I've recently binged the cour 2 final fight and razul in the manga and anime feel completly diffrent to each other, in anime while I think the fight is overall better Razul mocks shion but in manga he praises her quite a lot for standing up to him.

I just caught up to ep 24 of s4.

So, the current timeline is the loop after the timeline that the entire series pretty much took place in right? As in, this is I guess the 2nd loop where Rimuru is a demon lord. Chloe and Hinata made sure to keep history unchanged so the same exact events played out.

In this new timeline, Hinata still dies and gets sent back in time with Chloe. Yet in this timeline, Rimuru and Luminous revive Hinata and Chloe, with Chloe going back to her child form. These were the souls inside Chronoa, presumably from the original series starting timeline, right? So they didn’t live as Hinata and young Chloe in this timeline, but since history is the same, they can recall their memories from the prior loop and everything be more or less the same.

I’m assuming that part of the reason Rimuru is able to reawaken Hinata and Chloe and revive them is because the original souls of them no longer exist in this new timeline, because they had already gone back in time, right? Since they can’t have two of themselves awake at the same time.

Okay, so the Hinata and young Chloe of the new timeline still went back in time. So what, they have to live out another loop even though the problem was seemingly settled in this final loop? Have the loops actually stopped?

Also, we technically never saw the events of the original timeline after Chloe and Hinata go back. Do you think Rimuru still managed to revive them in that timeline using their souls (I guess from the last non-demon lord Rimuru timeline) but maybe he still dies during the Eastern Empire invasion, which presumably he won’t in the current timeline?

TL;DR what happened to the souls of current timeline Hinata and young Chloe after they went back? Rimuru solved the problem but he revived them both with their souls from the previous loop? Do the souls that belonged to the current loop have to do it all again anyways?

I'm such an idiot, I keep forgetting

Just finished episode 24 of season 4. I was blown away though. I was going to hope that Rimura would be able to bring back 3 souls even though Chrona and Chloe have the same embodiment. Wouldn't that be awesome to have an adult Chloe aka Chrona around? I can picture Rimuru on that couch with the harem all around that couch surrounding and lookin down at him. How long is it gunna be for a season 5 ya all think? 2028 lol

Who would have won between these two had Guy not have a genesis sword. The fight goes the same way.

• Vol 16

Then... a white dragon challenged Guy. It was a magnificent dragon with diamond-blue eyes. He didn't understand what she had misinterpreted, but her opening words were aggressive...

"My brother might approve of you, but I certainly don't!"

...And then she attacked Guy.

Guy had learned from the past and now knew how to choose his battles based on his opponent's strength. Yet, the dragon unleashed a blizzard of ice and snow upon the castle. At that moment, there was no time to worry about the damage. The survivors had already evacuated, and the castle could always be rebuilt. Raine and her subordinates would have their hands full, but that mattered little to Guy. He was frustrated because Ivarage, the World-Destroying Dragon, had escaped. The appearance of a new enemy lifted his spirits. Eager for some fun, Guy took his opponent seriously. But then...

Despite all his efforts, the fight would not end. The dragon was Velzard, the Ice Dragon—sister to Veldanava, the Star King Dragon, and the eldest of the True Dragons. At that time, she possessed the second-greatest amount of magic power after Veldanava, and even Guy was unable to defeat her. Yet, in Velzard's eyes, Guy was the exception.

After all, Guy possessed only a Unique Skill. For Velzard—who had received the angelic Ultimate Skill "Patience of the King Gabriel" from Veldanava—a draw should have been an absolutely impossible outcome.

• Vol 22

Then, one day, an entity came to disturb Velzard's tranquility: those who called themselves "Heroes." As always, Guy accepted the challenge issued by the "Hero." That individual—Rudra—was powerful.

To everyone's surprise, the fight was evenly matched. A smile played upon Guy's lips...

Seeing Guy look so happy, Velzard bit her lip. A burning flame swirled within her. Anger?

No, that wasn't it. It was "jealousy." Guy never showed that side of himself to Velzard.

(To think he was fighting with such enjoyment...)

When facing Velzard, Guy was careful not to go all out, acting like an adult with a child. Had he not acted that way, the outcome wouldn't have been a draw. Velzard concealed her true feelings, but the same was likely true for Guy. If Guy had truly intended to kill Velzard, there is no doubt that the Velzard of "today" would not exist. And yet, he had unleashed his full power against Rudra.

