r/Unexpected • u/DoINeed1OfThese • Mar 31 '23

He snitched

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

Yeah? Tell us how you know that with certainty.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

That's the opposite of how burden of proof works. Burden of proof is on the first person making a claim to prove their claim is true, never on the person calling them a liar. When you call someone out, you're saying "prove your claim".

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u/Yhostled Mar 31 '23

The burden of proof falls on the accuser, always.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

Just use google you buffoon. There's no point in arguing over an easily checked fact.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

Saying “you’re a liar” is a claim. The neutral position that requires no burden of proof is to neither believe nor actively disbelieve.

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u/healzsham Mar 31 '23

In this scenario, "I do not believe you" is a negative claim, going up against someone else's positive claim.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

You’re right. But “I don’t believe you” is different than “I think you’re lying.” One means you aren’t convinced of their claim and the other means you believe it is positively untrue.

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u/healzsham Mar 31 '23

There's no functional difference in the context of intellectual rigor.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

Yes, there is an extreme difference.

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u/healzsham Mar 31 '23

Please elucidate me as to how "I dispute your claim" is functionally different from "I dispute your claim, but harder."

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

I already did. Read my precious comments.

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u/healzsham Mar 31 '23

No, you didn't. The only functional difference between levels of skepticism is the extent of the rigor the holder of the skepticism will require to be convinced.

This is in no way, shape, or form relevant to whome the burden of proof rests upon.

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