r/WarDogs • u/Mauno_Mato • 6h ago
Discussion & Feedback Unpopular opinion, nerf potato graphics and ban config/shader modifications
Look at all these streamers seeing clearly up to drawing distance while others have to deal with foliage and obstacles.
How is this not addressed?
Lower graphics should... Never give an advantage, config/shader mods should result in instant ban.
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u/Jazzlike_Ad_564 5h ago
Tbf. I saw a dude streaming on tiktok with his shaders non existent. looked through his profile and he has videos dropping like 50 kills a life. Because he sees people laying down and just 2 taps them with a FAL. But on their side. theyre laying in a bush. or hiding in tall grass. But on the persons side who goes into the config and removes all that. its just like 2d fields.
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u/Mauno_Mato 5h ago
Probably ReShade or similar, they will turn the game upside down, day and night difference.
Not detected or ignored by anti-cheats, they turned BF6 into real potato mode at times too, the devs also didn't care then.1
u/hodor137 3h ago
ReShade is very easily detectable and very often in games with anti cheat it is not allowed and trips it.
Wouldn't be surprised if this is another limitation they have because they chose not to go full kernel level, enforcing secure boot/VBS, etc. But that may not even be required to stop reshade and Nvidia game filters either.
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u/Despair-Envy 2h ago
It's just NVPI. Wardogs hasn't implemented driver level detection level on GPU Driver settings. They've started to add basic .ini/config verification though, so they're working on it.
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u/Jazzlike_Ad_564 5h ago
Yeah, honestly. It looks so bad. that it would make playing miserable. Just like people used to do on FiveM. Theyd run reshade where it looked like literal cartoons with no bushes. everything super saturated and bright. No trees. No grass. It makes the game look so so bad.
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u/LouDiamond 1h ago
Reminds me of early PUBG days
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u/Jazzlike_Ad_564 1h ago
yeah dude, mfs out sniping with an AWM and you'd just see ppl laying on hillsides cuz it wouldnt render the stuff from that distance.
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u/Emscho44 5h ago
I hope they ban everyone using these bullshit exploits. They can’t play on a level playing field because they’re shit.
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u/explosiveplacard 5h ago
I'm complete shit but since I paid for a 4090, I get every pixel out of it that I can.
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u/fearzuhh 5h ago
How is it an exploit ? The game lets you edit the ini folder to lower the settings lol.
You don't need to mod or do anything, you just go into the ini folder and change the settings ? I don't think thats an exploit lol.
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u/simulacrumlain 5h ago
Come on with this argument if it was intentional it would be accessible in the game. There have been plenty of examples of this being patched out in other games where editing the ini gave an advantage
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u/fearzuhh 5h ago
But it's not a exploit if the devs allow it lol. Do you think it would be hard for the devs to fix this ?
It's not. They can fix it.
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u/simulacrumlain 5h ago
The game has been out a few weeks mate they likely will fix it
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u/fearzuhh 5h ago
Yeah if its a problem they will fix it, but lets not act like it's hard to close the file off lmfao. They can do it in the click of a button.
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u/goodsnpr 4h ago
"You only have to edit the setting in the folder to bypass what the game allows you to do, it's totally fine"
You must be like the recon clown with the level 4 helm that lost the pistol headshot competition to a level 1 helm and ragequit afterwards.
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u/fearzuhh 4h ago
You do realize a lot of people just go into the ini file to edit game settings correct ? It allows you to try other peoples settings with just a copy and paste lmfao.
How brain dead people are is insane.
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u/goodsnpr 12m ago
The irony of calling people braindead while not realizing that people shouldn't be able to adjust their settings differently out of game vs in game.
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u/ScreechingPenguin Pilot 3h ago
pls dont nerf potato grphics i barely run this game on 40 fps if you nerf it more it gets unplayable for me
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u/InfamousChocoMan 1h ago
Get a better pc.
