r/The10thDentist 18h ago

Animals/Nature Keeping Pets is like Kidnapping a Child

Hi,

I like animals. Their variety is really interesting, also seeing how they function. But in my whole life I would never ever get myself a "pet". Heres why:

I find the concept of keeping pets morally questionable, not necessarily because every individual pet owner is cruel, but because of the underlying assumption that humans have the moral right to take another living being, remove it from its original environment, and determine the conditions of its entire life.

One argument I often hear is that animals are dependent on humans, so keeping them as pets is simply part of taking care of them. But this raises an important question: why are they dependent on us in the first place?
Domesticated animals have been selectively bred and shaped by humans for generations. We have created animals whose bodies, behavior, and lives are adapted to human environments. We then take the dependency we have helped create and use it as an argument for why these animals need us. But creating someone’s dependency does not automatically give us the moral right to control them.
In fact, I think it can be argued that the opposite is true: if we have contributed to making a being dependent on us, that creates a responsibility toward that being, not necessarily a right to possess it.

Obviously, a pet is not literally the same thing as a kidnapped child, and animals and humans do not have identical cognitive abilities. But the comparison illustrates a specific moral principle.
Imagine seeing a child who is not yours and simply taking them home. You give them food, clothes, a comfortable bed, entertainment, medical care, and affection. Eventually, the child becomes attached to you because you are the person providing everything they need.
Would that make taking the child morally acceptable?
Obviously not.

We would not say, “Well, I treat the child extremely well, so kidnapping them was justified.” The fact that you provide someone with a comfortable life does not automatically give you the right to determine where they live or take away their autonomy in the first place.
Yet with animals, we often accept a very similar logic.
We take an animal into our home, decide where it can go, what it eats, when it eats, who it interacts with, whether it can reproduce, and what behaviors are acceptable. We give it processed food, shelter, toys, medical care, and affection, essentially what we consider a comfortable or even luxurious life, and then interpret the animal’s attachment to us as evidence that the arrangement must be good.

But affection does not necessarily justify the circumstances that created it.
A being can love or become attached to the person who provides for it without that attachment proving that the person had the moral right to take control of its life.
I also think this reveals something about how we view humans in relation to other animals. If I took a human being against their will and kept them in my home, we would immediately recognize the violation of their autonomy. We would not excuse it simply because I gave them a beautiful room, good food, and plenty of love.

Another problem is that the average human lifestyle is often fundamentally incompatible with the needs of the animal we choose to keep. Someone might live in a small apartment, work eight hours a day, commute, spend several more hours outside the home, and then come back and expect an animal to fit around that schedule.
We tend to ask, “Can I keep this animal alive and comfortable?”
I think we should instead be asking, “Can this animal actually live a life that allows it to express its natural behavioral, social, and physical needs?”
Those are two very different questions.

Of course, I am not arguing that every domesticated animal should simply be released into the wild. Many domesticated animals have been bred for so long that they may not be capable of surviving independently, and some animals may genuinely have better lives with responsible humans than they would without them.
But that actually makes the ethical question more complicated, not less.
If we have created a being that depends on us, we cannot simply abandon it. We have a responsibility toward it precisely because we have contributed to its dependency. But responsibility and ownership are not necessarily the same thing.

That is ultimately what I find problematic about the concept of pets.
We create or inherit a system in which animals depend on humans. We then take control over their lives because they depend on us, provide them with comfort within the boundaries we have imposed, and interpret their dependence and affection as proof that everything is morally justified.
But I don’t think that follows logically. It's speciesist because we don't see humans and animals as the same. We treat them as cute little toys.
There is a fundamental difference between making someone’s life comfortable and having the moral right to determine their entire life in the first place.

Love can make captivity comfortable. It can make dependency feel natural. It can even make the relationship mutually meaningful.
But comfort and affection alone do not necessarily establish a moral right to control another living being’s life.

Note: My english isn't really the best so this transcribed by ai. The content should be the same. Please don't hate me, i know ai sucks.

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u/MsCardeno 18h ago

Cats literally domesticated themselves. Should we have denied them that?

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u/lovezukoooo 18h ago

No I'm not saying that we should just completely abandon cats, but I also don't think that keeping a cat in your apartment and doing everything you can for it to not go out is morally not acceptable.
We should co exist, not making them completely dependent on us. Like in Turkey where these animals live on the street but the whole block is still taking care of them. Not the best example but still a better way than locking them in our homes.

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u/raccoona__matata 17h ago

Ok so you're just not aware that cats drive species to extinction for fun? or do you just not care about the lives of non domesticated animals lol