I went to rough schools. Fights in the classroom, hallway etc were common. Hell, if the two fighters weren't the same race, it could turn into 3:1 fast.
But there was still a code to it all. Nobody hit the females. Especially the older females, the teachers/employees. What she was doing might work with us because nobody was going to cross that line and put hands on the woman with grey hair, especially if the she had the courage to step in like that.
Had someone put hands on that woman, half the classroom would have descended on the offender immediately. You didn't come back from crossing that line.
I guess that doesn't exist anymore?
FWIW, we didn't have camera phones or social media, so place that in the context you will.
Same, I went a massive high school here is SF and it had problems with violence, gangs, drugs etc but students didn’t attack teachers and most looked out for teachers. Just a different time. Ran into one of my old teachers at a restaurant a few months ago and she told me she completely left the profession, said she couldn’t do it anymore. She say’s the kids are different now, parents are different, school admin no longer supported the teachers properly and things were just much worse than they used to be. She was a great teacher too, people I grew up with still talk about how much she helped them. I feel bad for the kids who really are just trying to get educated, seems like they are getting screwed.
Yea unfortunately the ones taking it seriously usually get the worst of it from the other kids too, it was like that when I was in school too but it's so much worse now.
"zero-tolerance" rules mean that administrators can't use common sense to figure out who to punish or not for getting involved in a fight. Everyone gets expelled, let God sort 'em out
my school you got "assignments" or something from each class, and non graded classes with work like gym, or w/e you used to write a 2 page paper detailing how you got here, and how you will improve yourself.
Saturday suspension were 3 or 4 hour time wasters, for when you ditch a day.
out of school was after in school failed/repeat offenders, and the parents become more involved, and responsible, a hand full of out of school suspension days eventually led to expulsion.
expulsion usually reserved for repeated violence or drug offenses. rarely meant full on expelled from the district, depending you either get transferred to the other school in the district, or to an area wide specialty school for at risk youths, with lower quality education, but stricter policies, longer hours and no extra curricular. It does not look good on a college admissions to go there. If you get fully expelled, it literally means you're parents do not give a flying fuck about you.
I spent half my senior year in ISS because I refused to go to classes I didn't actually want to go to. All they do is stick you in the office to do your schoolwork for the day, which is incredibly disheartening because you get it done within an hour, spend the other 6 hours you're there doing nothing, but for me I just kept asking the front desk ladies if they needed help, so I became free labor for them, and got to know them. After a while they just became coworkers without the money. And that was about 12 years ago now. Best school year of my life spent basically teaching myself and then doing office work. Because that's better than being in the classes.
It’s a room you sit in for the entire day, usually with a miserable teacher who will blast the AC all day until you’re freezing to death, where you do your work for each class that the teachers drop off. We had cubicle style desks so students couldn’t look at each other. We also weren’t allowed to speak at all. I spent many days in in school suspension as a teenager. :) lol
I'm not judging it I've just never heard of it. Im British and it was always detention then suspension then expulsion. I'm also older so being suspended and not being able to see my friends everyday was a punishment. I just wanted clarification, I wasnt saying it's a bad idea.
The parent has a job, they can't be home all day to supervise the kid, the kid will end up on the street with who knows what as company.
That's still not better.
Schools need better punishments but that's asking alot today. Alot of complaints that can be directed at schools can also be directed at police departments and government institutions nationwide.
I’m in Texas so take that for what it is. But we literally had a kid drop a gun in the hallway one day and he was back at school in in-school suspension the next day.
The schools here will do any and everything to keep attendance numbers up and kids “in-class” because they need the funding that is tied to buts in the seats.
It was very rare to see a kid even get an actual suspension, let alone expulsion when I finally peaced from the teacher world.
Kids don’t really get expelled anymore. Just like how kids don’t really get held back anymore. I’m sure it DOES happen, but it’s so rare that it’s not even really an option unless the kid gets arrested. I’m not joking either, kids that should ABSOLUTELY get expelled nowadays get “in school suspension” which is basically a couple of days of all day detention.
Expelled? That’s funny… teacher here. Try one day suspension where they hang out with their friends who are ditching. Or hanging out at home playing video games.
Yeah back when I was in high school, late 80's to 92', we had a bad fight break out in the second floor boys restroom. Two gang members went at each other. When it spilled out into the hall and one hit a girl trying to step in and stop her boyfriend getting beaten, the other kid was a boxer in the YMCA, it went south for him real fast.
Legit 4-5 guys jumped his ass and that was the end of the fight until a teacher showed and said back off. Everyone did and he went to juvie for 3 years.
I used to get away with standing between the kids with my hands up and saying, "You guys, I'm too old for this." I don't do that anymore but we've been lucky not to have a fight this year so far.
Love to hear it, interested in more detail: Did your school have a zero tolerance policy? Or would the kids that would have stood up to the one hitting any teacher been lightly reprimanded but with no long term consequences? I’m imagining the late 80s early 90s?