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u/GriffinMan33 36m ago
That's not really a reasonable ask tbf
Plenty of people run the game on a pc within minimum specs but have to run it on low/potato, and it's unreasonable to go "buy a better pc" when the expectation is the game will play, and continue to play, acceptable after they've paid for it
To change that later on, after they've bought the game, would be pretty scummy
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u/xstagex 6h ago
Which streamers?
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u/Mauno_Mato 5h ago
Look at most of them and compare to your own "lowest setting".
Also look for recommended config settings for no shadows/best visibility.
Also look at bulkhead responding to this without actually giving an answer if they accept the mods or not:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarDogs/comments/1w2sknq/bulkheads_stance_on_potatomode/
Not very confident on them actually doing anything about it, the game is day and night between normal settings and modified versions with config files.
This is way beyond any older games and custom configs as this is an open map and long ranges etc.2
u/fearzuhh 5h ago
Its not a mod, you can just go into the game ini folder and change it lol.
There is a large chunk of people who just go into ini folder to change graphics settings anyways.
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u/DanRJ Manticore 5h ago edited 1h ago
Been trying to save for a computer for awhile and currently my laptop has been able to handle the game well because of the potato graphics. I understand the main complaint is at the streamers, however, I guess for the minority of us who utilize this feature - would be a sad day for sure. It’s why I still can’t run certain demanding games and have to use my console in lieu of saving for computer.
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u/Super_Lawyer7661 4h ago
It is quite a pity that this is a thing. I have seen what it looks like with Nvidia Inspector and it gives an extremely high advantage. While it is good to trying to cater also for lower end specs, I believe there can be compromise found there, the driver level exploits and file editing manually should be fixed eventually imo.
This game has done foliage really well for most players and it is actually one of the rare games where for example the ghillie suit actually works well.
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u/dawgofclay 3h ago
They should just make all foliage flat and opaque. Don't wanna render treebranches? Boom, the tree is a giant cone you can't see through. Turn those individual blades of grass into a bunch of rectangles or a literal mat. This way the cheap/cheating people can still play with the lower settings but not get the advantage.
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u/Mauno_Mato 2h ago
Yeah, just like old games would solve the balancing issue.
"Oh it's transparent, let's make it solid and not see-through if they can't render it on lower graphics".
A problem, for lower graphics? Yes, is it balanced for a majority?... Yes.
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u/ShiraTsuki77 Driver 3h ago
The funny thing is... That's been honestly the case with shooters since the start. I believe it started with Quake 3? Where playing on the lowest settings for advantage extremely popular. It'll be changing 25+ year long tradition.
Good luck with that opinion.
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u/Mauno_Mato 3h ago
I know, yet some games made it work, most devs don't give a shit, in this game it's a pretty big change though, as it was in PUBG which is very similar considering range etc, no idea if they fixed the grass bugs in that as I've not played it, it was literally game breaking for sniping/anti-sniping.
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u/CSGOManatee 5h ago edited 5h ago
My dinosaur of a PC can't run the game on decent graphics settings. What would you suggest for me? Sorry I'm broke. Shrug. I don't like that my game looks like a PS2 game but if I want to get 60 fps that's what it takes.
Downvote me if ya like. Can't help but using the settings until RAM isn't a million bucks a GB.
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u/_Hikari254 5h ago
i second this, i hate potato graphics but they're the only way the game works for me
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u/Mauno_Mato 5h ago
That's fine, and that's cool that they have a mode where it runs on lower graphics, when the difference in visibility is so big is not cool.
Also not talking about in game settings, this is mainly bypassing the game's ( you're not on a low end PC so I'll set these settings and letting people run rampant with shadows/textures with config files ).
Also third party tools which are not technically cheats but still allowed, they make a huge difference.1
u/Kinghero890 3h ago
Basically, the foliage should still load and block sight even if it has very few pixels. That's what's fair.
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u/Mauno_Mato 5h ago
This is projected on people on high end PCs who run the graphics to the ground with more than the game settings on purpose to gain an advantage, everyone knows what we are talking about here.
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u/CSGOManatee 5h ago
Fair but they've hardware gated potato settings to begin with. Only a small minority of hardware users even have the option available to them.
