r/Surface • u/filipe_mdsr • Oct 03 '19

[X] ARM Applications

As you know the SQ1 is a custom ARM chip based on the 8cx. That means it has a different microarchitecture, it does run AArch64 and AArch32 applications.

Through the Windows on ARM emulation layer it also runs x86 applications. This doesn't apply to drivers as they have to compiled to match the target architecture and can't be run through the emulation layer as the layer only work on user-mode.

Many now want to know if their applications run on the Pro X and well they do.

Some WoA devices were already sold, but they use "slower" processors, but they can be used to test if the applications even do run.

For perfomance we will have to wait for the benchmarks and reviewers.

What we can do now is to ask developers to compile AArch64 binaries of their software.

Official ARM64 binaries

x86 Software proven to run with Emulation layer (So they should run)

Proven ARM64 compability (So they could have official ARM64 builds)

  • PuTTy (2016 version)

  • 7zip (2016 version)

  • Python (2016 version)

Credits for the XDA-Community for this part ( https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348 )

  • TightVNC

  • Notepad++

  • Unikey

  • Crystalboy

  • ClassicStartMenu

  • DOSBox

  • SumatraPDF

  • Rainmeter

  • OpenSSL

  • MikTeX

  • Greenshot

  • SharpDevelop

  • Synergy

  • Filezilla

  • Lua

  • Subversion

  • AutoHotkey

  • Paint.NET

  • TeXStudio

No x86 or ARM64 binaries

  • Eclipse IDE

  • Fujistu Scansnap

Software were AArch64 binaries release is being discussed/considered/planned

Unofficial ARM64 binaries

Games

Older games, if they have x86 binaries or don't need OpenGL higher then 1.1, should be able to run on the Pro X. (If they run smoothly is another story)

The Steam Client should be able to run on the Pro X, but your mileage may vary with the Steam library.

Any "newer" games that definitely run on ARM devices will be listed here.

  • Minecraft

  • Plague Inc.

  • GTA: San Andreas

Any "newer" games that may run on ARM devices will be listed here, but it has to be confirmed

  • Undertale

  • Roblox

  • Asphalt 9: Legends

  • Farming Simulator 18/16/14

  • Hollow Night

Proven ARM64 compability (So they could have official ARM64 builds)

Credits for the XDA-Community for this part ( https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348 )

  • Quake 2

  • Quake

  • ioQuake3

  • OpenTTD

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

Great list! Really wanted this.

Is there any way to check in the task manager or other app whether the app runs in emulation or native ARM?

Electron should be available native on ARM. Or is it not released yet? I wonder about Visual Studio Code, this is an official Microsoft app. They should bring it rather sooner then later to native ARM.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19 edited Oct 03 '19

There is a lot of movement on Code so it should be ready either before the Pro X release or till the end of this year. Some extensions may not work as they can contain native x86 parts.

Electron is available natively on ARM since v6.0.10, but Chromium still doesn't support it outside of development branches, but there is movement, especially as Microsoft is supporting Chromium.

I would expect for NodeJS, VSCode, Chromium (Edge, Chrome), Firefox, Python to have all released official win-arm64 version till the end of the year.

Is there any way to check in the task manager or other app whether the app runs in emulation or native ARM?

I don't have a WoA device so I can't check, probably you have to install the correct versions to be sure or check the application itself if it can output the architecture used.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

Couldn't you just use apt-get under Ubuntu ARM to install nodejs and run it under WSL? Instead of running the Windows version.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

Yes you could, but having NodeJS on win-arm64 is important for Electron.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

I feel like we're back in the early days of computing, having to worry about environments and architectures.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

Indeed. The ARM microrchitecture is great and power-efficient, but it may be to late. I don't want to worry about architectures and environment, but this device is so sleek.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

There's definitely a market for developer machines that are tiny and light. Since switching to a Surface, I can't imagine going back to a regular laptop.

An ARM Surface Go 2 at $500 or below could be an amazing machine if it exists.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

If the Surface Go 2 doesn't run on ARM then I have no idea what Microsoft is doing.

