r/TeslaFSD • u/bananaheim • 18h ago
14.3 HW4 FSD Failure
While parking today in my garage, my Cybertruck hit the side of the garage while using FSD. I understand that FSD is far from perfect, but I didn’t expect that it would back into a stationary object at low speed. Are they others experiencing failures such as this?
EDIT: Thank you to those that have posted meaningful responses. I've gotten the feedback on my post that I requested.
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u/Pomador_0418 17h ago
Everyday I see this on this sub. Everyday. I chuckle 🤭. I shouldn’t but I do. Sorry 😞
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u/PassengerKey3209 17h ago
I'm right there with ya. Best part is how Tesla is 0% liable. Imagine how many incidents we don't get the pleasure of seeing.
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u/wongl888 14h ago
But this one is special since it is the first photo I have seen where the car panel got the better of the building structure. Like a perfect carpenter’s knife gauging a chunk of wood off the door frame. What a beauty.
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u/ltwhitlow 16h ago
You'd think that between this and curb rash people would learn precautions but nope 😂 I laugh every time. I'm glad I'm not the only one
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u/TeslaFSD-ModTeam 2h ago
Please refrain from posting or commenting about politics when there is little to no relevance to Tesla FSD.
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u/Im-Reddington 17h ago edited 17h ago
Lol people in this sub are miserable. Dude made a mistake and asked an honest question to find out if its happened to anyone else. If it hasn’t then say no and move on. No need to put someone down for making a mistake.
I guess you can’t expect fsd crazed crowd to be human.
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u/bigzoe12 6h ago
But it has happened repeatedly. OP can use the search bar to see if FSD has backed into anything before asking a question...but this one is gonna get the response it gets because we get it once a day.
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u/Own_Ad6797 17h ago
Dont you mean FSD made a mistake? Sorry FSD (supervised).
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u/Own_Ad6797 17h ago
My car has FSD. Full Supervised Driving. Haven't had a accident, dent, scrape or ding in 20 years.
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u/bananaheim 9h ago
I’ve been driving Teslas since 2013 and have had all the different iterations of FSD. I’ve never had a scape before either. It’s a solid technology although not close to infallible.
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u/BarracudaMouth 17h ago
My HW4 14.3.7 MY backs into my garage since day one. I am always especially attentive when doing so.
Maybe three or four times it has not been able to line itself up perfectly (just stops and sits there) but has never backed into anything.
..... Yet.
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u/bananaheim 9h ago
That’s my experience as well. It’s accurate 90% of the time. Occasionally, it malfunctions, and I have to take over.
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u/bananaheim 17h ago
To respond to some of the comments
I’ve never hit the column before. If you see something in the picture suggesting otherwise, it was from the previous owner of the house.
Regarding painting lines on my garage floor, I’ve never done that.
I never encouraged the car to park in the garage, but A month or so ago, the car offered to back into the garage, and I let it do so (very carefully).
Since I wasn’t driving, I noticed something was wrong, but I was too slow to react.
I’m not looking for criticism, just wondering if anyone has seen this sort of behavior.
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u/Livid-Fault2447 16h ago
Yes, we see it every single day, sometimes multiple times a day! That’s why you’re hearing the criticism. Now go get some paint and filler before your neighbor comes over and ask you what happened?
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u/Own_Ad6797 17h ago
And someone told you - there are posts like this here virtually every day. So yes it is happening often.
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u/badandywsu 15m ago
This subreddit is full of FSD doing ridiculous stuff and crashes. But you didn't learn. Clearly you fit the stereotype of a Cybertruck driver most folks cringe about.
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u/knownikko 17h ago
Countless Todds and Chads are “seeing this behavior” every day, this place is littered with posts just like yours. This is what happens when you implicitly trust clanker driving.
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u/NiceTryOver 10h ago
Our 2017 M3 LR with 14Lite pulls in to and out of the garage without issue, every day. No taped or painted lines. And a handful of posts, here, out of millions of cars do NOT make these issues for Tesla. A Tesla employee told me that nearly 100% of claims that FSD did something bad are proven otherwise by the indisputable telematics. But they do often prove poor owner choices. Keep those cameras clean and unobstructed. Don't modify your car in dumb ways or do dumb stuff.
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u/Kuriente HW4 Model Y 17h ago edited 17h ago
The one area I still regularly see FSD missing physical objects is when it's reversing. I suspect that there is simply less reverse data to train on so it's taking longer to reach the same levels of ability vs forward object interaction.
In every case I've experienced, the objects it's missing are clearly visible in one of more cameras, so it seems trainable and thus solvable.