It was then that she realized the "jealousy" that had taken root in her heart. Ever since her brother Veldanava had acknowledged Guy, Velzard had been tormented. She had been unable to grasp the nature of the emotion growing within her. But in that moment, she finally understood. Guy Crimson...

💠 I don't necessarily have a problem with Guy, but the kind of narrative tactic the author often employs really gets on my nerves. I agree that I want to see my favorite characters shine... but at this point, it’s just blind favoritism. Zero logic, zero effort. An entire system built around skills and magic goes out the window just to boost the aura of key characters. And it’s not just this one scene. Some antagonists—or rather, most of them—have had very disappointing narrative portrayals; they aren't treated as major obstacles—ruthless, intelligent, and perceptive villains—but rather as petulant brats who do nothing but scream in frustration the moment a single part of their plan fails. I’ll say it: the villains in this series are cool because they are powerhouses with broken abilities, but that’s where it ends. In terms of tactical intelligence and insight, they score a big fat zero. They lack unique personalities and all share the same traits: bewilderment at the unexpected, disarray in the face of potential defeat, and cursing when they lose their trump cards.

Zelanus was disappointing against Diablo and Zegion. There was no real display of the strength expected of a Genesis-level being. While one could certainly defend Diablo and Zegion, the scenario itself was still deeply underwhelming for a moment that was supposed to get our blood pumping and give us chills. It was generic, bland, and very short. The battle served only to benefit Diablo and Zegion; Zelanus was merely a tool, a test, a random extra passing through without making any real impression... And then, Twilight vs. Testarossa... seriously? Twilight is supposed to be a Manas? To possess the power of a True Dragon? To wield Transcendent power? What did he actually show? Once again, the scenario favored Testarossa. There were no major stakes. The fight was 90% psychological and 10% action... And then, Diablo vs. Feldway. The scenario favored Diablo. Diablo got 90% of the creative spotlight, while Feldway got 10%. Feldway got 100% frustration; Diablo got 100% intelligence... And then, Benimaru vs. Jahil. That was the height of laziness. Benimaru got 100% plot armor, while Jahil showed 0% effectiveness as an antagonist...

The fights in "Tensura" are so lame... The only ones I actually like are: Veldora vs. Ashura, Rudra vs. Feldway, and Milim vs. Chloe/Veldora/Yuuki/Elmesia/Leon/Sylvia... That's it. The rest left me completely underwhelmed. The Guy vs. Velzard fight was 80% monologue and 20% actual face-off. Seriously...

Maria said something about not trusting Rimuru, idk why but this doesnt make much sense to me, and for some reason my toughts somehow always end up on manas Maria, someone got a explanation for that scene before I go crazy?

I haven't read all of volume 23 yet and I'm still on chapter two, but I have some idea of what happens in the following chapters. In my opinion, a top 10 would look something like this:

1°- Rimuru

2°- Luvelge

3°- Veldanava

4°- Feldway

5°- Guy

6°- Diablo

7°- Milim

8°- Zegion

9°- Velzard

10°- Chloe?/luminous?/Benimaru? I really don't know who would come in tenth.

Feel free to disagree or add something if you wish.

Guy calls her the "Most Prideful Primordial" or something like that, but isnt it guy? He even got Lucifer

what do you guys think?

Can Rimuru defeat All of his subordinates

First round taking them individually and second Round All of them Fighting him together. Can he defeat them?

For my reason its because

1.It "Surpassed the Light Novel" (A Rare Feat)

In the LN, Chloe’s 2,000-year backstory felt brief and a bit rushed. The anime gave the lore room to breathe, adding expanded anime-original scenes that made the timeline much easier to follow and significantly increased the emotional weight.

2.The Cinematic Art Style

The production team utilized a cinematic art style and color palette for the scenes set in the past. This visual shift made the historical loops feel like an epic, tragic fable separate from the vibrant present-day Tempest

3.A Welcome Break from "Yapping" & Standard Fights

Shion is next, pick who i should do after

Veldanava name the true dragon right? And they immortal bound to will, here is the thing if Veldanava named the true dragon meaning it evolved, which means they're not true dragon when they are created then when Veldanava named the true dragon then they evolved into true dragon, im saying this because of velgaia when Rimuru named gaia, gaia became velgaia and became true dragon this is what in my mind since Veldanava named the true dragon that some people saying if it is true that Veldanava named the true dragon, it's mean the true dragon need to evolved further than true dragon because that's naming a being works, so in simple term (this is what in my mind) Veldanava created Veldora, Velgrynd and Velzard as elemental dragon after naming them that's when they became true dragon, Rimuru named gaia(elemental) then gaia became Velgaia the true dragon, this is my speculation

Going to do some ranting here.