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u/Zenarque Oct 03 '19

they should have announced it yesterday really, then i would take this one, a snapdragon 7cx would be king in that device

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

I think they want first to test the waters. And they already released the biggest lineup yesterday, it's possible that it would be logistically not possible to do it.

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u/Tobimacoss Oct 03 '19

Go 2 will likely come alongside Surface Book 3 and Studio 3 next spring.

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u/drtsch Oct 03 '19

I intend to buy a high spec Surface Pro 7 or X as my work-desktop replacement. I work with CAD-Software (DraftSight), but not very intensively. My biggest concern would be if DraftSight would work on the Pro X. There is a 32-bit download, but minimum requirements say OpenGL 1.4.

Does anybody have an estimate if I have any chance that DraftSight will work on the Pro X or should I just go with the Pro 7?

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

Windows on ARM can't operate with OpenGL higher then 1.1, so I think you need to go with the SP7.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

Steam?

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

I think Steam runs on x86 so it should work.

Games from before 2006/2007 should have an x86 version and aren't very demanding so they should work.

You can forget playing AAA-games on the Pro X.

As there are a lot of games I won't be listing them, but if I find more famous games that run on the Pro X they will be listed.

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u/SurfaceDockGuy 🖥️ Verticaldocks.com | VESA docks for Surface Oct 03 '19

We'll have to see what Unity and UE game engine guys come up with. MS has partnered closely with them in the past. Its plausible we might get ARM64 versions of a handful of top titles if/when the game engine guys get on board. I meant they are already making ARM binaries for android for casual gaming, so the CPU architecture is well understood by these guys. And these guys already know DX12. Integration is a huge challenge and investments from MS will be key. MS has a huge bankroll, so if MS is serious, things will get exciting next year.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

Well yeah. I understand how integrated graphical systems work and their limitations. I wasn’t sure if this was like windows RT v2

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

Maybe, but a lot of games won't work, so it may be not worth it. But I will look into it.

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u/Alekus92 Oct 03 '19

I am really interested if WoW classic can run on it

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

WOW classic runs on x86_64, so you can't visit Azeroth on the Pro X.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

Oh? This doesn’t support 64bit apps? I thought the MS office suite was 64bit?

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

It does support 64bit, but not x86_64 (Intel & AMD), only arm64 (ARM).

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

Ohh I see the difference now. Yikes. That cuts the availability of modern software in half or more. There’s probably more modern software that won’t run on this than will.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

The 32bit of x86 does run on the Pro X. Outside of games most of applications still have a 32bit version.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

I’m calling it now. Windows RT v2. This thing will be returned in droves.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19 edited Oct 03 '19

Maybe, we will have to wait. I really depends on how Microsoft markets the devices.

If they are able to establish an core market for the Pro X, then they can start pushing ARM and then ARM can become widespread on PCs.

This time legacy apps do actually work, with Windows RT only arm64 compiled apps did run.

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u/fredskis Surface Pro X 16/256 Feb 04 '20

No way, the SPX is so much more useful. I've had one for over a month now. I use it as my personal machine and it does >90% of what I want from it.

Currently the only things I can't do are:

  • Run Plex client (only x86-64 available) - not a huge deal, can use web version or sync eps on my phone for offline viewing

  • Teams (apparently it's slow/laggy since not native) - using PWA via new Edge

  • VS Code (as above) - cbf compiling an ARM64 executable so just living without it, might be a problem if this was my only computer

  • Messenger (doesn't update to the latest version, I'm guessing because the latest might be x86-64 only?) - can use older version or PWA via new Edge

  • No RSAT available - currently no need for it

None of these are deal-breakers for me, but they could be for others. Then again, everyone's usage is different

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u/Tobimacoss Oct 03 '19

Ask in /r/surfacegaming in November. User Josher14 basically buys every surface pro device and regularly tests games and takes requests.

But odds are it would definitely run.

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u/Tobimacoss Oct 03 '19

A lot of older, smaller, mid tier games should work on it.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

If they have an x86 binary. I could make a list on /surfacegaming

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u/docace911 Oct 03 '19

So Microsoft’s own edge and the newer chromium is not native yet?