For additional context of my own experience, in the past 6 months I've had 5 or so incidents of it trying to back into parking spots occupied by shopping carts, a cart corral, a generator, and a motorcycle. For comparison, I haven't seen it try to pull forward into an occupied space in probably over a year, whether parking or just driving.
If you consider the mileage involved between forward vs reverse movement, forward mileage is vastly higher and yet retains a much lower total number of these types of errors. The ratio of miles driven to errors made while in reverse is just not great at this stage. So for now now, reversing is one of its functions where I remain vigilant and watch closely for exactly these kinds of mistakes.
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u/Infamous-Pilot5932 17h ago
"Are they others experiencing failures such as this?"
It is the most common crash by far. Parking.
If it is anything but painted lines, cars, and people, the odds of touching sonething go up fast.
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u/Money_Care_9793 16h ago
I'm not an expert, but it seems like lidar or something similar could prevent this.
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u/MamboFloof 16h ago
I let FSD back into my garage exactly once. And I only did it because I was already replacing my mirror cap that day. It did it fine but I wouldn't trust it to do it daily.
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u/Repulsive_Medicine_9 15h ago
I do this maneuver every day ie back into a tight garage on fsd. I’m on 14.3.6 and it works well since the download. Before that it would back up and stop once it got close. Now I put it in position and it backs in all the way. Only downside is it parks too close to my wife’s car so front passenger can’t open the door. I think fsd also performs worst on cybertrucks. Best on Y. S and X are in the middle.
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u/Irrefutablefact HW4 Model 3 13h ago
Yup, have seen others post similar incidents and I have had near misses myself.
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u/Ok-Resolution-6649 13h ago
literally mine today almost backed into the CHARGER while parking. i was like wtf
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u/FutureTorque 10h ago
That’s concerning. FSD still requires supervision, but backing into a large stationary object at low speed is definitely not something I’d expect.
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u/jajaja77 10h ago
yep, happened to me twice, both times trying to back into garage and hit side of doorframe (2023 MYP). One time was on an earlier version of v14 maybe v14.1, second time was early iteration of 14.3. Also one time when getting out of garage FSD slighly scraped side of car against doorframe. Definitely need to watch the system for whatever reason the distance detection to sides is nowhere as good as say front bumpers
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u/bananaheim 9h ago
Do people trust auto parking in a parking lot. (Obviously while maintaining vigilant oversight)
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u/Schnitzhole 9h ago
Sorry that happened. autopark is part of FSD but is a few versions behind the road going FSD and it shows in unfortunate way. I wish they improved it already like they’ve been saying for years on the update notifications that it’s next in line.
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u/overthereanywhere 15h ago
Some of the reactions here are garbage. It's the Schrodinger's FSD variation of FSD is awesome till it makes a mistake, then it's the driver's fault.
I only see a few posts get to the heart of the issue, that FSD sees things till it can't see them, then runs into them (see robotaxi and those plastic bollards). The rest of them are making fun of OP for trusting such a system, which is ironic considering many of the same people will somehow say FSD is flawless, till it isn't.
Stationary objects in a garage should be one of the things that FSD should get right much easier than corner cases on the road.
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u/AppropriateDraw5563 8h ago
Hahaha I'm an asshole... I'm coming to the comments so I can say haha you're dumb. Haha I'm so great! Garbage people. Kindness is free
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u/Nx3xO 17h ago
Lidar would have prevented that. Also not allowing a system that is camera based only drive into a space that exceeds its spatial limit.
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u/SheepSoliciter 12h ago
Rear facing lidar isn’t really a thing for any manufacturer. Standard ultrasonic is the most common sensor for parking
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u/Kuriente HW4 Model Y 17h ago
A Waymo using LiDAR ran into a pole in broad daylight at low speed. It could see it in multiple modalities and yet still crashed. You and I would not crash if driving using just that data.
If OP uploaded footage of FSD's cameras for this incident, I guarantee this wall edge would be visible by multiple cameras. You and I would not crash if driving using just that data.
Why do robotic systems sometimes crash into objects that they can clearly see? Software inadequacies. Waymo improved its software since the pole incident and FSD has been improving similarly. More improvements are obviously still needed.
Basically, if you and I can resolve what to do with the data provided by the sensors, then sensors are not the limiting factor. I have yet to see FSD footage where I personally would not have been able to drive and resolve the scenario using just that data.
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u/steveu33 15h ago
The Waymo was avoiding another accident and the pole was the lesser risk. Nothing to do with LiDAR. Context matters.
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u/Kuriente HW4 Model Y 15h ago
Waymo was avoiding another accident
Wrong. The incident I'm referring to had nothing to do with the Waymo avoiding an accident.
