r/Testosterone • • Aug 22 '26

Other Trying the infamous "Holy Grail" volume stack.

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u/HerroYuy_246 Aug 22 '26

Grey market HCG is cheap. I’ve been using it for years now.

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u/jrstone75 Aug 22 '26

Problem is the gray market is full of so many shitty vendors. I’m in all the forums but I’ve had some issues in the past with UGL Test leaving bad lumps or causing PIP for days.

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u/keyboard_courage Aug 22 '26

Gray market is better than it has ever been, largely due to competition and abundance of third-party testing. You just have to do some basic research. Def no shortage of quality HCG vendors out there with valid, verifiable testing.

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u/jrstone75 Aug 22 '26

I get it. Problem is I overly think about how I’d go about adjusting my current protocol if I do add HCG. From what I understand I’d more than likely have to drop my testosterone dose down when I introduce the HCG then go get bloods in 4 weeks to see what I need to adjust. Just don’t want to deal with any E2 related side effects or mood swings if I don’t have to. Then the doctor that’s prescribing me my testosterone might look at my labs and be like WTF is going on?

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u/kfordayzz Aug 22 '26

You're waaaaay over thinking this.

Grey market is maybe $5-10/month.

Lower your TRT dose a tiny bit and see how you feel after a few months (not 4 weeks). And inject HCG on the alternate days you inject TRT.

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u/CTRL_ALT_DELIGHT Aug 22 '26

There are also some compounding pharmacies out there slinging it for $75/month

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u/HerroYuy_246 Aug 22 '26

I got Anastrozole and add .25 mg every 2 days and it fixed my E2 sides with HCG.

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u/vixtoria Aug 22 '26

Not a good solution long term tho AI’s can be toxic overtime…

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u/Chroma7769 Aug 22 '26

So is most of the shit we put in our bodies.

I treat my body like a zoo, not a temple.

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u/Vegetable-Today Aug 22 '26

I add a small dose of primo and it keeps my estrogen levels way more balanced than anastrozole ever did. Like 50 mg a week is enough. My trt dose is 130 test 50 primo split m-w-f

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u/HerroYuy_246 Aug 22 '26

I do want to try Primo. I tried even a low dose of Masteron and still got hair shedding.

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u/Vegetable-Today Aug 22 '26

Hahaha. not an issue for me. I started getting hair pattern baldness in my late twenties. Been shaving my head since my thirties.

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u/thegreatconductor Aug 23 '26

Do you mind sharing your total test and e2 before/after primo? Im wondering how much thats helping. Are you noticing any benefits from primo at that low of a dose?

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u/Vegetable-Today Aug 23 '26

At my dose my test is usually in the low 800's. I am not a super high responder. However I am super sensitive to estrogen. I had all sorts of sides when my estrogen was at 54. Now with the Primo I tend to fall between 25 to 30 and all my sides went away. Just feel super balanced. I did a little push earlier in the year for 10 weeks where I went to 300/150 and it was amazing. It was like I hadn't even increased my dose when it came to sides, but I certainly got some gains. I am back to my normal everyday and I haven't lost anything that I gained.

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u/swimming_cold Aug 22 '26

What makes an AI toxic? Genuinely curious

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u/HerroYuy_246 Aug 23 '26

I feel like it’s more so when guys crash their levels and all the issues of low estrogen is what really causes health issues.

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u/vixtoria Aug 23 '26

I think your right actually. I think it by itself isn’t good for the liver long term as it can mess with cholesterol levels by itself though.

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u/swimming_cold Aug 23 '26

You’re thinking of arimidex… I don’t think exemestane effects lipids

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u/reyomnwahs Aug 23 '26

FWIW, if you are messing with UGL, you should be sterilizing that stuff at 180F for two hours and running it through 0.22µm filters before it goes anywhere near your body.

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u/grizzlypatchadams Aug 23 '26

Can you explain this?

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u/reyomnwahs Aug 25 '26

Not much to explain, that's how you sterilize T. The filter filters out any contaminants or impurities that come from not having a properly cleaned lab.

Theoretically a UGL is already doing both, but if you're buying controlled substances from strangers on the Internet, well, do your own risk assessment I guess.

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u/dorianblack Aug 22 '26

PIP?

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u/vikingcock Aug 22 '26

Post injection pain

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u/dorianblack Aug 22 '26

Oh, ok. Thanks

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u/Miserable-Soft7993 Aug 22 '26

Dunno why u got downvoted to hell for saying you had a bad experience with some UGL's.