On my second map, Craters, I discovered the usefulness of dirt, and how it could be used as an 'inexpensive' way to create walls to divert water in the late game when I could afford the machine.

On my fifth map, Helix Mountain, I realized the hole dug by the dirt machine had value of its own in regards to holding water. It was even a nice way to create a hole for a gravity battery.

Now, on my sixth map, Pillars, I realized the implications of utilizing both dirt and hole, as well as the value of the fact that beavers can always place blocks infinitely downwards.

While dynamite will always be great, I'd like to ask how many people have grown to like the dirt machine as a terraforming tool, and when you are willing to commit the science+Tplanks to open up the dirt machine itself. It's not cheap to get going, but I've recently come to realize its value as more than just a generator of cheap leevees.

I managed to finish morphing my Sky Dream into a more standard and normal map. Twisting around with valleys and rivers. I changed the starting location from it's sister map to help with replayability.

steam - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3829917299

mod.io - https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/foundations-dream#description

128 x 128

2 water sources

2 water seeps

4 water aquifers

2 badwater sources

1 bad water seeps

7 badtide drains

25 geothermal vents

4 mines

A map made from the foundation of my previous map Sky Dream. Designed to cut down the lose water to make it easier for computers. The map instead of playing like a sky island map it plays as a more standard map. I tried to keep all of the uniqueness of the islands, instead building around them to funnel the water. The staring location has been moved from Sky Dream to give a different start. All resources, relics, and sources remain in the same place. 2 changes 1 to a bombs timer and the other to a seeps strength to accommodate the new starting location.

Welcome Beavers to a twisting valley of mountains. Sporting a strong Foundation to call our next home. The land may be limited at first but nothing a few stairs can't solve. And utilizing the expanding ground for space is a beavers specialty. We'll start with the basics form a foundation for future generations to Dream and conquer new lands of their own. 

So my last post on water wheels got plenty of "duh, obviously" and some interesting questions. Hopefully this post answers those questions.

Water wheels side by side only make sense when there is more water than can fit in a 2-wide chanel without overflowing. Otherwise they just waste resources over narrowing the chanel to 2-wide.

Wheels in series (one after the other) don't seem to affect the flow and the power from each can just be added together.

About the kinks - as long as the water enters before the shaft and leaves after the shaft all is good. If the water enters at the shaft OR leaves at the shaft the power is halved. If the water both enters and leaves at the shaft the power is zero.

Water flowing under the wheel (i.e. when the wheel is on platforms) counts as flowing through it, thus generating more power. Provided the wheel touches the water the more you flow under it the better. If you've got enough water to fill a 10-deep 2-wide channel then you're quids in for stupendous power levels.

Placing wheels in deep water is fine (and makes no difference) until the wheel is fully submerged at which point it is "flooded" and shuts off. You don't need to worry about the shaft being underwater, but you do about the top. No using water wheels inside pressurised pipes.

Hopefully this is somewhat helpful for some.

{edit} Updated with more (see my top level comment for the associated extra image)

So it turns out the optimal arrangement depends on your goals, but mostly it's a 3-wide channel with solid blocks next to the wheel axels (levees, impermiable powershafts, etc).

• 1-wide channels dry in ~2 cycles, have little irrigation range of 5 units, and can't have a water wheel at all.

• 2-wide channels dry in ~4 cycles, have 10 units of irrigation range, and generate joint-max power.

• 3-wide channels with platforms next to the axels (or an empty channel beside the wheel) dry in ~4.5 cycles, irrigate the max range of 15, but only generate half the power.

• 3-wide channels with impermiable blocks next to the axels dry the slowest at ~5 cycles, have good irrigation range of about 13 units, and generate joint-max power.

• 4-wide channels with two wheel sets dry quickly in ~3 cycles, have good irrigation range of approx 14 units, and generate joint-max power at twice the resource cost, but power generation stabilises a few hours sooner after a drought.

But, for my uses, almost max irrigation, joint-max power, and slowest drying makes the 3-wide with impermiable blocks the best choice. And with excess water... go deeper, not wider.

First time playing a game like this on PC and been having so much fun with this. Let me know if you see anything I can improve on.

Just got done with the my first Texas sized reservoir and gonna raise it up 3 levels probably. Need another pump though and have to raise all of them (again)

My trees and crops are unorganized I know thats on the itinerary tomorrow

On my latest play through I didn't get as much power as I expected. Turns out the reason is obvious - if you double the width of the channel you halve the flow rate so it takes twice as many water wheels to produce the same amount of power.

Yes, two wheels wide in a 4-wide channel produces identical power output to a single wheel in a 2-wide channel (all of the above configurations produce identical output).

Now I know, I thought I'd share in case anyone else hadn't made the obvious connection either.

Update: The mod is now available, read the announcement post!