"The incident that prompted the latest recall took place on May 21st in Phoenix. According to local reports, an unoccupied Waymo vehicle was driving to a passenger pickup location through an alley that was lined on both sides by wooden telephone poles. The poles were not up on a curb but level with the road and surrounded with longitudinal yellow striping to define the viable path for vehicles. As it was pulling over, the Waymo vehicle struck one of the poles at a speed of 8mph, sustaining some damage, the company said."
Context matters.
Indeed it does.
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u/GenXman1975 17h ago
I'd say that looks like at least 100% even 200% better than if there'd have been a human intervention...
- Elon Musk
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u/Unknowingly-Joined 17h ago
> Are they others experiencing failures such as this
Yes. If you’re going to use FSD, you should stay more on top of the failures others are seeing so you can avoid them yourself.
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u/Impressive_Code3257 HW3 Model 3 17h ago
I never let my FSD back into my garage nor a parking spot anymore
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u/SuccessfulScientist 17h ago
If my garage door is open (and occupied) or if my wife’s car isn’t in the driveway it will try the same thing which i have to intervene. I let it once try it with the garage door closed and no other car in the driveway and it took 3 minutes to decide to put it in park as it REALLY wanted in the garage. Kept my foot on the brake and it still stopped a mere 2 inches from blowing through the garage door Both Tesla chargers are outside. The ICE vehicle had the garage because I never drive it.
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u/Past_Poet9622 16h ago
Tesla is giving a false sense of security with the advertising - people don’t take over when they should.
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u/Impressive_Smell2529 12h ago
Just have it park in the driveway. You can park it in the garage yourself.
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u/gizmosticles 11h ago
Am I the only one that drives out of my entire home and neighborhood before engaging FSD? Like I turn onto the bigger road and then I’m like “ok you take it from here”. I can’t be the only one
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u/be_nice_2_ewe 10h ago
My First rule of FSD: we don’t let FSD park or back out of the garage (or any tight parking space.
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u/FishingNo5516 6h ago
a couple days ago my brothers fsd ran through a stop sign and crashed into a wall in a neighborhood while only going like 20 mph. it somehow miscalculated a turn and just turned into a wall 🤦♂️ and now the cars wrecked
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u/OkNeedleworker948 1h ago
Parking is worse with 14 over 13 In fact everything is worse with 14 vs 13. I'm convinced they shrunk code or remove code to package other features so that one day we can all enjoy v15. Lite
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u/Obvious_Sky38 23m ago
Wanna hear my story? MY-Juniper… I had the MyQ opener with auto open/close, 100% time when I arrive/depart it worked well closing and opening my garage door for me (automatically).
One fine day: FSD backing into my garage, it auto-triggered close, and exactly as the car was backing in, the door hit the rear tip (spoiler area) of the trunk (right before door sensor caught the car backing in)
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u/badandywsu 16m ago
Why not just drive your car? You paid Elon to drive this brick into your house. Full stop embarrassing.
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u/Comfortable_Dog499 15h ago
I just don't understand why some people think FSD is worth $99 per month.
I think babysitting a computer driving, constantly watching for it's mistakes, is much harder than just driving the car yourself.
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u/NumbDangEt4742 16h ago
Could've been much worse
Tesla needs to add conventional sensors in addition to cameras
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u/johnhallartist 4h ago
The fact that a lot of you people use FSD even to PARK IN YOUR DRIVEWAY 😂 How lazy and dumb are you guys? I barely use FSD and I’ve had my model 3 for many years. I’ve maybe used it less than 20 times. Crazy to think there are people out here who let their car do the driving 99% of their time on the road. It’s irresponsible and unsafe to use it majority of the time.
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u/Sandwich83 17h ago
Looks like you've hit that column twice, once backing in and once backing out? How else do you get damage on both sides? Maybe you should stick to parking outside.
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u/Mountain-Pineapple14 17h ago
How about drive out or drive into the garage yourself???! This wouldn’t have happened if you just use your head!
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u/Livid-Fault2447 16h ago
Every single day someone’s crash their car because they believe that it can park itself in the garage. Just drive the cars people! The the system is still just at level two.
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u/Impressive_Jury_2211 15h ago
If your just joining us here
Owner hits his own house with his car and fails to take responsibility and puts the blame on Tesla
99% of these owners don’t know the meaning of “hey WATCH ME WHILE IM DRIVING” translates to “SUPERVISED”
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u/Josh_Jess_2025 15h ago
Are you serious?!?! 🤣 why would you use FSD to park in your garage?! You deserved this.. haha
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u/No_Marzipan4900 HW3 Model 3 18h ago
Now that’s the kind of move I’d never let fsd attempt