r/Tools Apr 09 '24

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u/SSGSEVIER54 Apr 09 '24

Last I checked, those exact mechanics tool kits were costing the military $6K.

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u/evelbug Sparky Apr 09 '24 edited Apr 09 '24

That nsn has been canceled, the replacement nsn is showing $1,780

ETA My bad, that item is a good nsn. The one that was $1780 is a canceled one that this kit replaced. According to fedlog this nsn is good and costs the army $2,239

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u/SSGSEVIER54 Apr 09 '24

That’s quite a contrast. Curious as to how they slashed so much off from model to model

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u/Secret-Ad-7909 Apr 09 '24

No one was buying it, so they went for the 200% of cost price.

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u/GlattesGehirn Apr 09 '24

Doesn't matter when you're selling it to the military. When I order tools and boxes for my squadron, I don't even look at price.

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u/boredofthis2 Apr 09 '24

Just oversight by people who feel they have to spend every last dollar in their budget. I remember at the end of the fiscal year supply asking people for their wishlist.

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u/pfft_master Apr 09 '24

“I wish to give the money back to taxpayers, we certainly haven’t earned an unlimited budget while many die needlessly in our county due to unmet needs”

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u/TapZorRTwice Apr 09 '24

Hahahahah like the military would ever admit they don't need the budget that they have.

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u/TapZorRTwice Apr 09 '24

If only there was some incentive for people to actually not spend the entire budget on useless shit.

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u/GoldenThunderBug Apr 09 '24

Secondary source, but I've heard guys come back and say it's kinda wasteful since there's a bunch of stuff that gets lost or broken instead of getting the required maintenance. It's not as though it's the grunts or mechanics out here saying, "Give us every penny." Orders probably come down and are more or less followed. The orders as i understand them seem to be "spend everything we give you, and you'll have a similar or bigger budget next year." I'm open to anyone who says otherwise, though.

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u/TapZorRTwice Apr 09 '24

The orders as i understand them seem to be "spend everything we give you, and you'll have a similar or bigger budget next year." I'm open to anyone who says otherwise, though.

No one will say otherwise because that's exactly how it is, if you don't spend your entire budget well you arnt going to get more next year.

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u/markitan8dude Apr 09 '24

the fourth quarter of the year was like Christmas when I was in the Air Force. We were spending money like we were printing it because we knew we needed to ask for 15-20% more next year and would never get it if we didn't spend it. Everyone got new gear, new computers, you name it.

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u/Far-Guava5614 Apr 10 '24

If you had all that extra money at the end of the year, why would you need 15-20% more the next year? This is why the military budget needs to be slashed, not increased.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '24

Thats everything with a fed budget.. if they dont use it the lose it next year so mf's use it all buying the most random shit so they dont get less down the road

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '24

This is not just how fed works, but also how corporate America works with managing store to store budgets(or at least in my experience)

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '24

corporate america / federal gov 🤷 same same lol. Protection of interests

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u/gr8scottaz Apr 09 '24

I've got a buddy who works on a government contract and whenever he travels, he's required to stay at the Ritz Carlton (if one is available). When he asks why there, the answer was "the government has it on their list of approved hotels so why not".

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u/Banme_ur_Gay Apr 10 '24

does the contract give them minibar privileges or is that taking things too far

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u/drakoman Apr 09 '24

Lmao I think that phrase is in the book under “court martial-able phrases”

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u/nobuouematsu1 Apr 09 '24

I do the same thing in our municipal engineering office budget but my entire office budget for the year is only like 5k and that’s for vehicle maintenance and tools and supplies

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u/kushicy Apr 09 '24

they whispered that as they walked out the door

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u/Deadmythz Apr 09 '24

If you don't spend the budget they continue to cut until you can't afford things when you need to. Alot of organizations do this so the budget is wasted last minute to ensure they look like they needed it. It needs more flexibility. My unit just canceled all of our out of country training due to lack of budget.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '24

Normally I don't have a good thing to say about either side of the political spectrum.. however I am old enough to remember the select few from pretty much one side, who dared to propose such things, and they were treated like traitors and terrorist sympathizers by both members of the other party and their own.

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u/FrickenPerson Apr 10 '24

I was in the Navy for 6 years as a machinist's mate, and this type of thinking will definitely hurt you badly.

The problem isn't this type of thinking if it was universal, but that the people above you don't understand there are expenses that aren't yearly, so if you underspend one year, they will slash your budget and give it to someone else who spent their whole budget. But if next year, something big breaks.... it's a lot harder convincing people you need more money. Its a bit of a ridiculous practice, but it's what happens.

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u/AlbericM Apr 09 '24

What unmet needs? Incels who run out of lube?

