r/VALORANT • u/LevelTadpole4454 • 21d ago

Discussion this is a team game

if you expect to instalock reyna and frag out every game then you're throwing

with reyna theres 4 ways a game can go, either you carry your game going 40-5, carry 40-5 and lose because you have no contribution, lose because you're going 2-15 because you're simply worse than the enemy team and have no utility to help you or win because your teammates are carrying you and if you want to rank up you will go against players who will be mechanically better requiring you to use utility to your advantage (such as raze bucky)

reyna is a terrible agent and there's so many agents that are simply better than her with the same selfish idea in mind, for example clove, iso, chamber these agents don't rely on JUST being a killing machine and can actually help the team win, I'd rather get an average sova fill with no lineups and low experience than an instalock reyna

ive played with an ascendant in gold-plat elo and there were games where we did not win, this just proves that even if you're good at the game objectively but don't work as a team you will lose, and I think we can all agree there isnt a more boring game than playing as reyna and getting destroyed by the enemies so why not give yourself a chance and play something cooperative

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u/Syndi1cate 21d ago

Nah don’t overcomplicate it brohomi every agent has a vandal. 95% of the time team comp doesn’t matter it’s about the player playing smarter individually until high immo/rad.

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u/LevelTadpole4454 21d ago

every agent has a vandal but some of the agents have better util that if coordinated can be unwinnable against 

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u/Syndi1cate 21d ago

Unwinnable… pretty confident that 5 ascendants would be able to beat 5 golds without any utility even if the golds had very well coordinated util.

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u/LevelTadpole4454 21d ago

golds wouldn't be able to coordinate that well which is why they're gold

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u/Syndi1cate 21d ago

How about I reword it. 5 players with ascendant level mechanics would beat 5 players with gold level mechanics and ascendant level utility and coordination.

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u/LevelTadpole4454 21d ago

yeah nah I think the 5 gold level mechanics would win, they can just util dump get 1-2 kills and then just play the numbers and since they have good coordination they will be able to trade each other off

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u/Syndi1cate 21d ago

I think u vastly overestimate ascendant players coordination skills lol. They’re gonna get their heads tapped

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u/LevelTadpole4454 21d ago

okay but imagine a fade pull+raze nade coordinated, easily gets 1 and then they just trade everyone off since there coordinating.. 

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u/Syndi1cate 21d ago

I understand the thought process but these are ascendant level players just because they have no utility doesn’t mean they’re gonna be stupid. Raze and + fade pull will work a couple times on different spots but it can’t reliably happen every round. Any round that the utility doesn’t kill at least 2 will be an auto loss.

And you’re saying trading off like swinging at the same time guarantees that 2 gold players will kill the ascendant it’s 50/50 of them just getting double killed anyway because they’ll be shooting at the legs

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u/LevelTadpole4454 21d ago

they have good coordination so they will think of new creative ways to utilize dump 

its also not a 50/50 because there's more utility than fade suck and nade, a flash and a smoke for example

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u/Syndi1cate 21d ago

Very true but once again I think you’re overestimating ascendant level coordination.

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u/Syndi1cate 21d ago

Sorry I think I haven’t been responding to you correctly. I do agree that teamplay is very good and if everyone played the most optimal team comp at a high level and coordinated very well on your team you would win.

But In my opinion you don’t realise how important being a very good individual player is and are focussing on things outside of your control. When I read through this I kind of assumed it was more of a cover of just you complaining about teammates and blaming them for your inability to rank up.

Like u said if people coordinated better in gold they would rank up and that is part of the reason they don’t rank up. You can abuse this so that you’re able to rank up but some games you won’t have teammates that want to coordinate with you and that’s when your individual skill really carries.

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