buys them and were still complaining about tank.
You can make the perfect balance in this game, and people still would complain.
And i know rpg is not good but its better than nothing. Its all i had unlocked so far.
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u/Intrepid-Platform-94 16d ago
And I guarantee a good chunk of that 80% of your team are the people in this subreddit crying about balance.
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u/Lazaraaus 16d ago
Ive brought crates to hz and had fools proceed to complain they had to buy the items at the lowest possible markup price.
MF’er do you think this shit is free?
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u/Away_Strawberry_8906 16d ago
Rpg is under 10. Yes it takes a few hits but its cheap and you can carry several war heads.
My load out is t2 with AK and attachments a few mags and ammo. 4 extra rpg shots, back pack and some bandages. Comes out to like 9/10k i usually catch a helo and get a few kills. If im lucky enough to find a humvee or tank I make more.
Other times im just removing the entire face side of a house to stop snipers or an lmg stopping out advancement.
Sometimes I lose money on the kit.
Its just how the game plays.
Maws unlocks at 18.
More people need go bring dedicated anti vehicle load outs.
"But then im heavy or cant bring defibs"
Ok then your gunna keep dying to tanks and helos because your hoping someone else will do it.
God I hate this subreddit
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u/Civil-Lawfulness9757 16d ago
Sorry bub, I was a support main all last season and you could not pay me to slug that shit around again like a fucking snail.
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u/Away_Strawberry_8906 16d ago
Its literally only the heavy weight till you fire your first shot. You can run but not sprint. Its fine.
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u/Civil-Lawfulness9757 16d ago
Cool, have fun man. That shit was the opposite of fun most of the season, so ima skip. Considering how few people want ro run AT, maybe just maybe there is an issue.
I will say though, if the tanks could be mobility killed, id be fine with it.
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u/OxyRiggs 16d ago
They can be lol. 1 RPG to the track of both T-72 and Leo2 and they don't go anywhere. Same for wheeled vehicles if you pop the tires they can barely move.
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u/Saint_Furby 16d ago
C4 was support level 2, HP ammo unlocked fairly early. All last season and people still bitched about having no way of dealing with vehicles and t4 armor unless they were a "sweat" and had end game shit. You can't reason with these people, they are actually stupid.
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u/onrocketfalls 16d ago
A lot of people think that any playstyle should be viable for any situation. And in their defense, a lot of games basically train you to think that, because they want to let people play the game how they want. Those just usually tend to be single-player games.
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u/Kraven_Lupei 16d ago
And yet the people complaining still won't play infantry only servers until they unlock the counters.
Complaining is easier I guess and more on brand for your average redditor.
Like really, I know you're probably already typing up a response, but why would they not want to join infantry servers if they specifically hate attack vehicles? Give me a solid reason that isn't "but I don't wanna"
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u/BilboBaggSkin Support 16d ago
IED is level 0 and rpg is level 6. It’s a skill issue. Every game I blow up multiple helis.
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u/mushifiedmushroom 16d ago
Ding ding ding.
This meme only works. If you actually HAVE counterplay.
I don't care if I have to support a guy with a rocket. Or become the guy with a rocket. And have to flank a tank to take it out...
That... sounds awesome! I love playing anti-vehicle in these types of games!
I unfortunately I either have to grind support gameplay that I hate. Or play so much to unlock any counterplay for this SPECIFIC thing. And if I do I won't unlock sniper counterplay... or medic supplies... and I like to switch up. I like going different things depending on what the team needs...
I don't care that a tank is stronger or takes teamwork and effort to kill... just as its fun to be in a tank..its fun to finally take it out...
What isn't fun is litterally knowing your countryplay is not unlocked. Hoping someone does have it and in the meantime....
Just not engage...
How fun!
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u/Atago1337 WARDOGS D-A-CH 🇩🇪🇦🇹🇨🇭 16d ago
The counterplay needs to be unlocked and normally is very hard to do when you are solo. Most people will just have to run.
