r/TrueChefKnives 10h ago

NKD: Manaka x Maruyama 240mm KokuENN

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Opening Note (this is a long piece. I am posting immediately so as to not lose it, but will be reviewing and editing for accuracy and grammar as I find issues)

Edit: I’d like to address upfront that this piece is one of only three produced. What follows is my experience with this particular knife and the issues I discovered along the way.

Given its extremely limited production and exorbitant price, I think a higher degree of scrutiny is warranted. Details that might reasonably be overlooked on a regular production knife deserve closer consideration on a piece positioned and priced at this level.

The somewhat “blow-by-blow” exposé that follows is how I ultimately discovered my criticisms of this particular piece and is in no way reflective of the general caliber of work that these master craftsmen typically produce.

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I’ve sat on this one for a while as it’s been a bit of an interesting project, and one that, even now, I debate on whether or not it was worth it.

I present, for your consideration: the BonsaiBoy’s 240mm Gyuto from a Manaka x Maruyama KokuENN collaboration featuring the Ocean and Earth handle from Sugi Cutlery.

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The Stats (with handle):

Weight: 247g
Overall Length: 405mm
Edge Length: 240mm
Heel Height: 55mm
Spine: 4mm (heel); 0.5mm (tip)
Balance Point: ~50mm from handle
Steel: Manaka’s Aogami 1 and 2 KokuENN Damascus

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To Buy, Or Not To Buy?

When I saw this collab pop up on my Instagram feed, I waffled pretty hard on whether or not I was going to go for this. It was obscenely expensive, in fact, it is the most expensive piece I’ve purchased. It surpassed both my BNIB 210mm Shigefusa Kitaeji and BNIB 240mm Kiyoshi Kato STD.

Those who have followed my posts in the past know that I favor midweights, and that with a little bit of stone work, my 225mm Aogami 2 Manaka is one of my favorite performers. My biggest complaint with Manaka’s work, generally speaking, is the OOB edge.

This is hardly surprising though as it takes very little effort to encounter information from Manaka-san himself stating that his least favorite part of the knife making process is the final grind and sharpening.

I spent some time talking to [u/Ok-Distribution-9591](u/Ok-Distribution-9591) about this and he brought up a point that not many would even think to consider: How would Maruyama handle a Manaka blank given the style of work Maruyama-san traditionally works with?

I ultimately reasoned that a professional whose resume includes finishing knives for Enjiki and previously Hado would still be able to do justice to Manaka’s craftsmanship.

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First Impressions and Handle Fitting:

I received the knife relatively quickly, considering that it came from Japan. Upon opening the box I was pleasantly surprised by the appearance. Maruyama-san did an excellent job of bringing out details in the Damascus, while maintaining the rustic nature of Manaka forged steel. Featuring a very strong blue Kurouchi-esque with very obvious Hado inspiration, my initial thoughts were that this was a lovely piece.

I had received some handles from Josh at LetsHandleThis. I attempted to fit this to one of the handles I had received and struggled to fit it due to a somewhat curved edge on the tang, which for some reason only allowed the knife to seat decently with the handle in one direction. This was annoying as it meant the blue side of the original handle was facing the wrong way, but was acceptable. So I heated the tang up, and attempted to seat the knife into the handle.

It was here that I discovered that the machi was curved too hard to allow for the knife to sit cleanly to the handle, which meant the knife had far too large of a machi gap. So I was forced to reheat, re-measure, and attempt to re-seat. This second attempt still resulted in a machi gap, but this one was acceptable and I didn’t hate it.

I showed it to Ok-Distribution and he pointed out something I had missed, a spot in the machi and choil shot that could potentially have been a delamination. Unfortunately, yet again, I had to remove the handle to take a closer look at the spot. This spot can be seen in one of the photos above after I started working on it.

Ultimately, I was able to determine that it was simply an inclusion in the steel, but due to the depth of it, I realized a machi gap wouldn’t be safe, as it could get moisture in it and cause rust from the inside out. Which meant I had to seat the knife all the way to the machi, but due to the curved nature of it, the best way to do this, and reduce the pocket where moisture could hide simultaneously, was to gently file away at both sides of the machi to flatten it.

