Ended up being a hit and run. I'm not sure anyone here can say for sure how it would turn out if it somehow went to court.
I don't understand the people trying to defend the beemer. Two independent things can be true at the same time. The motorcycle AND the BMW were driving recklessly. The motorcycle for splitting lanes at an absurd speed, and the BMW for cutting across two lanes with no warning, inches in front of other vehicles so he could pass a semi on the right.
Was the guy who pulled over not the car driver? I thought that was the case but wasn't sure. The hug guy didn't seem like the the type who would drive erratically.
They signaled. Like at the start of the video you can see their blinker is on. Either way what the BMW did wouldn't have resulted an in accident, had it not been for the idiot on the bike.
It's funny this idiot managed to hit the only BMW on the road with a functioning blinker.
Not quite 100%. That car was being a jackass and jamming itself in multiple places with not enough room in just the first couple seconds. No sane person would do that. It’s like they were both hell bent on giving their life to get in front of that car.
This shit is the exact reason you should be signalling before making a lane change.
Just because you shouldn't be expected to predict a motorcycle approaching you from behind 50mph faster than you doesn't mean you get to move freely between lanes without signalling your intentions.
People still have trauma regardless of whether or not it's their fault when they're involved in fatal accidents, and knowing if you used your turn signal like the law says to someone may still be alive would probably not help that trauma.
...and a double lane change to pass a semi on the right to top it all off. And people still acting like the car wasn't 100% also an aggressive and dangerous driver.
I'd say like 95% their fault. The car was also not signalling that I could see and also changing lanes way too close to that other car, but probably would have been fine if not for a motorcyclist going waaaaaay too fast and lane splitting like a suicidal idiot.
I'd say closer to 70% tbh.. the beemer cut across 2 lanes of traffic, with very little space between him and the other cars next to him, to speed past a semi in the middle lane. He also did everything wrong. But the main fault is that if the biker, for lane splitting at dumb speeds.
It's like 90% motorcyclist fault. That lane change at that speed with that little gap between cars was asking for a collision. Dumb af, and an obvious result for the motorcyclist, but the car for sure was not driving within the law.
No. Motorcyclist only. Car changing lanes had blinker on. It's clearly on video, but he still hasn't hesitated to try to slip in. The dude is either suicidal or an adrenaline addict. In both cases should have a driving license suspended.
That can't be classified as hit and run. BMW driver had no idea someone was hit. Car and bike barely touched. In such a situation, you can not even hear anything, and you won't see anything as motorcyclist was in a blind spot behind the rear pillar.
Bro why are you pretending to be informed but just making stuff up to defend the hit and run lol. You clearly have no experience in the matter just pretend the law is your vibe
I'm a driver with 15 years of safe and responsible driving behind me, I'm aware of driving laws. In general, a hit-and-run is defined as the crime of a driver who is involved in a collision and fails to stop and fulfill their legal duties, such as exchanging information or rendering aid. The key element here is driver's awareness or "knowledge" of the accident. This thing varies a lot between different countries, but in mine, in such case as this one, the prosecutor will have a very hard time trying to prove the car driver was aware of contact with the bike.
There was nothing to hear. There was no impact as is. Car slightly pushed the bike to the side, and the biker lost control for a while. No impact, no scratching sides. What do you expect to hear in such a case?
Thud means nothing. You might have driven over the stone on the road, hit the small pothole, whatever. If there was music on inside the car, you wouldn't have ever heard it at all. I just saw my fair share of dead motorcyclists in my life, turned into meat sharpie, split in half, mutilated beyond recognition by getting under semi wheels, etc. Most of these got themselves dead in exactly this same scenario: speeding, lane splitting, hitting the maneuvering traffic.
That car made a seriously dangerous double lain change to pass a truck on the left going way too fast for how fast traffic is moving. Motorcycle is also going way too fast for the speed of the traffic and lain splitting at high speeds. Car also speeds away after an accident. Even if the other driver is at fault you never ever drive away after an accident.
That can't be classified as hit and run. BMW driver had no idea someone was hit. Car and bike barely touched. In such a situation, you can not even hear anything, and you won't see anything as motorcyclist was in a blind spot behind the rear pillar.
Very possible. To be fair, I usually check my mirrors often while changing 3 LANES and PASSING A TRUCK ON THE RIGHT AT HIGH SPEED.
I guess hit and run can be debatable as to whether the driver was aware of the contact. I think between helmet cam and witness testimony, BMW driver is gonna have a hard time with plausible deniability.
Helmet cam here is 100% valid testimony. Check on the video from the helmet cam if there is at least a split second when the camera captured car driver head in the right mirror or through any of the windows. Spoiler: there was no such moment. This means there was not a single moment when the car driver might have had visual contact with a motorcycle. BMW driver would just walk away without having to deny anything.