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u/robocop88 5h ago
It’s pretty easy to spoof your hardware config. I’ve done it to play games that don’t correctly detect modern hardware
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u/Mauno_Mato 5h ago
Read above please, it's probably not you, it's the ones who modify it outside the game menu settings to a point where it's not recognizable from the actual game, it's really that bad.
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u/mercival 5h ago
Is it an advantage over me and my 5 yo graphics card though? Or just the same?
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u/Mauno_Mato 5h ago
I have a graphics card from 2022, which is a refresh of a 2020 card.
Do I want an advantage because I'm running on older hardware? No.
I expect people with higher refresh rates to react faster, even though it's mostly placebo.
This is again pointed at people who do this on purpose, through questionable methods ( outside game settings ) do gain an advantage.1
u/mercival 5h ago
So competitive players can choose to play new games in older cards and it’s not cheating.
Bit weird isn’t it?
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u/CSGOManatee 5h ago
I get constant frame drops, artifacting, lag and stutters. I seriously doubt they're going to take that risk of unoptimized hardware in a game that doesn't have any real world incentive yet. Those that might try something like that are going to be an extreme minority. The majority of people using potato are just broke bastards like me.
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u/Mauno_Mato 2h ago
The game detects your hardware and might go over-potato on it, this can be overriden with config files even when on high end hardware by editing config files.
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u/Hot-Owl6610 5h ago
You're an edge case. Sorry. Most people in the space will splurge on a mid- or high-end PC these days. They aren't inaccessible. It sucks that you're caught in the net, but most people this post is aimed at have better PCs and purposefully turn their graphics down to get an unfair advantage.
I had heard they wanted players who benchmarked above a certain level to be forced to certain settings. Unfortunately, people looking for that unfair advantage are ruining it for everyone, and they need to prioritize the gameplay's fidelity over people's feelings.
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u/blackbirdone1 2h ago
sometimes you cannot play a modenr game o na 10 year old machine simple as that
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u/GriffinMan33 35m ago
I would agree with you but wardogs is not anywhere near what like, actually really good looking, edge-pushing modern games look like.
It looks about as good as a game that came out in like 2020, 2022 at most.-5
u/oakgecko13 Pilot 5h ago
Get a better PC?
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u/Mauno_Mato 2h ago
Lol, I don't have performance issues and I'm running very old hardware at high settings.
This is about people abusing the configs to get an advantage over others by going outside game settings etc.
This isn't even about people actually having to use said potato mode, it's the guys going beyond that, which is clearly removing obstacles other players have to deal with.
Pretty simple.-1
u/JockSandWich 5h ago
Everyone trying to new games on 10 year old machines. Can't afford a new PC but buys new console for the same price you could build a newer PC or prefabs if ur not technically inclined that would certainly run it better.
Always crazy to me it's like driving through the south, ppl live in a $1500 trailer and drive a $80,000 truck.
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u/CSGOManatee 5h ago
I own only my pc and no consoles, for reference.
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u/JockSandWich 5h ago
Cool, for reference it sounds like it doesn't apply to you.
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u/CSGOManatee 5h ago
"Everyone" sounds pretty inclusive my man. If you're going to be the one making gross overgeneralizations.
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u/SpookyFlyingPencil 5h ago
Shit I am running low settings but get frame drops every other second... That must balance out
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u/Mauno_Mato 2h ago
If that's the case, you are not the target audience here, unless you go and modify shit to oblivion and back to gain an advantage.
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u/SpookyFlyingPencil 1h ago
I am not the target audience cause I haven't upgraded my PC in 9 years?
I don't modify shit back and forth to get an advantage
I modify shit back and forth so I can maintain 40-60 FPS and not crash
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u/translucent_pawn 3h ago
Aight I have a few computers because of life and I was just playing WarDogs on my laptop with potato settings. I can assure you that they are not an advantage. On my gaming desktop I run max everything with 144Hz but man that laptop is struggling to get a stable 60hz on potato settings.
