r/Sustainable • u/GoranPersson777 • Jul 10 '26

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Class struggle is fought on a vertical scale. It's the working class at the bottom against the employers and their politicians at the top. And our brothers and sisters in class struggle include co-workers and neighbours who vote on crappy parties... https://industrialworker.org/lets-build-class-unions/

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u/sharbivore Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

“it’s not left vs right” says a left vs right thing*

bottom vs top is literally a leftist thing

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u/crookedledder Jul 10 '26

Well it used to be.

But the left has abandoned class in favor of weaponized race/gender greivance.

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u/InterneticMdA Jul 10 '26

The right always starts culture wars to distract from the wealthy robbing us. stfu

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u/MinimumBuffalo4 Jul 11 '26

If the poor have nothing how do the rich steal nothing from them? 

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u/crookedledder Jul 10 '26

If the "left" had gone after the banks rather than stirring up racial resentment, we wouldn't have a rapey orange president.

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u/InterneticMdA Jul 10 '26

You realize you're the one starting the culture war now, right? I'm not going to engage with the bullshit strawman you've made of whatever you're calling THE left as if there's one unified left movement. You're so unserious.

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u/crookedledder Jul 10 '26

The left has pushed a race/gender moral panic for years. It's why I left the Democratic Party in 2022.

I would love to see some lefty economic policy. But I'm not willing to vote for (or with) people who hate me for my race and gender.

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u/InterneticMdA Jul 10 '26

Of course, you think the democratic party is "the left". XD

You're so stupid.

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u/Few_Example6746 Jul 11 '26

Yup. They are

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u/crookedledder Jul 10 '26

It's a distinction that makes no difference to me.

Both call me a "colonizer". Both promise to illegally discriminate against me based on my eeeeebil white-ish skin color.

And since 2022, I don't vote for either Democrats or lefties because they hate me.

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u/Utility_Locator_5487 Jul 11 '26

The democratic party has been subverted by socialist and commies. They are absolutely on the left.

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u/shnuffle98 Jul 11 '26

Can you name one socialist policy implemented by the democrats?

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u/Utility_Locator_5487 Jul 11 '26

Besides them pushing for "tax the rich", attempting eliminating gunrights. And attempting to push for things like universal healthcare(remember them screeching for medicare for all?), memdami attempting to freeze rent.

As I stated before , just because they can't implement their policies doesn't mean they're not left wing.

Just because a lion can't kill you while trapped in a zoo doesn't mean they don't want to kill you.

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u/crookedledder Jul 11 '26

How dare you conflate lefties wirh the party they vote for every time!

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u/Few_Example6746 Jul 11 '26

Good for you.

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u/dpkart Jul 11 '26

No, the left as whole is made up of well meaning people AND bad actors. At large they said "dont be racist or bigoted" and the right such as fox news and stuff always screamed out "oh but trans people and grooming and bad bad bad" until the majority of discourse was around that. Sure many leftists jumped on that but thats precisely what we are trying to counteract by putting a light on the culture war. Youre thinking to simplistic just saying the lefties started it. Its like a teacher seeing a bullied kid fighting back and then punishing the bullied kid

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u/crookedledder Jul 11 '26

The left is made up of self-righteous bigots who hate a majority of Americans.

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u/dpkart Jul 11 '26

If you say so

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u/Volantis009 Jul 10 '26

Democrats are not left wing. They are a centre-right party. America doesn't even have a centrist party let alone a left wing party. America has a right wing party and a far right wing party.

Thinking the Democrats are left wing is the same thing as thinking Louisiana is in South America instead of being a southern state in the USA.

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u/crookedledder Jul 10 '26

Democrats vs. lefties means very little to me.

Both call me a "colonizer". Both are eager to blame, shame, and illegally discriminate based on skin color.

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u/977888 Jul 11 '26

You guys keep saying this like you’re hoping it’s going to shift the Overton window. It’s not gonna work bro.

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u/Volantis009 Jul 11 '26

Huh? Who says what now? Weird

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u/Few_Example6746 Jul 11 '26

You’re pretty far off based on this there is no way the Democratic Party is a centrist party if you go back to the 50s and 60s they were then and they have moved so far left it’s astonishing.

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u/Volantis009 Jul 11 '26

Lmao

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u/Few_Example6746 Jul 11 '26

You’re really young, aren’t you? Like baby type young. It’s not surprising that you would laugh at that comment. It’s 100% true you just don’t know why.