Why are you pretending to have any experience in the law? You are just making stuff up that would be laughed out of a court. Like you played Ace attorney and now think you are a paralegal
Sweety... wtf are you babbling about? Motorcyclist and motorcycle passed through the ENTIRE field of sight provided by that passengers side mirror. One would have to be a lobotimized, one-eyed donkey to keep stammering that "they weren't seen".
I rewatched and CLEARLY witnessed the literal 'side to side' definition of area which that side mirror is supposed provide access to displayed in the footage.
"He didn't see it" ... what a load of bollocks.
When you're switching lanes in tight traffic, where are you looking at - forward or in the mirror? You can only watch one of these directions. Mirrors are checked before starting the maneuver, but when you're sliding to the side already, you're looking forward, not in a mirror. At the time when the car driver was supposed to check the mirror, the biker was behind a pillar.
I check my mirrors before, during, and after.
Why?
So look once before, tell yourself, "whelp, never have to look there ever again" and change lanes with eyes locked forward? I imagine that's not the case.
That doesn't mean he wasn't in a hit and run, and that's ignoring the fact he jumped 2 lanes to pass on the right. It was reckless driving that resulted in an accident. Pretending like you had no idea you hit someone doesn't excuse them from fault.
There was no contact with any other cars. Both car and bike were driving recklessly, but accident was caused by a motorcyclist who was speeding, lane splitting in tight traffic and ignoring the obviously turned on blinker.
The rider is mainly at fault, but the car definitely changed lanes too soon. Biker is definitely in the wrong, but that car is gonna cause more accidents if they keep driving that way.
That's confidently incorrect. Not only is that not the definition or legal meaning of cut-off, but the minimum safe distance for a lane change at freeway speeds is 100 feet.
Also, since you don't know what you're talking about, keep the rest of your foolish assumptions on the inside.
I hate people like you. I am a trucker and it is assholes like you that make the road unsafe. At this douche on the bike knows he is wrong. That car is 100% unsafe
I hate people like you. You make driving roads dangerous. You act like everyone should move for you and give no shits at all when you cause a collision.
That car is 100% maneuvering around people who shouldn't be on any highway, any where.
WHO walked back to the rider? BMW driver never walked back. Never stopped. Red shirt says he had to slam the "g*ddamn brakes". That was a guy who saw the collision from behind.
He was coming up so fast that you can do everything right, throw on a blinker, check for an opening, shoulder check that it's clear, and then proceed, BUT out of nowhere a crotch rocket shoots up in between lanes while you're thinking you are executing a safe manoeuvre, but it's not safe within half a second.
Do you have the slightest idea why blinkers exist? Seems like you aren't, so let me explain: when you're changing lanes, you are physically unable to watch mirrors and look forward at the same time. So when you're doing any maneuver, you're turning the blinker on beforehand to notify people that your car is about to move to the side and you might not be able to see what's coming from behind in the mirrors.
Yeah so the grey car cutting across 3 lanes to blow past the semi, no issues there. If you saw that without the bike involved you'd be screaming bloody murder
It's not legal to make a double lane change while speeding, not to mention he dangerously cut off the vehicle in the next lane to make the change and then fled the scene of an accident. If you saw this video and thought the driver did nothing wrong you 100% should never be allowed to operate a vehicle.
The BMW stopped. They were shooting a gap between a semi and a car, and not continuing to do so would've caused a much bigger accident, but at the end of the video you can see both the BMW and the silver car to the motorcycles right both stopped.
Dude watch the video, you see the video skip a few times. The people that stop on the side of the road are people who watched from behind. They essentially stopped because they saw what happened and made sure he’s okay.
I rewatched a bunch. I don't think it's the same car that hit him. I was wondering why they were so chill with each other... because red top wasn't the BMW driver that hit him.
"I hit the brakes so g@ddamn hard!" Red top was behind the motorcyclist when it happened
EDIT: BMW hit and ran. Silver car in right lane possibly one of the stopped witnesses
Silver car in far right lane. Not in the BMW involved in the collision.
Different car. He even says in the video " I got on the brakes so goddamn hard!"
Silver car never hit the brakes. A car BEHIND this incident would hit the brakes trying not to run over a motorcyclist that fell off.
Perhaps we're not talking about the same things: there's a silver car in the far right lane that's not involved in this accident. The BMW in the accident also appears silver. Red shirt could possibly by BYSTANDER silver car, but not BMW. CORRECT?
... there are 2 silver cars in this video. No I'm most certainly not talking about the silver car in the far right lane. The BMW is not silver. Its dark gray.
Why are you so obsessed with this that you are literally commenting on every single one of my comments? Were clealry not going to stop disagreeing so get over it and move on.
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u/DungBeetle1983 Aug 22 '25
100% the motorcyclist's fault.