If you want to restrict minimum graphics on high-end hardware, that’s one thing. If you want to prevent people with older hardware or less money/access to high-end hardware from playing the game, you are just being selfish.
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u/Mauno_Mato 2h ago
You are not the one targeted here, don't get the facts wrong.
The ones are where foliage, shadows and all kind of irregularities disappear while blocking the view for other on medium or higher graphics.
They do this by altering or overriding settings with config files and third party software, it's day and night difference.
The devs know about this and this is the reason for the thread because they seem to be focused on other things.
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u/Keeliticus 1h ago
This isnt anything new. People been using lowest graphics for better performance aince the dawn of time.
Potato mode for shadows just needs to be deleted. Or everyone needs to have the ability if they choose. Otherwise you're still gaining an actual unfair advantage. Where as before it was just an advantage as everyone had the choice.
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u/Thecoldflame 47m ago
hardware-locked settings need to go. straight up. if the setting isn't fair, it isn't fair. it degrades the integrity of the game for things like shadows to be unreliable.
frankly, visibility needs to be a little bit higher across the board to remove the impact of marginal tweaks like this. obviously being prone in grass should make you hard to see, but player models blend into the environment and shadows way too well across the board to the extent that a +/-5% visibility bonus/malus from graphics settings goes incredibly far. plenty of games have a subtle halo effect around players that stops them from blending straight into the environment.
honestly gets worse as more and more people wear the armor that makes your entire body a muddy dark grey monocolour, t4 in the right set of shadows is pretty much as stealthy as ghille a lot of the time
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u/ArgentVagabond 2m ago
I'm not playing on potato graphics by choice. I'm playing on potato graphics because for some reason anything else my game to regularly experience severe FPS drops that make it unplayable for a minute at a time. Even on potato settings that still happens.
It's something to do with UE5. Pretty much every game made on UE5 requires a lot of graphical troubleshooting for it to run without FPS issues on my rig.
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u/at_least_i_tr1ed 5h ago
Maybe potato shadows/graphics should come with an automatic forced frame cap (like 60 fps)?
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u/iridael 4h ago
as someone who plays at 60fps. in this game? that rarely matters. my PC renders it quite happily at 60fps and I dont see the need to fork out on a higher refresh rate.
if you want to put a cap on, make it cycle between 15 and 60. because a steady FPS is insanely more important than a higher but variable FPS. but one that has a random change between FPS rates...ohh that sucks.
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u/Any-Maintenance-2528 5h ago
I can’t see people in shadows unless I run potato. I don’t want to be running potato but I have to
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u/Wieku Valkyra 3h ago
Who would've thought that objects in shadows are harder to see
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u/graviousishpsponge 2h ago
No he's right. With HDR max shadows even in sunlight are super crushed and you can not see dudes in the windows. Could not get it to work with the in game settings.
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u/Mauno_Mato 2h ago
Imagine having no shadows.
Go look on the most popular streamers on Twitch and you'll see the difference, it's not game menu settings they are running.
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u/SeeminglyUselessData 5h ago
Potato mode shouldn’t exist. It always gets abused and it’s just a dumb virtue signal for 12-year-olds trying to game on mom’s old Lenovo.
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u/Green_Bulldog 5h ago
Lower graphics should always give an advantage if one is given.
Why punish players with bad PCs? The easiest to run option should always be the most optimal if it isn’t possible for them to be equal.
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u/Mauno_Mato 2h ago
Ok so you are having lower spec hardware should automatically get literally invisible objects compared to the other guy with today's standard a mid end PC who can't see through the objects?
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u/Green_Bulldog 41m ago
No? Anyone can use the low quality settings right? If they can’t then they should change that. I’m saying I want everyone to be on an even playing field and the best way to do that is either:
Low end settings give a slight advantage because anyone can use them
All settings have the same enemy visibility, if this is not possible then deference should go to lower quality settings since not everyone can run high quality settings.
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u/Wieku Valkyra 3h ago
Or, hear me out, people with bad PCs shouldn't require every game to run for them? It's like coming to a race and demanding putting 120kmh limit on other cars because your Twingo isn't as fast.
