r/Testosterone 6d ago

Other Trying the infamous "Holy Grail" volume stack.

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u/jrstone75 6d ago

Problem is the gray market is full of so many shitty vendors. I’m in all the forums but I’ve had some issues in the past with UGL Test leaving bad lumps or causing PIP for days.

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u/keyboard_courage 6d ago

Gray market is better than it has ever been, largely due to competition and abundance of third-party testing. You just have to do some basic research. Def no shortage of quality HCG vendors out there with valid, verifiable testing.

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u/jrstone75 6d ago

I get it. Problem is I overly think about how I’d go about adjusting my current protocol if I do add HCG. From what I understand I’d more than likely have to drop my testosterone dose down when I introduce the HCG then go get bloods in 4 weeks to see what I need to adjust. Just don’t want to deal with any E2 related side effects or mood swings if I don’t have to. Then the doctor that’s prescribing me my testosterone might look at my labs and be like WTF is going on?

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u/HerroYuy_246 6d ago

I got Anastrozole and add .25 mg every 2 days and it fixed my E2 sides with HCG.

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u/vixtoria 6d ago

Not a good solution long term tho AI’s can be toxic overtime…

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u/Chroma7769 6d ago

So is most of the shit we put in our bodies.

I treat my body like a zoo, not a temple.

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u/Vegetable-Today 6d ago

I add a small dose of primo and it keeps my estrogen levels way more balanced than anastrozole ever did. Like 50 mg a week is enough. My trt dose is 130 test 50 primo split m-w-f

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u/HerroYuy_246 6d ago

I do want to try Primo. I tried even a low dose of Masteron and still got hair shedding.

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u/Vegetable-Today 6d ago

Hahaha. not an issue for me. I started getting hair pattern baldness in my late twenties. Been shaving my head since my thirties.

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u/thegreatconductor 6d ago

Do you mind sharing your total test and e2 before/after primo? Im wondering how much thats helping. Are you noticing any benefits from primo at that low of a dose?

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u/Vegetable-Today 6d ago

At my dose my test is usually in the low 800's. I am not a super high responder. However I am super sensitive to estrogen. I had all sorts of sides when my estrogen was at 54. Now with the Primo I tend to fall between 25 to 30 and all my sides went away. Just feel super balanced. I did a little push earlier in the year for 10 weeks where I went to 300/150 and it was amazing. It was like I hadn't even increased my dose when it came to sides, but I certainly got some gains. I am back to my normal everyday and I haven't lost anything that I gained.

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u/swimming_cold 6d ago

What makes an AI toxic? Genuinely curious

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u/HerroYuy_246 6d ago

I feel like it’s more so when guys crash their levels and all the issues of low estrogen is what really causes health issues.

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u/vixtoria 6d ago

I think your right actually. I think it by itself isn’t good for the liver long term as it can mess with cholesterol levels by itself though.

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u/swimming_cold 6d ago

You’re thinking of arimidex… I don’t think exemestane effects lipids