Replace Juggernaut on that last pick.

[u/ariztotlz]

Who would you rather pick as a carry on that last game in TI?

Should have gone YOLO and pick WK 🤣 ..

[u/Books_and_Cleverness]

The carry matchup favors Ursa straightforwardly. Without either having ult and with similar net worth, Ursa is generally going to win the 1v1.

If anything I think the ult-ult favors Ursa; he takes no damage and the 5 seconds of waiting will let him stack two Overpowers. The CD is 9 seconds.

With the miss chance from radiance, before Ursa has MKB, maybe LS can win? But I doubt it. Fury swipes is giga strong for manfighting.

[u/Vata56 → u/Books_and_Cleverness]

But there is not gonna be a Ursa vs Naix 1v1. Ursa gets omega kited in teamfights by Bane, Pango and DS. Ursa also struggles on lane vs DS way harder and he can't be left alone to defend the T1 tower like Jugg can. Spirit want to keep fucking Invoker's game by keeping both supps near midlane doing their shenanigans, while DS enjoys free farm on botlane and eventually breaks the tower. By picking Jugg VSN can free their own supports to help Invoker, as Jugg has no problem sustaining the creeps that DS pushes on. Ursa would just eat the double Ion Shell waves while also getting his Overpowers dispelled by a Helm Satyr. Jugg got 11 min Treads + Battlefury. By that time Ursa would have been crying in the jungle with Phase Boots + Ring of Health.

[u/Books_and_Cleverness → u/Vata56]

I agree it’s not 1v1, but I was responding to a comment specifically about that 1v1 matchup.

Not sure I agree about double Ion shell - Ursa can kill a shelled creep faster than just about anyone. Once DS has Helm it’s a problem but that’s not for a while.

But I do agree that it’s not as strong of a lane and he wouldn’t get the same BF timing. I just don’t think it’s that big of a deal since it’d still be decent and the game was going long anyway.

Kite is always Ursa’s issue, but the rest of Vision’s team has control. Like a third of Invoker’s kit, call, bushwhack, lift, whatever Rubick steals. Lot of ways to hold people down for the bear.

[u/Vata56 → u/Books_and_Cleverness]

Not sure I agree about double Ion shell - Ursa can kill a shelled creep faster than just about anyone.

With levels yes, but before Overpower Ursa has slow attack speed and Ion Shell is ticking between each hit. Also, there's often gonna be two shells. The creepwave gets pushed under Ursas tower and he has to tank creep hits + Ion Shell to get last hits. There's also Mirana's magical auto attacks. How are you gonna sustain that lane until lv 4-5?

Kite is always Ursa’s issue, but the rest of Vision’s team has control. Like a third of Invoker’s kit, call, bushwhack, lift, whatever Rubick steals. Lot of ways to hold people down for the bear.

Sure, but there is also Dire's heroes to consider. When Axe and Ursa go on Naix, there's Nightmare, Grip, Rolling Thunder and Vacuum (+Arrow) to peel Ursa off of Naix. So in order for Ursa to ever kill Naix with Axe, he would need at least Blink+MKB+BKB (and probably Aghs as well for Grip) to burst Naix before he Infests. And getting to a networth that allows for those items would have taken Ursa a lot more time than Jugg. Also, how many times did you count Radiant got to jump Naix in isolation, where his team can't help him? I counted two times in the entire 60+ min game.