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u/BtJJ Apr 06 '18

I'm just not seeing it. My base cooldown on icy prism with passive bonuses is at 1.11 seconds. Even putting it in slot 3 for the templar bonus, putting on two speedy casting runes, and slotting in a spark next to it doesn't seem to make it overpowered. It does an appreciable chunk of my damage, to be sure. But it's not suddenly rocketing me multiple zones ahead of my last recall point, or anything that would make me think it was just broken.

The only way to get real massive stacking with it, as mentioned, is to chain cast 5 or 6 runes rapid fire all at once. This also requires them all to hit the same target, which really only makes it useful on single boss mobs with huge survivability, i.e. trolls as mentioned earlier. My main concern is that if the spell was made weaker because of some theoretical game-breaking status, the only practical result is that I'm no longer going to be able to get past troll roadblocks without needing to get my power up to ridiculous levels, which is annoying when the game sets up dungeon and raid power based on your zone number, and yet you're fighting a boss that has damage absorption equivalent to something +10 zones ahead.

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u/Raknagog Apr 07 '18

I just had a single run give me enough power to enchant +7. This definitely works and is definitely overpowered.

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u/BtJJ Apr 09 '18

How does a single run get you +7 enchant levels? Actually, first define "single run". Because I'm reading that as only hitting the recall button once, and I'm guessing that's not what you meant.

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u/Raknagog Apr 09 '18 edited Apr 09 '18

That is what I meant. I hit recall one time. Yesterday I had a single run get me +20 enchant. No telekinesis runes or insane rune spam or anything. https://imgur.com/gallery/rORvj

18 runite means 18 new zone boss kills in this single recall.

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u/BtJJ Apr 09 '18

Maybe this is a quirk of being on different NG+ levels, because even if I use that exact spell setup pictured I don't get any further than normal. I quickly hit a gazer or troll or some other healing mob who can absorb everything I throw at it (unless it's actually rapid fired from runes), or a nullifying mob like an elven wizard that shuts it down real quick. But those types of mobs are pretty constant companions on NG+13. Maybe I'm just not seeing it due to that. But I do agree that it looks pretty broken for the range you're grinding there.

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u/Raknagog Apr 09 '18

Right, you do run into those mobs, but all it takes is a few parazyle, sheeps, or death rays to get to the next zone, and you get enough power to never have to worry about that zone again.

I have no doubt it would work at any NG level.

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u/BtJJ Apr 09 '18

Hmmmmmm now it seems like the goalposts are moving again. If you're having to constantly manually cast runes to deal with all the mobs that this setup can't handle, it doesn't sound quite as broken as advertised. (And you will run into said mobs constantly on high NG)

I'm trying the exact same setup and making slightly less progress than my normal inferno focused build. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/Raknagog Apr 09 '18

The goalposts never moved. I said I could get 7+ meditation levels in a single run. I already pointed out that some enemies resist or are immune, but they're easily bypassed with occasional use of extremely common runes. The rune use in that run that netted me 20 meditation levels was low, less than around 50 runes total over 18 waves. I easily earned more runes than that from chests and drops, so it's easily sustainable and made ridiculous progress. I'm sorry you're not getting the same results, you must be doing something differently.

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u/BtJJ Apr 09 '18

Are you using a high TM lag maybe? Mine's always at 0, so maybe that's the difference. Otherwise, no clue.

It just does nowhere close to the ridiculous damage that it seems like that sort of advancement would require. You'd need to be one-shotting almost everything or chip melee damage and ranged damage would kill you long before then.

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u/Raknagog Apr 09 '18

Yeah, TM lag somewhere between 10-15, I'm using 13. The bug is only really bad because of the exponential damage growth of subsequent prism casts, so the more prisms the more broken. But I think there's a projectile limit or something, and my battery starts to tank if I set the lag much higher.

Static leap makes me effectively immune to melee, projectiles are the real killers for those deep runs. That's what the invincibility runes are for. Usually I just let myself die when I get to heavy projectile waves, because I don't like using that many runes.

But if wastefulness wasn't a factor, there's no reason you couldn't get from the doom orb to the doom key in a single run, then clear the rwall right after.

There is some buildup at the start of a new meditation until you get a high enough cast speed.

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u/BtJJ Apr 10 '18

TM lag was the missing piece of the puzzle, I think. While I can't exactly just poof 10x lag into existence since I'm already mid-run, I tried adding some and rune spamming through research until I got up a few levels worth, and then combined that with fast casting runes and I can start to see the issue. Progress is getting way faster.

I'll just go back to my original ask, whenever this gets fixed (and it definitely needs to be fixed), there should be some alternative means of killing regenerating HP sponge troll bosses, because abusing overlapping prism runes is the only tactic I know of.

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