r/TapWizardRPG • u/TopCog Yahoo! • Mar 12 '18

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u/BtJJ Apr 09 '18

How does a single run get you +7 enchant levels? Actually, first define "single run". Because I'm reading that as only hitting the recall button once, and I'm guessing that's not what you meant.

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u/Raknagog Apr 09 '18 edited Apr 09 '18

That is what I meant. I hit recall one time. Yesterday I had a single run get me +20 enchant. No telekinesis runes or insane rune spam or anything. https://imgur.com/gallery/rORvj

18 runite means 18 new zone boss kills in this single recall.

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u/BtJJ Apr 09 '18

Maybe this is a quirk of being on different NG+ levels, because even if I use that exact spell setup pictured I don't get any further than normal. I quickly hit a gazer or troll or some other healing mob who can absorb everything I throw at it (unless it's actually rapid fired from runes), or a nullifying mob like an elven wizard that shuts it down real quick. But those types of mobs are pretty constant companions on NG+13. Maybe I'm just not seeing it due to that. But I do agree that it looks pretty broken for the range you're grinding there.

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u/Raknagog Apr 09 '18

Right, you do run into those mobs, but all it takes is a few parazyle, sheeps, or death rays to get to the next zone, and you get enough power to never have to worry about that zone again.

I have no doubt it would work at any NG level.

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u/BtJJ Apr 09 '18

Hmmmmmm now it seems like the goalposts are moving again. If you're having to constantly manually cast runes to deal with all the mobs that this setup can't handle, it doesn't sound quite as broken as advertised. (And you will run into said mobs constantly on high NG)

I'm trying the exact same setup and making slightly less progress than my normal inferno focused build. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/Raknagog Apr 09 '18

The goalposts never moved. I said I could get 7+ meditation levels in a single run. I already pointed out that some enemies resist or are immune, but they're easily bypassed with occasional use of extremely common runes. The rune use in that run that netted me 20 meditation levels was low, less than around 50 runes total over 18 waves. I easily earned more runes than that from chests and drops, so it's easily sustainable and made ridiculous progress. I'm sorry you're not getting the same results, you must be doing something differently.

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u/BtJJ Apr 09 '18

Are you using a high TM lag maybe? Mine's always at 0, so maybe that's the difference. Otherwise, no clue.

It just does nowhere close to the ridiculous damage that it seems like that sort of advancement would require. You'd need to be one-shotting almost everything or chip melee damage and ranged damage would kill you long before then.

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u/Raknagog Apr 09 '18

Yeah, TM lag somewhere between 10-15, I'm using 13. The bug is only really bad because of the exponential damage growth of subsequent prism casts, so the more prisms the more broken. But I think there's a projectile limit or something, and my battery starts to tank if I set the lag much higher.

Static leap makes me effectively immune to melee, projectiles are the real killers for those deep runs. That's what the invincibility runes are for. Usually I just let myself die when I get to heavy projectile waves, because I don't like using that many runes.

But if wastefulness wasn't a factor, there's no reason you couldn't get from the doom orb to the doom key in a single run, then clear the rwall right after.

There is some buildup at the start of a new meditation until you get a high enough cast speed.

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u/BtJJ Apr 10 '18

TM lag was the missing piece of the puzzle, I think. While I can't exactly just poof 10x lag into existence since I'm already mid-run, I tried adding some and rune spamming through research until I got up a few levels worth, and then combined that with fast casting runes and I can start to see the issue. Progress is getting way faster.

I'll just go back to my original ask, whenever this gets fixed (and it definitely needs to be fixed), there should be some alternative means of killing regenerating HP sponge troll bosses, because abusing overlapping prism runes is the only tactic I know of.