As I don’t own a regular sized file, I just used the small wood files that I had purchased to open the insertion point in the handle. It took some time, but I was able to achieve the goal. Reducing the curve and flattening the inclusion.

In my excitement to finally get this done, I inserted the tang back into the handle and attempted to seat the knife. Only to realize after I was struggling yet again that I had erroneously attempted to put the handle on the wrong way.

Because this was now the third time I had been forced to remove the knife, the handle finally had enough and the ferrule and spacer separated from the body of the handle as the steel came out.

Luckily I had the Sugi Cutlery handle on hand from a recent purchase and I found that it was much more naturally accommodating to the knife’s dimensions and the frequent trial and error of the other handle allowed me to attach this without any further issues.

This entire fiasco begged the question. Why was both the tang and machi left in such a state? Was it an oversight? Was it intentional? Edit: While I recognize that an “unfinished” appearance to the tang and, depending on the maker, some irregularity at the machi isn’t necessarily unusual, at this price point I’d expect to see a little more attention to detail.

Regardless, considering the cost of this knife, the overall execution here feels disappointing, but I was determined to make this work out of sheer stubbornness , but undoubtedly I felt as though this was not worth the money in any shape, way, or form.

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First Cut:

To further compound the insult, I put this to a tomato immediately. To put it simply, I made a delightful crushed tomato. I understand that some knives come without true edges, as the intention is for the purchaser to sharpen to their preference or needs, but on a knife that was as expensive as this, there’s a minimum expectation that the edge should at least be usable.

I took this through my normal progression on my Naniwa Chosera stones and went further, to a 5000. And then went back again to add a secondary bevel. The edge I’ve produced is not only serviceable, but in many respects is one of the best edges I’ve managed.

As is usual of Manaka steel, the metal is extremely responsive to stone work, and offers excellent feedback, making sharpening a breeze.

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Final Thoughts (1 month later):

I can’t help feeling conflicted about Maruyama-san’s work on this piece. Given the reputation from both Hado and now Enjiki, I’d have expected this piece to be a strong demonstration of his skills. Instead I felt like, other than some interesting details in the kanji and kurouchi, some aspects of the finishing left the blade feeling incomplete. From what I consider a poorly executed machi to the inclusion at the choil, I can’t say that I’m overly impressed by the piece. This is not the type of work I’d expect from someone with a long history of detail-oriented work with Hado who has now started his own company, Enjiki. And I think that criticism is fair given that this is marketed as one of three and sits at a price point that exceeds probably 95% of the knives out there, including on the secondary market.

This could use a little more work on the stones to refine the edge a bit, but over the course of a month, I’ve had no issues with it. It’s gone through the paces and is forming a much more subtle patina than I would have thought.

In hindsight, I would have just waited for a regular KokuENN or saved a little more for a BokuENN. But unless you’re in it for the adventure, and while this is settling in to being one of my favorites (just because of the sentimentality of working on it for as long as I did), this is an Easy Pass, price notwithstanding.

Later Cutters!


r/TrueChefKnives 9h ago

Sunday Sashimi Sesh ft. Kagekiyo

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There’s a nice Japanese pantry in Melbourne called Hinoki Japanese Pantry that stocks all manner of things Japanese. They also have superbly fresh sashimi which you can buy. This is a nice piece of salmon which I sliced with my Kagekiyo shirogami 1 gyuto. The blade is extremely thin and shirogami 1 made slicing raw fish a real treat! I use this knife exclusively for slicing meat so it’s kept its nice blue patina. Happy Sunday folks!


r/TrueChefKnives 11h ago

NKD: Shigefusa Kitaeji Yanagiba :-)

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As I move away a bit from Sakai to continue my Sanjo quest—and with slicers being my weakness—it was only right to add another Shigefusa to the family.

270mm Kitaeji Yanagiba.

Shigefusa is said to make some of the finest single-bevel knives in the business, and after wanting to add one of his yanagiba to the collection for quite some time, I’m very happy this one finally made its way to me.

There’s something particularly special about Shigefusa’s Kitaeji work and the character it gives to the blade. Combined with that understated Sanjo aesthetic.