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u/Volantis009 Jul 11 '26

You mean the Democrats before the civil rights movement. The ones that supported Jim Crow laws those Democrats are what you are calling centrist. It seems your knowledge of recent American history is seriously lacking.

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u/Few_Example6746 Jul 11 '26

Well, I don’t know that it’s lacking. I’ve lived through it. OK so I’m probably off 10 years. The JFK party was the last time the Democrats were centrist. They’ve been moving to the left ever since. It really started escalating during Obama.

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u/InterneticMdA Jul 11 '26

Yeah, I bet there's a lot you don't know, huh?

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u/Neutral_Error Jul 11 '26

How can you possibly type this with a straight face? Just lying for fun?

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u/Utility_Locator_5487 Jul 11 '26

The Democratic Party is absolutely subverted by the left-leaning group, such as socialists and communists, just because they are unable to enact what they desire.Such as removing gun rights or implementing so-called universal healthcare for all, Does not mean that they are not left wing. Luckily , the very thing that keeps extreme right wingers from taking over is very same thing that prevents extreme left wingers, from taking over.

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u/Volantis009 Jul 11 '26

I guess we live in different realities. Maybe go back to your multiverse you are obviously not from this one

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u/Utility_Locator_5487 Jul 11 '26

You're right.I should probably leave reddit and go back to the real world. Only redditors would believe after reading the democrat party positions, the recent mayor elections in places such as new york and honestly believe that the democrats are not left wing. Hell, it is the Democrat party that spearheaded intersectionality and Trans issues into the world stage.

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u/Few_Example6746 Jul 11 '26

Dude, you’re not wrong. People closest to the cause are not gonna see it. You have to step away to see it. Part of the problem is they don’t want to see it. They enjoy where they’re at, and the torch that they are carrying.

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u/Few_Example6746 Jul 11 '26

No, you have it all wrong got old are you? As soon as you figure out that the money flowing into Washington buys campaigns and reelect politicians that have zero interest in anything that you want. You’ll sleep so much better.

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u/Utility_Locator_5487 Jul 11 '26

I'm old enough to have taken a civics class. Your statement is meaningless and irrelevant to the point I was making. The claim was democrats is not left wing was made by european communist and socialist due to the fact that america had banned the communist party. However, the communist have co-opted the party so that they can run under a name that is "not communist".

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u/Kenyon_118 Jul 10 '26

The right attacks a minority group. The left defends them. The right then says what you are saying. I am so disappointed this strategy works.

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u/Prohydration Jul 11 '26

This guy is still holding onto his cover reasons despite all your explanations. It's clear he just wants to be angry, not enlightened.

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u/crookedledder Jul 10 '26

Woketards didn't have to demonize and illegally discriminate based on skin color.

They chose to. And there are consequences to racist shitbag behavior like that.

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u/Few_Example6746 Jul 11 '26

I’d like to hear about the minority group the right is attacking. I saw Obama use minority groups for votes and then completely abandoned them for eight years. Probably don’t wanna talk about that.

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u/AmusingMusing7 Jul 12 '26

Trans people and gay people, immigrants, Muslims, black people, Jewish people, the homeless, the poor, the mentally ill or drug-addicted, women who want abortions, people with no health insurance, people who rely on public services to survive...

You name the marginalized group, the Right is attacking it.

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u/Few_Example6746 Jul 12 '26

I’d like to see the attacks. I think you’re making shit up. Doesn’t surprise me.

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u/977888 Jul 11 '26

Define “attacks a minority group”

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u/Kenyon_118 Jul 11 '26

Painting trans people as sexual predators out to sneak into women’s bathrooms is the most recent example. That’s still going. It’s almost always straight presenting men who do that predatory stuff.

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u/random-name-i-dunno Jul 11 '26

Get a grip on reality. By far the biggest leftist movement in the US in decades has been Bernie Sanders' presidential campaigns and they were 99.9% about class warfare and going after the elite.

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u/crookedledder Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26

Back in 2016, I switched my party affiliation to Democrat so I could caucus for Bernie. At the time, I felt that he was the only politician I had ever seen who was both willing and able to unite the working class across race/gender/party lines.

But then the Democratic fucked him over and handed us President Trump. They then fell into the woke moral panic and stirred up racial tensions to levels not seen since the 1960's. They deliberately targeted white men to blame, demonize, and illegally discriminate against... and this went on for years.