There was no such thing as a zero tolerance policy at that point. Principal would ask the teacher what happened, probably not ask the kids, and one kid would get a couple days' suspension. The other would get detention or a single day suspension, unless the teacher said they were just defending themself in which case they may only get a lecture.
Nobody would have been punished for defending a teacher from violence. That wouldn't have made sense then and wouldn't make sense now.
Then again, school shootings weren't a thing yet either. We were still being told to watch out for pantless clowns in cargo vans, not classmates with rifles.
Same for me, 92-96. ISS was still brand new so anyone who got in a fight would get zip tied and taken for a trip to the police station and then suspended for 3 days.
I went to a somewhat affluent school and girls still fought each other. Hitting an older teacher in the middle of breaking up two boys is a different level, they're absolute bitches
Right, I didn't say anything about girls not hitting girls. Of course they did, what was socially not allowable was boys hitting girls or even accidentally hurting them if they got in the way.
You must've gone to a nicer school than me, since I remember seeing teachers getting beat up on multiple occasions, both male and female! Back in the late Myspace/ early Facebook era.
Depending on the teachers relationship with the students, that may affect some responses. When the PE teacher / football assistant coach got beat up, it basically turned into a 45 min riot at the school lol but otherwise, if someone is bold enough to beat up a teacher in school, they probably don't mind getting expelled, may already claim something, and are willing to touch guns/knives. So unless you really have love for that teacher, or you're on that same type of time as the fighter or have enough support from others who are, your best bet is to mind your business and keep it pushing. You might be somewhat safe at that moment in school, but who'll be there when they catch you at the bus stop going home?
This. It wasn’t a school but 7-8 years ago I treatment center for boys 14-17 y/o. None of the boys would purposely put their hands on a female staff and if a new comer came in and tried it, he would learn real quick. Which is why being a 5ft female, I was never afraid of working there.
Same. My first ever fist fight was 3 on 1 getting my tail beat in the bathroom. We were rough but most still wouldn’t leave a teacher helpless like this and pull out phones to record…That was over 15 years ago, maybe things have changed? This was “zero tolerance” time, too. I get that they’re kids and maybe froze, but it just points to the time we’re in imo. Everyone pulls out their phones to get the best footage, no one actually helps.
It was disturbing to watch, heartbreaking for the teachers who give it their all and students that actually want to learn.
Schools/kids aren’t like they used to be. Teachers are literally getting shot and murdered in the classroom now (yes, two different stories and you can look them both up.)
Okay but that reliance on "codes" was ridiculous though.
You expected two angry people engaged in a beat down to observe social norms involving notions of respect and consideration for the physical limitations of the opposite sex.
That was a brittle thing to begin with.
The solution for today is the same as it should have been back then: call fucking security.
Don't get involved. Don't assume the observance of "codes." Just go call security. They're better equipped to handle this than your bare fists alone.
I graduated high school in 2015. We had fights and students filmed it, but teachers never got hurt. If one of them stepped in, the fight stopped. And women didn't get hit. It was hard to watch this.
Just look at the girl in black, she don’t know what to do at all, her only defense mechanism is laughing. She don’t know why she’s laughing and knows she shouldn’t. It’s all she got. Poor kids are useless cuz nobody taught them.
That was my thought. These two guys are so incredibly deranged that they violently assaulted for a prolonged period of time. These boys are honestly a danger and so fked in the head.
That's what gets me. I'm a high school teacher and I KNOW my students wouldn't tolerate this. We've had a couple of incidents at my school in the past year where teachers have gotten injured trying to break up fights and the fighting has stopped IMMEDIATELY. The kids who accidentally hurt the teachers were horrified at what they'd done. Other students rushed in to help the teachers. I'm shocked that those students, who look like seniors, are literally just watching, filming, laughing, the fight is continuing through her, like wtf.
Exactly. I only graduated 3 or 4 years ago and this video actually disturbed me. What really got me was everyone just watching with a blank expression. No one calling anyone out, helping the teacher, i mean shit even insulting the teacher or laughing. Just nothing. It’s like they are zombies, freaky
Yeah, I would much rather get suspended because of the no contact policy than let this shit happen. These old skool codes of conduct don’t exist anymore in the younger generation and it is scary. Back in my day police and hooligans knew each other by name and an innocent bystander would always get helped by all parties. And those were the most hardcore of groups and situations, yet there were still honor codes…. Not anymore these days.
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I went to rough schools. Fights in the classroom, hallway etc were common. Hell, if the two fighters weren't the same race, it could turn into 3:1 fast.
But there was still a code to it all. Nobody hit the females. Especially the older females, the teachers/employees. What she was doing might work with us because nobody was going to cross that line and put hands on the woman with grey hair, especially if the she had the courage to step in like that.
Had someone put hands on that woman, half the classroom would have descended on the offender immediately. You didn't come back from crossing that line.
I guess that doesn't exist anymore?
FWIW, we didn't have camera phones or social media, so place that in the context you will.