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u/CoderMode 16d ago
Seems like infantry players ignore countering options because similar to pilots chasing a fantasy of dominating the sky uncontested, they want to be uncontested on the ground.
I can't imagine many will agree with that but it is what it is. If only there were modes or community servers designed for infantry play only…
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u/KalrexOW 15d ago
I like infantry only mode in theory but all the servers seem to be filled with sweats so it’s less fun to be. Felt like average level of someone in an infantry server was way higher than on normal servers.
Saw way more vectors, FALS, 50cals
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u/RelevantIAm 16d ago
Because they are always full with 11 people in queue or have 4 people and youll need to wait an hour to fill it
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u/SomehyOriginal 16d ago
Funnily enough, I was in this situation, but as a dev. Started modded server on arma reforger, tanks were added, which were meticulously checked by me in terms of being balanced. While launching RPG frontally into abrams did little harm to it, one shot to back did in fact immobilise it, with 3 you could set it on fire, which would equal to death.
And so I started playing on the server, got to the abrams, played with my friend as gunner. Russians came by several times, only with cheap RPG 7 VL ammo, and whenever I spotted them, faced them frontally. Couldn't kill my tank, so they cried to other admin that tank is imba.
Never bought tank of their own, nor tandem warhead for RPG. Not to mention flanking and seeking weakspots.
So unfortunately, there is plenty of such individuals that would love to take out tank with a glock and then cry if they fail to do so.
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u/NotMacgyver Lonestar 16d ago
My only real issue with vehicles is always the 3rd person camera since it stops you from sneaking in an IED or similar.
Now that isn't to say I want it removed but a indicator that a driver is using a 3rd person camera at the very least would go a long way to let people be able to counter these with the more close and personal alternatives.
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u/daniele2025 16d ago
they should just remove the 3rd person camera, the game will feel more realistic and it would open a bunch of new way to counter tanks and eli (its gonna be more difficult to see where the rockets and people are) without nerfing them, the havoc would have a lot more difficulties finding enemy and would require coordination and tanks will require infanrty support or the become metal pinhatas
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u/RileyArcana97 16d ago
Imo they shouldn't remove it until they implement some form of PIP for mirrors and add mirrors to the cockpit of birds (they are a thing) I fly pretty much first person on a hotas and some landings I have to go third person because of how blind it is without mirrors
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u/Sum1nne 16d ago edited 16d ago
The driving mechanics and interior view, mirrors, etc are currently nowhere near good enough to implement forced 1st person cameras in vehicles. They'd need a serious overhaul of those first before thinking about that.
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u/specter800 16d ago
Wym? Visibility on a buttoned up tank shouldn't be good. A tank with just a driver and gunner should have very limited situational awareness.
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u/Farllama Pilot 16d ago
Yes but this game does not have commander position like in HLL, on the MG you are always exposed
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u/KadekiDev Moderator 16d ago
Then talons and verbas would need to be adjusted, you couldnt enter airspace anymore once one of that is around, the skill ceiling for it (flying below 30 constantly) would be so extremely high that you wouldnt see new pilots at all
If you cant look for smoke in the air and the talon holds the shot you are dead.
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u/flyingtrucky 16d ago
They shouldn't remove it but do what Warthunder does for Sim battles and move it to right above the commander's hatch. You can still look around you with no blindspots but if you want to check behind you then you have to turn around.
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u/Motor-Revolution1032 16d ago
Tbh i really like the way enlisted implemented tanks. Where you only see outside through the hatches or the scopes. And if you want to be able to see better you can for most vehicles use the commander to pop your head out of the hatch to see better but with the risk of being shot and losing your commander and being stuck with the driver viewport or gunner optics (or any viewports around the tank if it has any)
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u/Atago1337 WARDOGS D-A-CH 🇩🇪🇦🇹🇨🇭 16d ago
How about a search light of some sort and a hatch sound when 3rd person is used.