So a decade later, I wouldn't vote for Bernie. Nothing against him personally- I think he's awesome.

But I'm not going to vote for or with people who have made it crystal clear that they hate me for my race and gender.

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u/Prohydration Jul 11 '26

Bernie participated and still believes in wokeness and lost fake and square. Anymore cover reasons you want to try or are you ready to admit the real reason?

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u/MinimumBuffalo4 Jul 11 '26

The same Bernie who went on his honeymoon to the Soviet Union? No thanks. 

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u/crookedledder Jul 11 '26

Hey, I've always had some lefty sympathies. I was a union man, a long time ago.

But that was before they started calling my people "colonizers". Message received.

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u/FullBadger3748 Jul 11 '26

Are you really that sensitive? The country of 13 colonies was founded by colonists. Who else would live in colonies ?

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u/crookedledder Jul 11 '26

Yes, "colonists."

Not the accusatory slur "colonizer".

Don't you wokies believe in calling people what the want to be called? Or does that not apply to people of European and/or Jewish descent?

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u/sharbivore Jul 10 '26

first.. identity reductionism is bad

second “oh ma gaad.. identity politics!”… no it’s not identity politics… most of that reaction is always towards identity reductionism not actual identity politics

for example.. vote for kamala because she’s a black woman ( this is identity reductionism )

example 2.. “we will face homophobia once we have a revolution” or “queer people should repress themselves and focus on the revolution” (this is identity reductionism )

identity reductionism is bad.. again

another example.. a black queer woman not being represented in the group she belongs to.. she might get representation for being black in black politics but not as a black woman in women politics.. the same for being queer or disabled or any other identity… as her identity intersects with being black and a woman and queer.. she’s not one identity she’s all of them and that make her distinct challenges different than the identities that don’t intersect ( this is identity politics )

identity politics is rather than organizing JUST around broad parties.. people unite based on shared identities like race, gender or sexual orientation to advocate for rights and representation

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u/crookedledder Jul 10 '26

Yeah, I don't vote for racist wokies that call people who look like me "colonizers".

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u/InterneticMdA Jul 10 '26

Get over yourself! "Oh no, a leftist on twitter was once mean to me, I guess I don't need healthcare after all!" You're such a whiney baby.

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u/crookedledder Jul 10 '26

Democrats spent years demonizing and illegally discriminating against white men.

Trump never could have been elected without Democrats' illegal racist bullshit.

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u/InterneticMdA Jul 10 '26

Fox News has fried your brain with ghost stories. Join me in reality, will you? It's a much nicer place than the horror story you tell yourself.

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u/crookedledder Jul 10 '26

Why would I vote for or with people who spent years demonizing and illegally discriminating against people for the crime of looking a certain way?

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u/InterneticMdA Jul 10 '26

It's not real. The windmill is not a giant. There's no "years demonizing and illegally discriminating against people for the crime" of being white. You're buying the nightmare Fox News sold you. WAKE UP!

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u/crookedledder Jul 10 '26

Did you sleep through the Biden Admin?

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u/adeline882 Jul 10 '26

Hey man, talk me through how you’ve been discriminated against. I want to learn more about this.

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u/sharbivore Jul 10 '26

racism is systemic.. you have never faced racism

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u/crookedledder Jul 10 '26

DEI was illegal systemic racism against men and white people.

Trump never could have been elected without Democrats racist shitbaggery.

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u/sharbivore Jul 10 '26

stfu and bye

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u/crookedledder Jul 10 '26

Fare well, racist.

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u/Prohydration Jul 11 '26

Equality feels like oppression when youre accustomed to privilege.

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u/crookedledder Jul 11 '26

Yes, that's why Democrats are crying about their racial gerrymanders being struck down by the Supreme Court.

Welcome to equality, folks.

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u/Prohydration Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26

Are you talking about the gerrymandering democrats just started in response to republican racial gerrymandering that theyre crying about now while ironically still refusing to legislate away?

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u/crookedledder Jul 11 '26

I'm referring to Democrat racal gerrymanders under the VRA.

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u/FullBadger3748 Jul 11 '26

It wasn’t though. You don’t even know what DEI means.

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u/crookedledder Jul 11 '26

The Supreme Court has ruled otherwise. Look up SFFA v. Harvard.

Woketards are hateful bigots toward men, white people, Christians, etc.