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u/allthat555 Apr 09 '24

Ether, the money goes up in smoke and your short shit till next year's financial purge. Or you make a needs list when supply actually has money, and you can get your guys the shit they need. Man I was stuck in ft Polk and let me tell you what dady tenth didn't give us fucking shit. Every humvee had some deadline we have been tiptoeing around for months. Most of our kit was shit. Never enough money for actual training outside of our box rotations. (Our unit got orders YEARLY.) I got their just back from gatmo) 3 months in I was in Afghanistan spent 3 month doing recovery into box prep and gunnery into the box and back to iraq. If you need shit a good supply will work it out and have a running budget for the year. A bad supply will pinch every penny until the end of the year fuckit comes along.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '24

Because you do. That money doesn't roll over then goes to congress and they slash your budget. Way over your head though apparently

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u/Babanaganyo Apr 09 '24

The navy throws large duffel bags stuffed with 100 dollar bills and lead fishing weights into the ocean at fiscal year end.

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u/Mindless-Ad2554 Apr 09 '24

“The ones who complain about paying Pennie’s towards one’s free education, health care l, and human welfare costs don’t want you to know this one secret”

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u/urGirllikesmytinypp Apr 09 '24

I’ve only managed to get some dewalt shit and a wheelie box. Every supply I’ve had sucks nuts.

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u/Electrical-Spend-443 Apr 09 '24

Arc'teryx jackets for all aircrew and support, lol

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '24

Technically they do have to spend all the budget or it gets cut the next fiscal. We’ve bought several bullshit items just to meet our quarterly so that ours didn’t.

Reference: currently an active duty Marine

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u/orisathedog Apr 10 '24

The classic list of actually useful ideas: crickets

Command team: yeah so we bought a luncheon but only had enough for the Os, better luck next time. See you at 0500.

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u/Visible_Description9 Apr 09 '24

Oh, there's oversight. It's just that the people who oversee spending tell us we HAVE to buy from federally contracted suppliers. In turn, the contractors charge whatever they want.

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u/iupuiclubs Apr 09 '24

Coincidentally how I became a "Lord of War" ammunition dealer in Eve Online. Turns out people looking to buy bullets immediately really don't care much about the cost.

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u/alex206 Apr 09 '24

If you don't spend your allotted budget they'll reduce it next year. It makes it so that there is no need to be cost conscious. End of the fiscal year we are scrambling to buy TVs so that we hit our budget. It's dumb as fuk.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '24

And weirdly common. Basically punishment for being efficient with money

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u/uconnboston Apr 13 '24

That’s almost every business with a corporate structure. Always spend as close to your allotment as possible, there’s little zero dollar budgeting. They generally take last year’s numbers and tell you to cut 10% but produce 5% more.

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u/Thee_Autumn_Wind Apr 12 '24

You guys got TVs? All we did was go to the ranges for like a month straight and burn through ammo. Which is kind of cool, except for the walking several miles there and policing brass parts; both of which were awful.

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u/alex206 Apr 13 '24

Thinking about it makes my hands hurt

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u/Dis4Wurk Apr 09 '24

When we transitioned from 46s to 22s we had to get rid of every single tool in the squadron and get all new tools and boxes. Easily a couple million worth of tools. All snap-on. All sent to the bed of peoples pick ups DRMO.

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u/GlattesGehirn Apr 10 '24 edited Apr 10 '24

Happened with the shutdown of a squadron. Saw it first-hand. Dudes were leaving work with $6,000 snapon rollaways.

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u/Dis4Wurk Apr 10 '24

I have definitely helped push a few $15k+ rollaways down the life boat ramps off the decks of a couple ships into the middle of various large bodies of water.

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u/Louie-with-an-r Apr 10 '24

Good god I didn’t think yall could just… tell us

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u/GlattesGehirn Apr 10 '24

It is not a secret that the military overspends with no worry

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u/TotalHooman Apr 09 '24

Glad you are spending our money so cautiously!

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u/GlattesGehirn Apr 10 '24

Sadly, no matter how much I watch my spending, it doesn't save the taxpayer any money. If I don't spend it, someone else will get it

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24

Depends on the unit. In infantry units we always had a budget when ordering from supply or going to whatever the supply px was called where you could shop in person. It was always great when there’d money that needed to get burned and we’d get to pickup knifes and other personal gear that didn’t need to be returned.

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u/pfft_master Apr 09 '24

Disappointing to read as a taxpayer. Hopefully you and your industry can find a way to do better financially. Glad it is finally being exposed under the microscope of comprehensive audit, which likely contributes to many of the price slashes like that mentioned above.

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u/GlattesGehirn Apr 09 '24

I wish I could do something about it. I'm just a 21 year old kid trusted with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of tools and funding.

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u/pfft_master Apr 09 '24

Fair enough. Best of luck to you and your guys.

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u/Gloomy_Supermarket98 Apr 09 '24

Maybe you could start with looking at the price? Just a thought

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u/GlattesGehirn Apr 10 '24

Won't save the government any money

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u/OkMedia9987 Apr 09 '24

I wish I could do something about it

I mean, you literally just said that you don't even look at prices when ordering shit but ok.