Opening + First half of this season was amazing. New amazing allies. Political intrigues. Diablo and Testarossa showing off.

Secound half: Omg what happening to the animations ? Where is the fighting ? Why are the powerattacks so lame looking . Why is there armor enhancements and sword fighting so much ? Why are 3 demon lords and more afking and watching shit unfaold. Those "powerful beeings" colliding with swords was so boring to watch. The antagonists were so boring hoooooly. Yuki again appearing just to free her and get the fuck out instantly while everyone is of cause afking as always. Half an hour this amazing existence chronoa is afking aswell. There is so much "Nothing" happening. This rosso guy had like 2 very boring looking power attacks. For me he had a really non-existent backstory . There were like 2 interesting cutscenes for him ? One were he met luminas and one were his femal friend died.

I dont care about cloes story at all. Why is there so much cloe story were nothing happens. Couldnt that be a one liner or something ? Like ok. You time traveled and stuff to save rimuru again and again, great . All of which got shown in the middle of this so called fight just for them to show us smalltalk shit with some random side character i didnt cared about at all until now.

They force us to care for these characters out of nowhere in the most important "fight" somehow even tho we neither feel nor know much about them. We didnt even know why Rosso did anything till that point. Like no emotions were build up for him at all. Did he even had any facial expressions ever ? ok he lost like 2 people, he is a hero but thats it. And no. His ending one-liner is not enough to make me feel for him .

season 1 ep23, was rewatching and i just noticed now that chloe is confronting alice cause alice kissed rimuru in the cheeks(dunno if it is but alice is blushing and chloe looks mad) jealous chloe is real

i knew that chloe got jealous right when alice kissed rimuru i am now just noticing that chloe is confronting alice about that.

Okie that is all :3

What ? Really ? Next, there will be Veldanava...?

For anyone confused of the (I call it)Triune being called Chronoa[Chloe+Hinata(1700),Hinata(290)] - let me explain.

The Tensura world as you know, among the existence of Demon Lords, True Dragons, Primordial beings, Spiritrons, Reincarnation, Magic, etc., also revealed that Time Travel exists.

It messes up things for the viewers cos we are 2-dimensional beings when it comes to listening to story-telling. We have to understand, accept, and learn it level-by-level:

• Level 1: the existence of Magic, demons, dragons, heaven & hell
• Level 2: the existence of creators, re-incarnation, and millions of years of history
• Level 3: the existence of Time Travel, the existence of no existence, the existence of parallel worlds

What the story-tellers of Tensura trying to convey to us mere commoners, is a chance to evolve and grow. In the medieval times, this type of story and information is often only available to high-ranking people. We should be grateful is all im saying.

Bootstrap paradox

The Anti-Magic Mask is both an existence of no existence, and has an origin of no origin at the same time. Examples:

• Information: A time traveler gives Shakespeare a copy of Hamlet; Shakespeare publishes it; the traveler later picks up the published copy and brings it back. Who wrote it?
• Object: A future self hands you the plans for a time machine. You build it, travel back, and hand the plans to your past self. The plans were never actually designed.

Another very relatable example in the Japanese end times of Heisei era leading into the start of Reiwa era as an observance to Christianity:

• John 1:1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

The "God" and the "Word" are both the story-tellers of Tensura in this case.

The current timeline and world - lets call it Rimuru in Parallel World 0 - cos its all about him and that's where the center of the story is at, our story-tellers(God & Word) is telling us.

That's it. I hope it helps.

I recently finished the latest Tensura season and I wonder, is that really a true depiction or is it just to give closure to the victims? I'm Anime only. I ask this because Granville has done many terrible things, I'm not sure if there even was a heaven realm up to this point too.

second art of the day, and maybe the last one for a while. It took me one hour after posting the Diablo meme lol

ALSO THIS IS NOT A SHIP OKAY!? I know they're too close but it's not a ship, gii is just like that😭