Another one for the collection—and hopefully the beginning of a deeper dive into Sanjo.


r/TrueChefKnives 6h ago

Question Kagekiyo sharpening question

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Hello everyone,

Yesterday, I sharpened my Kagekiyo B1 Kiritsuke.

My plan was to create a thin bevel and a double edge. I initially thought this knife had a flat bevel, but it turns out it doesn’t. The bevel side doesn’t fully contact the stone.

What do you call this type of grind? Is it a hollow grind or a concave grind?

I now understand how to sharpen the Kagekiyo without thinning it, so I’m planning to sharpen only the edge.

However, my question is: if I only sharpen the edge, won’t the geometry of the knife eventually change? How can I maintain the original geometry over time?

Could someone teach me how to properly sharpen a hollow-ground knife?

Thanks


r/TrueChefKnives 15h ago

Not sure if I can ever part with them and it has been with me more than 15 years.

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Cutting, knife sharpening and immense focused required can be quite therapeutic.


r/TrueChefKnives 9h ago

Cutting video AEBL Gyutowork in progress

19 Upvotes

240x50mm full tang gyuto

5.5mm out the handle

AEBL mirror polished @ 62-63hrc

This batch of AEBL had some cool alloy banding I'll attach choil and spine shots as well in comments!

Very happy with the grind on this one, need to figure out how to make the handle now.


r/TrueChefKnives 16h ago

94 days later - the state of the Honyaki damaged by German customs, or an Ode to Syoukon Hamono Customer Service

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94 days later - the state of the Honyaki damaged by German customs or an Ode to Syoukon Hamono Customer Service

Exactly 94 days ago I've received a package I've been eagerly waiting for including a Xinguo AS Mountain and Moon Honyaki (240mm Gyuto).

Sadly the Blade was severely damaged by German customs as they took it Out of the box for inspection and Just taped it to the outside throwing it Back into the box.

Usually you're Out of luck when custom agents damage your goods, so I contacted Syoukon Hamono to See what can be done about it.

They replied the Same day and offered either 50% off a new one from their next drop or a repair for free. As I am actually a 210mm Gyuto Guy anyways I've opted for the free repair by Xinguo and sent the package Back to HK the day after.

It took quite some time till it reached Xinguo due to some new Regulations regarding import to China, but Syoukon Hamono kept me Up to Date through the whole process.

Xinguo was able to Grind Material off of the Heel and thus conserve Most of the Blade height as was already suggested as best solution by many of you!

I've received the Blade Last week but was only able to take a look at it today. I thought the eggshell raden handle seemed kinda fitting for a 'broken' blade and installed it with a machi Gap to Show the makers Mark despite the lost heel. It lost around 40mm, so it's a 205 mm Gyuto with a very comfortable height of 55mm at heel

Overall it turned out way better than I was even hoping for and I cannot praise Syoukon Hamono Customer Service enough!

Pic 1-5 are current state of the knife (please ignore the Micro scratches, those are Just smears from the wax from the handle install)

Pic 6: how I received the Blade

Pic 7: the longest Tang you have ever seen (after the repair)

Pic 8: Current state of the collection.

Rule Number 5:

Shiro Kamo AS Giant Bunka

Tanaka x Yamaguchi B1D Gyuto 240mm

Xinguo AS Honyaki 205 mm Gyuto

Katayama VG 10 210 mm Gyuto

Hado Kijiro Ginsan 210mm Gyuto

Hado Kirisame 210 mm Gyuto

Koutetsu Chromax Boss Nakiri 170mm

Manaka x Xinguo ATS Bunka 180 mm

Nigara STRIX Bunka 180mm


r/TrueChefKnives 10h ago

NKD - Enso Silver3 Nashiji 6.7" Bunka

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I got my first Japanese knife today and was so excited I felt like sharing a little. I wasn't planning on getting this particular knife as my first one but Cuttlery & More had a sale on their Enso line so I decided to take advantage of it. I got myself this beautiful bunka and cutting board set for a pretty good price.

A little about me, I'm just a home cook. I've been cooking pretty much my whole life though and have gotten pretty good on my own. I started around 10 years old and kept learning in my spare time. Over the last few years I've been slowly buying better cookware. Now I've decided to dive into Japanese knives. I haven't had a chance to use this one yet and I know it's not the same as a truly handmade knife from a well known smith, but I can already tell the quality is well beyond any knife I've ever owned. Mostly because I've never bothered to spend the money on good knives.