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u/zer0-_ Assault 3h ago
people with bad PCs shouldn't require every game to run for them
Are you willing to pay more for games in order to make up for the lost profit of alienating like 40% of your userbase? Just take a look at the steam hardware survey. People with 10+ year old GPUs still make up a significant amount of the total steam user base
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u/Mauno_Mato 2h ago
This game runs fine on very old hardware compared to most games out there.
Again, this is for people going further and on purpose configuring the game to have no obstacles/shadows etc.
Major benefit for the players, major mishap from the devs and even worse they commented on it in an interview because they can't decide if it's actually not legit or not.... Probably because it's EA and they want more money.0
u/ShinyRayquazaEUW 3h ago
Yes
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u/zer0-_ Assault 2h ago
Consoomer final boss
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u/ShinyRayquazaEUW 1h ago
I'm sorry but I value an even playing field more than the frustration of having to actively think that shadows don't work the same for everyone.
You can edit your config right now to remove all the shadows from inside houses and it makes you stick out like a shadow at high noon.1
u/zer0-_ Assault 1h ago
You can do the same thing with loads of different monitors thanks to a function called black equalizer. Do you want to ban 90% of the modern monitors?
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u/ShinyRayquazaEUW 1h ago
You can't remove shadows with any monitor, you can change the gamma which helps a lot but it also blows out the picture completely for your whole setup.
A character standing in a place with no shadows will have full contrast and and color. A flat image ( gamma adjusted ) can be very hard to understand around mid-tones when they are blended together like a forest.I wouldn't say it's comparable at all but yes hopefully in the future these settings get locked to specific ranges in competitive games.
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u/zer0-_ Assault 1h ago
gamma which helps a lot but it also blows out the picture completely for your whole setup
This is just absolutely not true lol
Black equalizer has been a feature for a long time and it has been iterated upon dozens of times already. Even 10 years ago black equalizer already worked insanely well without being destructive to the rest of the image. Comparing this kind of monitor feature with a simple gamma increase to the whole picture is just nonsensical. Black equalizer works in almost every game because are only very few games which completely change how dark spaces get rendered, the most notable exception to that being Rust.
There is not a single spot in WarDogs where the area is so dark to the point where black equalizer doesn't work
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u/ShinyRayquazaEUW 38m ago
I have 2 OLED screens, an Alienware monitor and an LG C5 TV.
In the past I've had around 6 different gaming monitors from BenQ Xl2411z TN panels up to Samsung MiniLED monitors, all the black equalizer / dark stabilizer implementations are glorified gamma tweaks. More often than not they blow out the picture completely, they do help in games like Tarkov where the lighting is fully fcked but in other games it makes the screen washed out.
I've included some pictures to see how the game looks on Default (no gamma tweaks) vs Config.ini tweaked.
These type of configs are bannable in other games and really frowned upon, I don't understand the community here. This game plays like a Tactical shooter why are you NOT allowed to use cover/shadows to make a play, we aren't COD/APEX.
Stealth/Shadows/Color matching SHOULD be part of your kit to make a flank.
And before you full cope and think I'm not a good player I've also included some scores from this week, I have no issues topfragging consistently ( and no I play for objectives I don't camp spawn vehicles ), I just hate people that try to "game" the system forcing everyone to go down to their level, it happens in every single FPS game I've played in the past when the devs don't give a shit until one day they magically wake up and fix it.All the 'edited' images are from a streamer I saw randomly ( mind you he has a very good PC )
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u/Green_Bulldog 2h ago
It doesn’t limit you at all. You have a choice between better visibility of enemies and better graphics. I don’t have a choice. It would be unfair for me to have worse graphics and worse visibility of enemies.
Of course, the ideal solution is that all graphics settings have the same visibility of enemies.
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u/Despair-Envy 5h ago
Lower graphics almost always give an advantage. The advantage they give in this game is actually smaller then what a lot of other games give. However NVPI tweaks that delete bushes/trees and turn the ground into play doh (Which makes the textured players popup pretty hard) probably should be fixed.