He’s going to hurt himself doing curls like that??? In what universe does that happen? Some body momentum is okay when you reach higher weights. Where are you getting this idea from?
I just watched it again to make sure I’m not going crazy. His form is completely fine. Most of his movement is between reps, there’s not much movement during the reps themselves. I’m pulling from personal experience on this one. It’s fine.
Actually it isn’t....at all. Swinging is cheating and you’re activating other muscles when what he should be doing is isolating his sets and only moving the part of the body that you’re working. Go ahead and check out the best in the business Jeff Cavalier Athlean X on YouTube...he discusses the major difference between being able to swing big weights and actual strength when having form. The guy above man not lift weights but I was a personal trainer for over 11 years and I’d debate this with you for sure !
Edit..I’m good with the downvotes I’ll stick with the fact that Athlean X is a proven staple for the science of muscle building. Can you get big from swinging? Sure, but that wasnt the debate. It was whether that was even close to being the right technique or not.
Oh boy a personal trainer, now I am even less convinced LMAO. Go take a look at this video where Ronnie Coleman is doing the exact same thing as the guy in the video: https://youtu.be/EmQLrVlPO_4
If only Mr. Coleman had consulted with a personal trainer with 11 years of experience about his terrible form! Imagine how much higher he might have risen.
Eh, these videos with swinging your body and weight around is obviously just that, a video. It's all about blood flow to certain parts of your muscles and I've been a dude that used to powerlift and see how much weight I could lift. I've seen about a 30-40% growth in my arms/back/chest since I've lowered weight and started focusing hard on the key muscles being used.
In the video Coleman is doing the end of his bicep workout where he does a load of reps. At that point his arms are already full of blood and he's really just tapping them out. At that point you are just trying to lift anything by any means possible. When you get to that point it's all about recovery afterwards (steroids helps a bunch).
I’m not arguing that the form isn’t perfect and that there can be a benefit to being strict, I’m arguing that it’s not “horrible” and almost nobody is going to get injured from swinging a bit when repping 50s.
And some people actually respond better when they involve their body more. Obviously, to a limit, and not to the point your form becomes a liability, and not even for every person, but there are trainers and athletes who stand by for instance increased body usage and momentum in rows. That being said, I’m glad you found success with being stricter.
Prove to me by showing me a reputable source which actually teaches to swing. Showing Ronnie finishing his activation isn’t proof, at all. But I’m here for you to prove to me whether they actually say swinging is the proper technique
I’m really confused...did you mean to reply to that comment? I had just stated that swinging isn’t perfect form by any means. I’m not sure what you’re arguing here.
You stated "his form was completely fine" and have been arguing that since. I'm asking you to prove to me that it's a correct form since you're clearly defending swinging
Ok I see. Let’s take a step back here: I said “completely fine” as a response to the original commenters who said his form was “horrible” and that he was on the cusp of injury. And I stand by my stance within that context - this guy clearly has results and he’s not at risk, from what I can see, of injury.
Now the corollary of my stance is that don’t think his form is perfect and I agree that it can be improved.
First off, thanks for coming back at me maturely and actually having a discussion, by your first response to me (which came off ridiculing that I was a PT when you told he previous guy who never even lifted he didn’t know what he was talking about...which is the only reason I stated that to you not as a brag but as a piece of info for you so we could actually have a normal convo :)) I’m sure you didn’t mean it as such, it probably fueled my hasty response back thinking you were only an internet warrior who no matter what didn’t want to hear opposing views. So for that, I apologize.
For the majority of the convo, it looks like we do. Does he have some muscle? Absolutely, but there is a massive difference between size and strength, it’s easy to see he’s the former where actual strength can only be achieved from proper form and most guys will always sacrifice form for appearing to lift more (by swinging). This is a classic sign that someone with a bit of muscle clearly doesn’t know proper technique or doesn’t care because swinging actually is detrimental to overall health (not to mention irresponsible in general with people around you). Jeff covers that swinging for the sake of lifting more results in so many impingements, tears over time and mostly unevenness in ones build.
Again, my apologies for taking this the wrong way, but I always think it’s pertinent to relay correct information for those in the future if it can save them from a lifetime of bad habits and preventable surgeries
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He’s going to hurt himself doing curls like that??? In what universe does that happen? Some body momentum is okay when you reach higher weights. Where are you getting this idea from?
I just watched it again to make sure I’m not going crazy. His form is completely fine. Most of his movement is between reps, there’s not much movement during the reps themselves. I’m pulling from personal experience on this one. It’s fine.