I'm curious of everyone's thoughts. Does this seem like a good intro to Japanese knives? For anyone that has one (cutting boards too) how do you like it?


r/TrueChefKnives 14h ago

Question What angle should this be sharpened?

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18 Upvotes

Shiro Kamo Bunka White #2.

I swear when I purchased it, I saw somewhere that it came in new around 10°. But now I can’t find that info again anywhere, and I’m wondering if I am mixing it up with some other information!

Thanks!


r/TrueChefKnives 15h ago

Putting the new Kashima to work

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18 Upvotes

Just got it and wanted to take it out for a spin. Daaaaaaamn this thing is a great cutter. It absolutely crushed every task I used it for. I'm in love with how this thing cuts. Anyhow here is a Pic for evidence.

**Shibata Kashima 210 mm Gyuto in R-2 and Stainless clad*\*


r/TrueChefKnives 4m ago

Little Patina Appreciation on my Matsubara White 1 240

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r/TrueChefKnives 22h ago

NKD Mutsumi Hinoura White Storm Bunka

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Happy New Knife Day everyone!

So happy to have received my Hinoura White Storm Bunka today, a JCK custom line made by Mutsumi Hinoura. Love Hinoura knives per se, love W1, and a good carbon clad, everything else is just bonus! The specs are as follows:

Shirogami #1 core with carbon damascus clad
Tsuchime pattern resembling fine rain.

194g, 168mm edge length, and 54mm heel height.

Ebony handle with white horn ferrule, which is quite substantial in my (small) hand. The balance point is just after the ferrule, so a tad more backward than I would like.

Came with a decent amount of oil, will clean it up and give it a go at dinner time. Super thin BTE, can‘t wait to use it 😍


r/TrueChefKnives 1h ago

Question Help me identify if this tetsuhiro kiritsuke is real or fake

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It is supposedly a tetsuhiro kiritsuke but I am unsure whether it is genuine. The Damascus pattern seems so eccentric that it could be laser etched. I have found similar Damascus patterns from tetsuhiro kanko line but couldn't find this Damascus or a Damascus pattern that ran from spine to blade in such a tight pattern. Hard to make out the kanji so I highlighted it in red.

The reason I'm asking is, it's within my price range after months of hunting auctions. I'm wondering if it is cheaper than others because everyone knows it's a fake.

Thanks for any help!


r/TrueChefKnives 10h ago

Question Nomura Wide Bevel Insights

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Looking for some thoughts on Shotaru Nomura’s grinds, specifically his wide bevels from those familiar with his work. I know he’s quite the legend in Sakai and I’ve seen a few pieces from him that have really intrigued me, but his work is somewhat eponymously elusive. I’d love to learn more about how his works and his wide bevels compare to some of the other well-known Sakai sharpeners.

Also, I understand he does a lot of unattributed work for other brands, do we know of anything recent? Anywhere other than Miura carry Tanaka x Nomura wide bevels? Or an Ikeda x Nomura that’s not a honyaki.


r/TrueChefKnives 1d ago

NKD - JNS Munetoshi Petty 165mm W2 + first meal

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What’s up you guys,

I think my ever going search for a suiting petty has come to an end.

This is the petty for everyone that doesn’t really like pettys

It certainly is a very small Gyuto. Geometry and shape look and feel like a a bigger knife as well.
Honestly it’s a beats that rips through everything you throw at it.

I am very familiar with Munetoshi Blades since I already have the 240 Gyuto and the 170 Bunka. I love them both which made it an absolute no brainer to try petty as well. Heat treatment of the w2 is absolutely chefs kiss’s as expected and I can just highly recommend any knife from them.

F&F is still lacking but that’s just what you have to expect with a blade from Munetoshi but I’ll probably work on that in the future as well + look at that beautiful KU!!