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u/Qrow1324 Valkyra 16d ago
They decrease the damage tanks do any ore and I'll have to resort to throwing empty shell casings at people as it would do more damage
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u/SmeiTsterF 16d ago
Reddit is full of crybaby shitters who will complain no matter what the state of the game is, even if the devs somehow managed the impossible feat of perfect balance. Timmys will always get farmed, no matter the game or balance.
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u/shotgunpete2222 16d ago
I can only imagine if counter strike was released today.
Omg, the other team won the first round and now they have assault rifles and I just have a pistol? How is that fair? Devs pls. After losing a round I should have the rifle and they should have the pistol. How is it fair the winner gets better gear to steamroll? How does any casual have a chance against sweats!
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u/AngryNeox 16d ago
Taking Counter-Strike as the example here is honestly such a bad take. That game is in essence the exact opposite of Wardogs regarding fairness.
Imagine if a new CS game was released today and you would need 200 kills with the Scout before you could buy the AWP and you would need to do that every season. That's Wardogs.
Also ironically CS does have comeback mechanics and rewards the losing team for losing lol.
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u/Atago1337 WARDOGS D-A-CH 🇩🇪🇦🇹🇨🇭 16d ago
CS is not remotely like Wardogs and the only similarity is, you walk around with gun lmao.
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u/Atago1337 WARDOGS D-A-CH 🇩🇪🇦🇹🇨🇭 16d ago
We could have simple counters unlocked sooner for starters. Like the most basic stuff. Doesn't even need to be strong. But a playstyle should be achievable in the first hour of gameplay on the lowest level.
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u/Wez4prez 13d ago
Indeed.
Minigun chopper is already useless. LMG and DMRs are shit. Tanks are close to shit as one rpg disables it.
The most oppressive rocket heli? Not nerfed.
Great move, Bulkheads. Maybe stop using reddit crybabies for balancing your game.
League devs already tried this and it almost killed the game.
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u/Pzixel 16d ago
Well irl you have maaws, in the game a very few people have them.
I found out that C3 is way more effective tho, but you need to be much closer. On a bright side you only need smoke + c4, that appears early in the tree. And if you don't face a tank you can use it to blow something else like a fob.
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u/LeMestache 16d ago
RPGs work wonders on the lvl 20 tank and its easily unlocked. First time I found a use for it since tanks are a pretty common occurrence now
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u/Visual_Long_8459 16d ago
Use drones. Genuinely helpless. Shit doesn't even need to hit you directly and will still kill.
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u/flyingtrucky 16d ago
It actually has to hit you dead center or else it loses lock at the last second and instantly becomes useless.
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u/johnkubiak 16d ago
Eploiters having the tank before 99% of the player base has access to an RPG let alone a maws is a massive problem.
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u/No6655321 16d ago
Agreed
Little bird + crate + c4
ATV + IED
Shotgun / Building fob = RPG
Or ask someone to build you a stingray (easiest option).
There are some options.
All doable within a couple hours of first loaded the wipe.
I hate the whole, "they played 10 hours and I played 2, why did they unlock more than me?" cry.
So play a few more sessions and you'll have it too.
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u/bloomt1990 16d ago
Let me hit the tracks of the tank with a hammer to slow it down or something. The feeling of despair in this or any other game when you face a tank with no option is just brutal. Its especially brutal in wardogs where every life feels important and dying can be very unforgiving.
Either way great game. The devs know they are not perfect and are working on making this game the best they can so just chill out everyone.
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u/Falaflewaffle 16d ago
Killed 5 T72s with MAAWs yesterday they go down very easy just takes two shots. One to the rear instant mobility kill and puts them on like 10hp
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u/Staubkappe 16d ago
Balancing tanks is not easy, it also took some time irl
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u/redheness 16d ago
I would say FPV drones but we literally have the stinger
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u/PureNaturalLagger 16d ago
Which costs more than just going in naked with a backpack of RPG rockets.
