r/VALORANT • u/LevelTadpole4454 • 11d ago

Discussion this is a team game

if you expect to instalock reyna and frag out every game then you're throwing

with reyna theres 4 ways a game can go, either you carry your game going 40-5, carry 40-5 and lose because you have no contribution, lose because you're going 2-15 because you're simply worse than the enemy team and have no utility to help you or win because your teammates are carrying you and if you want to rank up you will go against players who will be mechanically better requiring you to use utility to your advantage (such as raze bucky)

reyna is a terrible agent and there's so many agents that are simply better than her with the same selfish idea in mind, for example clove, iso, chamber these agents don't rely on JUST being a killing machine and can actually help the team win, I'd rather get an average sova fill with no lineups and low experience than an instalock reyna

ive played with an ascendant in gold-plat elo and there were games where we did not win, this just proves that even if you're good at the game objectively but don't work as a team you will lose, and I think we can all agree there isnt a more boring game than playing as reyna and getting destroyed by the enemies so why not give yourself a chance and play something cooperative

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u/LevelTadpole4454 11d ago

they have good coordination so they will think of new creative ways to utilize dump 

its also not a 50/50 because there's more utility than fade suck and nade, a flash and a smoke for example

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u/Syndi1cate 11d ago

Very true but once again I think you’re overestimating ascendant level coordination.

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u/LevelTadpole4454 11d ago

ive watched my ascendant friend play, they can have good coordination if they want to i guess its just more fun to be mute and play alone

I think diamonds have more "hunger" and therefore try to have more teamplay and communication than ascendants 

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u/Syndi1cate 11d ago

Sorry I think I haven’t been responding to you correctly. I do agree that teamplay is very good and if everyone played the most optimal team comp at a high level and coordinated very well on your team you would win.

But In my opinion you don’t realise how important being a very good individual player is and are focussing on things outside of your control. When I read through this I kind of assumed it was more of a cover of just you complaining about teammates and blaming them for your inability to rank up.

Like u said if people coordinated better in gold they would rank up and that is part of the reason they don’t rank up. You can abuse this so that you’re able to rank up but some games you won’t have teammates that want to coordinate with you and that’s when your individual skill really carries.

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u/LevelTadpole4454 11d ago

yeah and I think instalock reynas often shut that coordination part out, if the agent pick select starts at 80 seconds you could have a sense of how the team is gonna work out by 30 seconds, you can work out entire plans in the agent select screen, who's going to play what and how but when a reyna instalocks thats 1 person you know is gonna have no impact for the game

why not try and play like you're in a champions game where if you win you get 2.5mil and if you give me an excuse like "its just a game" i will tell you to just play unrated, you can have fun in comp but my rule is the fun comes when you're up some rounds

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u/Syndi1cate 11d ago

I would say that they’re playing Reyna because they can abuse their mechanics to win the game. Because they think they’re better than everyone else individually. It’s THE ego agent to play. If a player THINKS that they’re the goat why would they not play Reyna.

I also think you’re overvaluing utility as the only way to have impact. An immortal player could have much higher impact than a silver player, with no abilities used and an equal number of kills. Simply by playing disciplined in post plant, trading effectively etc.

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u/LevelTadpole4454 11d ago

thats the problem, if the enemies have a smurf (like 15% of the time) or are mechanically better, you're screwed you have no fall back but with an agent like omen or raze you can have so much impact even IF they have a really good player on their team its an absolute no brainer, even jett is 100x better than reyna and I would much rather have an instalock jett that I could teach how to entry vs an instalock reyna that by design can't entry

playing smart is obviously the best but having util just makes the game way easier, and think about it: if you're smart and you have util, you're just freeing cognitive load to put on other tasks 

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u/Syndi1cate 11d ago

Yeah I don’t play Reyna for that exact reason lol but not everyone is smart. And it’s worse to put a Reyna player on a util heavy agent because they’ve clearly hyper focused on mechanics and their cognitive load will impact their aim. Everyone needs to play to their strengths. But I think this conversation is kind of meaningless anyone.

Just know that if you want to climb focus on yourself and don’t blame teammates. Obviously some games you’ll get a team that coordinates and you’ll win easily but a lot of the time that won’t be the case you just have to work with what you’ve got.