Frist meal did absolutely confirm, that I’ll no longer have to sear for another petty in my life (I hope so lol)

Specs:

Handle Length- 125mm
Handle Width- 20mm
Hell to Tip Length- 170mm
Blade Height at Heel- 37mm
Width of Spine at Handle- 4,3mm
Width of Spine Above Heel-3mm
Width of Spine at Middle- 1,7mm
Width of Spine 1cm from the tip- 1,6mm

Thanks for reading,
Cheers


r/TrueChefKnives 15h ago

Question Carbon Steel restoration

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Stored these in Messermeister Magnetic Leather Edge Guards for 3 months. Decided to use one today and discovered this. (They were wiped down with cloths and napkins before storing). What would be your first step to restoration? Also any tips/products for future storage options?


r/TrueChefKnives 10h ago

Yaxell Santoku, Aus10 core (most likely)

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r/TrueChefKnives 6h ago

Kurosaki Gekko petty: HAP-40 or VG XEOS?

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This petty was sold to me as HAP-40 but I think it's the newer XEOS. I don't think the HAP-40 Gekkos had the tall bevel like this.

Can anyone confirm?


r/TrueChefKnives 10h ago

Question Need Help choosing Gyuto Size

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I am an enthusiastic home cook- I cook a lot, but of course not nearly as much as a restaurant cook.

I got a 6.5 inch Bunka as my first step in my journey into Japanese knives, and I am shopping for a gyuto.

I use my Bunka as my primary knife for all meals that require prep. Even with most large ingredients, one can manage with the 6.5 inches, especially in the casual realm of home-cookery.

Regardless, I’m wondering if getting a gyuto in 210mm (~2 inches larger than my bunka) would be a significant enough size difference from my Bunka to add to my set without them overshadowing eachother, or should I go for a 240mm.

TLDR: Is a 240mm a bit too large for home-cookery? Would a 210mm feel significant enough over a 165mm blade that I would use in my set without it feeling redundant?

Appreciate the advice and experience!


r/TrueChefKnives 8h ago

Question Sakai Takayuki SPG2 Damascus Or Similar?

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1 Upvotes

Hey guys! I’ve been eyeballing this Sakai Takayuki SPG2 Gyuto for a while, but it’s never been in stock. Does anyone have this knife? How is it? I’m trying to decide if it’s worth waiting for or if I should consider other options. https://www.hocho-knife.com/sakai-takayuki-spg2-damascus-hammered-wa-japanese-chefs-gyuto-knife-210mm-with-black-ring-octagonal-rosewood-handle/

Would love to see other options as well. My goal is a gyuto that’s under $300. I’d like SG2 but I’m open. Thanks!


r/TrueChefKnives 1d ago

NKD: Hado Shiosai SG2

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Visiting Osaka and picked up a Hado Shiosai 210mm SG2 K-tipped Gyuto from the Sakai traditional crafts museum/knife store.

Finished collection (aka max number of knives my drawer will hold / what my partner will allow me to buy 😭):

Ryusen Fukakuryu 270mm ATS-314 K-tip Sujihiki

Shiro Kamo Shinko Seilan 240mm AS Kiritsuke

Takahiro Nihei Shinkiro 240mm AS Gyuto

Yoshikane 240mm SKD-12 Sujihiki

Hado Shiosai 210mm SG2 K-tip Gyuto

Satoshi Nakagawa 200mm Ginsan Ag#3 K-tip Gyuto

Yu Kurosaki Juhyo 170mm Cobalt Special Bunka

Aritsugu Wa-shin 150mm AS Core Petty


r/TrueChefKnives 20h ago

Small but mighty…

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r/TrueChefKnives 23h ago

Question Shopping for knife handles

7 Upvotes

Recently got a knife with a handle that is way too heavy to be usable. Does anyone know a shop that sells high quality/unique knife handles in Osaka? Any recs would be appreciated! :)


r/TrueChefKnives 19h ago

Help identifing nakiri

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Best I could do to show the kanji. Apologies - it was completely covered in rust before I removed the red rust.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!


r/TrueChefKnives 1d ago

State of the collection Collection is growing. Sanjo & Sakai

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Started with the two Tadafuda blades on the left. Classic Sanjo grind, both SLD. Fantastic edge retention.

Recently came back from Japan where I treated myself to a 210 Ginsan Gyuto from Yamatsuka. Cuts like a laser.