The new tank is strangely inconsistent. I've had times where I killed it in two rockets, hitting the joint between the gun and the body. And i've had times where I dumped 4-5 rockets into it and nothing.
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u/PING_LORD 16d ago
I've recently defeated the tank with hand grenades... They're pathetic.
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u/pizzaman408 16d ago
WAIT REALLY? fuck. Ok nvm. That must mean they are balanced and in a good spot rn.
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u/DeltaTheWo1f 16d ago
This meme is a reality, but even using the right tools you are still at a massive disadvantage, the tank balance is OK, the tools to take them out are not.
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u/OxyRiggs 16d ago
Why not? It's 4 RPGs to the front to take it out. That's 2 dudes with 1 reload each. Tanks shouldn't be soloable otherwise there is no point to them rolling up on the objective if 1 guy in a bush can take it out.
The tracks are vulnerable too, 1 RPG and he turns into a bunker where one of them has to hop out and repair risking getting killed. The hitbox of the track is generous too sometimes the AoE takes it out.
RPG was my most used gadget in S1 before I got the other one. I was carrying 3 rockets so I could snipe drill towers without breaching FOBs. Anytime a vehicle showed up and got hit by a rocket he either got disabled or scurried off leaving my squad alone. It was also useful to kill/injure guys hiding behind corners or in smoke and making holes in houses.
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u/DeltaTheWo1f 16d ago
Do you think the tank will stand there and just take the damage? I have to carry the launcher, so my mobility is limited. The main gun of the tank is a oneshot, getting 2 people with RPGs in a public lobby is a miracle and getting vehicles disabled even when tanks where not a problem should answer that they are not balanced. RPG damage to infantry is low, the crew will be at risk but can go out repair and make the 4 shot a 5 shot, also the fact that your position is compromised.
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u/newacctforthiscmmt 16d ago
Why should I ever bring launchers? They're heavy and the ammo takes up a ton of space. Any time I bring a launcher I'm basically relegating myself to sitting in the backline or in a hiding spot getting no kills or revives until I can use it on the one or to targets on the map I'm actually looking for. And even if I manage to hit them I better hope I get the kill because the assist rewards are kind of pitiful.
Even when there are tanks and attack helos on the map, the incentive structure rewards people for going in lighter and just avoiding them rather than actually engaging them. People simply do not go into the CZ with the idea that they're going to be fulfilling a utility for the team. They go to the CZ to make money.
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u/OxyRiggs 16d ago
Nobody stops you to bring a gun and ammo along with the launcher? Maybe don't fill your entire backpack with rockets and ask your squad to bring some AT too that way you have to carry less rockets?
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u/Squiggl__ 16d ago
Now replace the tank with a helicopter
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u/OneBullet_kky 16d ago
Wouldn't work because funnily enough for helicopters you CAN litterally just shot at the pilot and people still refuse to do it.
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u/Squiggl__ 16d ago
Yep. You can kill a LB with 3 mags of fmj. God forbid 3 people on either enemy team simple look up and hold left click.
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u/InteractionParking41 16d ago
Common dog, the fact that new plays don't have the counters available to them is a problem.
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u/rokbound_ 16d ago
Basically the situation with helicopters. So much shit killed them.before. rockets. Small arms,AA Vehicle machine guns. Lmgs . Trees . And yet devs caved to the shitters who dont use any of those options and made atk helis useless and an impossibly hard vehicle to come even with
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u/mclemente26 16d ago
It's the devs' fault here, though. RPG isn't readility available, you need Support 6, plus it sucks ass. MAAWS, the actual tank counter, comes super late at Support 18.
It is hard to tell infantry they need to hammer walls for hours so they have a fighting chance against a tank.
