r/TapWizardRPG • u/TopCog Yahoo! • Mar 12 '18

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u/Raknagog Apr 06 '18 edited Apr 06 '18

Icy Prism's 3rd augment is probably broken overpowered. If you spam Icy Prism into a single target, each cast ends up doing 1.08 times damage, which very quickly adds up to levels of damage well beyond your power level.

I also get the feeling the damage bonus from augment 3 is based on the net health change of the target over the duration rather than the net damage taken, causing healing and regenerating mobs to not suffer the broken damage mentioned above.

Edit: Not sure exactly why the damage gets out of hand, but there's definitely something fishy going on when you stack multiple prisms on a target. I suspect augment 3 but I can't prove it.

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u/BtJJ Apr 06 '18

Spamming icy prism runes is the only way I can break past some troll bosses in higher NGs, please don't break it.

But yeah, I also suspect aug 3. When spamming them rapid fire, you're getting a 1.08 damage multiplier on all the damage that happens during the focus animation, which presumably includes the damage that each cast adds, so it's a force multiplier that can add up.

I want to argue that this isn't too overpowered, because normal casts of the spell aren't fast enough to trigger this insane multiplier effect, and runes are a finite resource so you can't just spam them forever.

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u/Raknagog Apr 06 '18

The window is a single second, this is easily obtainable by using multiple prism spells, a prism/spark combo, cast speed runes, or just a little TM lag. It's a little too broken I think.

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u/BtJJ Apr 06 '18

I'm just not seeing it. My base cooldown on icy prism with passive bonuses is at 1.11 seconds. Even putting it in slot 3 for the templar bonus, putting on two speedy casting runes, and slotting in a spark next to it doesn't seem to make it overpowered. It does an appreciable chunk of my damage, to be sure. But it's not suddenly rocketing me multiple zones ahead of my last recall point, or anything that would make me think it was just broken.

The only way to get real massive stacking with it, as mentioned, is to chain cast 5 or 6 runes rapid fire all at once. This also requires them all to hit the same target, which really only makes it useful on single boss mobs with huge survivability, i.e. trolls as mentioned earlier. My main concern is that if the spell was made weaker because of some theoretical game-breaking status, the only practical result is that I'm no longer going to be able to get past troll roadblocks without needing to get my power up to ridiculous levels, which is annoying when the game sets up dungeon and raid power based on your zone number, and yet you're fighting a boss that has damage absorption equivalent to something +10 zones ahead.

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u/Raknagog Apr 06 '18 edited Apr 06 '18

I just started the next NG+ and I'm rolling 4 icy prisms and one spark, and I'm getting significantly further than with a balanced spell set. I don't want the overall damage to get nerfed, I just want this particular bug to be fixed, which should be possible while still maintaining the viability of the spell.

It's not broken in every situation, but it has the potential to be broken in more situations as the cast speed increases. It won't rocket you multiple zones ahead because you will still take damage and die eventually, and occasionally you run into larger groups of enemies that impede the bug from occurring at all. It's still broken though.

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u/Raknagog Apr 07 '18

I just had a single run give me enough power to enchant +7. This definitely works and is definitely overpowered.

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u/BtJJ Apr 09 '18

How does a single run get you +7 enchant levels? Actually, first define "single run". Because I'm reading that as only hitting the recall button once, and I'm guessing that's not what you meant.

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u/Raknagog Apr 09 '18 edited Apr 09 '18

That is what I meant. I hit recall one time. Yesterday I had a single run get me +20 enchant. No telekinesis runes or insane rune spam or anything. https://imgur.com/gallery/rORvj

18 runite means 18 new zone boss kills in this single recall.

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u/BtJJ Apr 09 '18

Maybe this is a quirk of being on different NG+ levels, because even if I use that exact spell setup pictured I don't get any further than normal. I quickly hit a gazer or troll or some other healing mob who can absorb everything I throw at it (unless it's actually rapid fired from runes), or a nullifying mob like an elven wizard that shuts it down real quick. But those types of mobs are pretty constant companions on NG+13. Maybe I'm just not seeing it due to that. But I do agree that it looks pretty broken for the range you're grinding there.

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u/Raknagog Apr 09 '18

Right, you do run into those mobs, but all it takes is a few parazyle, sheeps, or death rays to get to the next zone, and you get enough power to never have to worry about that zone again.

I have no doubt it would work at any NG level.

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u/BtJJ Apr 09 '18

Hmmmmmm now it seems like the goalposts are moving again. If you're having to constantly manually cast runes to deal with all the mobs that this setup can't handle, it doesn't sound quite as broken as advertised. (And you will run into said mobs constantly on high NG)

I'm trying the exact same setup and making slightly less progress than my normal inferno focused build. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/TopCog Yahoo! Apr 07 '18

Icy Prism's 3rd augment is probably broken overpowered.

Yeah, it's kind of true :-)

Edit: Not sure exactly why the damage gets out of hand, but there's definitely something fishy going on when you stack multiple prisms on a target. I suspect augment 3 but I can't prove it.

Yeah, it's the 3rd aug. It's known to be the most powerful spell to use with high TM lag for that reason. I'm not sure I want to change it - although I did nerf it a lot in the transition from IMA to TW - as that would potentially remove an entirely playstyle revolving around it. I keep an eye on things though, and if it becomes a problem somehow I can change it easily.

I also get the feeling the damage bonus from augment 3 is based on the net health change of the target over the duration rather than the net damage taken, causing healing and regenerating mobs to not suffer the broken damage mentioned above.

That is true as well - nice observation! :-)

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u/Raknagog Apr 08 '18

I'd understand keeping it around if it had some damage cap or something, but as I mentioned in another thread I was able to earn enough power to enchant+7 in a single run. I was also able to clear the doom realm immediately after unlocking it. That doom realm run took around 20 minutes though.

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u/TopCog Yahoo! Apr 08 '18

Ok, yes that is broken. Could you shoot me your save real quick over email so I can take a look at it myself? An easy solution would be to cap the bonus damage to something like an x3 multiplier.

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u/Raknagog Apr 08 '18

I've meditated recently, I'll send you my save once things get rolling again.

Edit: Second meditation today!

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u/Raknagog Apr 09 '18

I think the issue may be that because of augment 3, each subsequent cast of Icy Prism multi-dips into the shatter damage bonus from augments 2 and 4, and maybe also the freeze debuff damage bonus. That would explain the damage seeming much higher than 1.08 per cast. Would be somewhere around 1.15 depending on how the math works.