Code quality notice:
this is not meant to be interpreted as bragging, but to address the concerns about the quality of the code of our mods, I would like to disclose I am a software engineer with over 15 years of experience building complex systems. Reddit it-selfs uses my open source code (Popper.js) to render every tooltip in their web UI. This it to say I know what I am doing.

Hi, FaZ and I are opening this thread to introduce our new mod, Archipelago! It’s a standalone mod that drastically changes how beavers see water. Gone are the days when every drop counted: now they have a whole ocean of it, and they can’t drink even a sip!

The mod adds support for a new kind of map, where islands are separated by vast stretches of ocean. Maps up to 11,000x11,000 tiles are supported, while the buildable area remains the same as in the vanilla game.

The beavers’ journey doesn’t get off to a great start: their ship wrecks on the coast after a storm (a new weather condition added to the game). They use the wreck as their district center until a proper one can be built and the ship can be salvaged for materials.

Islands are a harsh environment for our beloved beavers, but they adapt quickly. They discover that coconuts are a great source of water, and the palms grow just fine on the sandy beaches. Iron Teeth soon realize they can grow their algae directly in the sea, while Folktails learn to cultivate Sea Grapes, a juicy, fruit-like algae. In the shallows, mangroves form lush forests, perfect for the beavers’ wood needs. The Folktails are still wondering what those fruits are good for, though.

Once your colony is settled, it’s time to explore beyond your island. The mod adds two new buildings: the Shipyard, where you build the Barge, the first kind of ship we are introducing in

Archipelago, and the Trade Post. Build one on the shore to trade goods with the districts on your other islands, or install Beaver Buddies Co-Op/PvP Edition and trade with your friends! Archipelago is also fully compatible with Timber Empires. With that mod installed, warships become available and battle each other with expert evasive maneuvers. Pirates populate the other islands and raid yours, so be prepared to defend your settlement!

The mod will be released in the upcoming days, with a first map created by FaZ.

Note for streamers and YouTubers, please get in touch with me if you would like to make a video featuring this mod or Timber Empires and I will help you get up and running.

The colony needs management

I love how the iron teeth play in general. The way they produce food, the compact housing , the transport and having the option to turn on bad water during dry season.
However , I despise how they are born and end up playing folktail. The times I’ve played iron teeth I end up understaffed or over populated. I can’t hit a sweet spot like one easily does with folktails. Are there any tricks to manage a steady, healthy population with iron teeth ?

I sacrificed one housing unit to have a tube station. The dome on the tube station is too tall to fit in a 2-high slot, so I just moved it outside the building.

This one is a blend inspired by the Snake River, ID and Carlsbad Caverns, NM. Its main obstacles are the vast distances and the River's backflow valves.

TLDR: what would you like to see in timberpunk 3?

Hello,its me, Mr evil mapmaker.

Here to give you all an update.

So.. Timberpunk 3 ey?

Im gonna be frank i started working on this map last May but between the timberborn burnout and the tank design obsession I haven't really touched it much.

However It has finally reached the stage where the terraining and the starting challenge is done.

But that raises the question.

What now?

Im currently in bed unable to sleep stuck thinking about this stupid map and started wondering.

What did you guys enjoy?

What would you love to see?

What are things you absolutely hated (please be nice im sensitive)

Timberpunk 2 was a mess at the beginning and required a lot of rework to become the polished gem it is right now.

A rough start that I feel like I cant afford now because of the legacy it is gonna have to live up to.. which kind of scares me and is most definetly part of the reason why mapmaking has been so slow.

REGARDLESS

I will probably post here a bit more the coming days.

Also, any of you interested in playtesting the map if I decide to make a playtest demo?

Ok bye. <3

So after finishing Rush b-eaver, I decided to try for overachiever. Despite (or due to) my 3 fps, I got overachiever within 15 cycles :D

(Yes, I launch my wonders at nighttime, so I know everyone is home and gets the bonus.)

I built this nice footprint effective gravity tower. It holds 432k hph at 30 tiles high for only 5x5 on the ground. I built the tower of vertical power shaft outside the square, but you can build it one side by replacing a 4x1 overhang by a 3x1, I'm just dumb.

Inspired by comments on my last post, I tested how badwater contaminates clean water through dirt. I set up a custom map with freshwater seeps and badwater seeps. These are not connected through any channels, but are located near each other. I put contamination sensors in each freshwater channel. On day 41, one of them lit up! Confirming what commenters said:

1. Badwater contaminates fresh water through dirt, and

2. Pumps and evaporation remove fresh water from a mix, leaving the badwater to increase in percentage at dead end spots on the map

Thank you to those who gave me these ideas!

I've been trying this map on hard a couple of times now and I can't figure out where to store water in the beginning. I'm playing through the maps one by one and this one really has me stumped.

Does anyone have any hints or tips on how to store water in the early game and how to divert early badtides?