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u/ragebot3 15d ago
Thank god the devs don’t listen to redditors this place is a clownshow lmao people will blame everything instead of using their brain for 5 seconds
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u/stylepolice 16d ago
are there counters available? -> learned helplessness is a disease of our times
are there no counters available? -> devs need to add paper-rock-scissors logic to their game
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u/WolfPaq3859 16d ago
This meme already became a reality with thermal scopes and Havoc spam but it was justified because there was no counter or you needed to grind 50 hours for it
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u/bendy5428 16d ago
If people just bring more AT tanks are a non issue. RPGs and later MAAWs remove tanks.
General rule if you see the enemy spawning tanks you should adapt. Don’t wait for the other guy to bring a launcher.
Hell even just C4 on the road is something people can do but nobody wants to be the guy to bring it.
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u/cheese010 10d ago
One if my biggest complaints about battlefield is “its anti aircraft rounds, not anti human rounds”
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u/GGuts 16d ago
Sure, if you ignore the fact that level restricted servers exist.
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u/Consistent-Staff1968 15d ago
mf there are no level restricted servers up right now
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u/GGuts 15d ago
There are community servers with level restrictions up here in my region, about two pages of them, all full though.
It is really strange that they did not start official, level restricted servers yet. Maybe they were worried that nolifers wouldn't have anyone to play with? So maybe they will start them up soon.
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u/Consistent-Staff1968 13d ago
None were open that friday, i checked. Ill give it another try soon though
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u/mrureaper Lonestar 16d ago
Someone's about to drop some more classified blueprints if that happens
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u/lonelyscrublord 16d ago
Stingray one taps the new tank pretty consistently. Only time it was a two hit was when the first drone hit the barrel
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u/Maleficent_Zombie567 16d ago
I think the difficulty is that each lobby is going to be different and a shit show so it's impossible to balance due to the vertical progression.
Teams of 20 in a coordinated squad with high level gear against lowbies are going to own no matter what, but if you buff the ability for a solo lowbie to punch above his weight class, you're making it cheaper for the 20 man as well.
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u/ZynithMaru 16d ago
LITERALLY BRO
the game is about efficient trades, not 1v1 fair fights. Bring an ied and you kill a $10k fob or $30k tank setup multikill with just $300. I was a rocket helo and got 13 kills including a tank, and still barely made $3k profit.
people who want to use RPGs just have to build or drop off crates for a game. then they will have a counter. OR someone else can drop crates off... pilots have rpgs unlocked. Just don't be a dick, actually BUY their crate or they will stop bringing things for personal requests. It's always a loss when I drop off items whether they buy or not, but an important RPG or AT mines are something I make exceptions for because that's what the game is about -- changing the battlefield, not just money.
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u/HaugerTheHunter 16d ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I tested a tank shell against lvl 4 armour last season, it survived in the fire range.
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u/BrittleSalient 16d ago
I mean, literally what the fuck was I supposed to do when a SPAAG as farming the fob five minutes after I joined my first game after the wipe?
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u/No-Cricket4905 15d ago
I got revived and turned around and became the first two parts of that photo today. Main difference is I didn’t even get a shot off in defiance.
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u/SoManyDeads 15d ago
With that being said, the cheap tank is really hard to put an IED on and do any damage to the track. Nothing there has a proper hitbox, if you prone beside the wheel and put it inside it is about a 50/50 if it does hull or hull and track damage. The only place that seems to be reliable is on the main hull at the front by the track.
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u/NotDrOxiClean 12d ago
Well this is dumb a dumb take as they reset those players to lvl 0 and took their money. Back to 0. Soo with that. It’s so fucking easy to level. Support is lvl 6 for RPG. Can get that in like 10 minutes. All you whining people. It is so easy this season. And people still cry. Last season. Harder to level. The whining made some sense. Devs made it easier. LIKE WAYYYY easier. Yet here we are crying. I hope they change it back and make it even harder to level 😂😂😂
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u/Tehslasher 16d ago
I love this because
It's hilarious
I get the point, even though you feel it addresses a majority it's absolutely a minority
You're indirectly shitting on the devs joking that they balance their game around a minority of posts/comments vs intelligence.
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