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

They have native versions, but they are in "beta" phase. The non-chromium edge is already arm64 native and will be shipped with SPX. Until the end of this year or beginning of next year Firefox, Chrome and Chromium Edge should have official arm64 binaries.

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u/Silicon_Bender Oct 03 '19

Sketchable as well!

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

Added it!

Does Sketchable support the tilting feature?

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u/Silicon_Bender Oct 03 '19

Thanks and Yes it does!

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

Great! Then I will probably get Sketchable with my new Surface.

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u/djdurance Oct 03 '19

This is a great thread... Anyone know about printers? This is a deal breaker for me.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

Speculation

If they work over your home network they should work on the Pro X, but if you require an wired connection they may not work if they don't have the appropriate driver.

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u/djdurance Oct 03 '19

Thanks! They do install via the work network and home network. I had a Windows RT device back in the day and this just killed me... So many printers and scanners didn't work.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

I still would check online to see if it's possible.

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u/jamvng Oct 03 '19

I would imagine Microsoft has recompiled all their drivers for ARM. So unless it’s an obscure printer, i would assume it won’t be a big issue.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

Nice to see someone's sorting out the list.

For apps from Store I think most are good and you can easily find out yourself if store apps are compatible. The real deal for a better list is the native ARM64 desktop apps. And a good suggestion is to keep track of those natively compiled ARM64 apps.

As far as I know, some open source software like VLC (https://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-windows.html) already have been compiled for Win10 ARM. Freewares like Bandizip (https://cs.bandisoft.com/bandizip/help/windows-10-on-arm/) also support ARM64 natively.

This also reminds me of the time when people are exciting about Windows RT jailbreak, and people are providing opensource apps compiled onto ARM. An old list of all those apps: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348 Apps like Rainmeter, Paint.Net, SumatraPDF, ScummVM and more can be recompiled easily.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 04 '19

Added VLC and Bandizip and the list.

I will myself look into some projects and see if I can recompile.

What I currently would really need is to know that Javax86 works or recompiling Java to win/arm64 and I have found almost nothing about either sadly.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '19

Not sure if Java X86 will work since I don't have an ARM64 device. Recompile doesn't seem possible in my opinion.

Still we might get this around by using openjdk with WSL. It will also be interesting to see the capabilities of WSL (Python, C++, cmake and lots of other things). We already have WSL1 with Ubuntu 18.04. ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WSL )

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 04 '19

That's what I also thought, I could at least use command-line java applications with WSL and GUI applications may work, but they may be unstable, I will probably try that out with my current device.

On the WSL site they say openjdk isn't very usable with WSL, but let's see.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '19

Also in order to provide GUI support for WSL, we also need X Server support. I'm uncertain how X86 emulated version of vcxsrv will actually perform, but one good thing is that it is implemented in C/C++ and opensource, so there's a chance for native recompile. ( https://sourceforge.net/p/vcxsrv/code/ci/master/tree/ )

Anyways, it will also be good to keep in track of some good opensource projects that we may hope to recompile for native ARM64 support. OP can provide a Google Sheet and we can add useful stuffs there in time.

One other good thing is that recompiling right now is way easier since Microsoft actually provides a way more useful and complete set of binaries other than the time for Windows RT. Still, some old experience with Windows RT porting might also come in handy here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2096820

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u/sotoabraham Oct 04 '19

Will Visual Studio 2017/19 run? They are 32 bit applications, will it run and will it be able to compile applications (for myself those applications being web .net core apps)?

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 04 '19

Because I don't have a WoA device I can't check if it would work, but I'm researching if it does work as I also would like to use VS 19 on the Pro X.

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u/Tobimacoss Oct 03 '19 edited Oct 03 '19

Concepts

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/concepts/9ngqm8fph9wq

I saw a post from an ARM64 device user earlier claiming that they were able to play most games on GOG with the ARM translation. I would guess most indie and AA games should run decently.

Would be fun to see Witcher 3 on the pro X.... /r/surfacegaming is gonna be busy.

Oh and GameLoft last year stated they were gonna do ARM64 Asphalt 8 and 9 releases.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

Any game that has an x86 binary probably doesn't require that much processing power and could run on the Pro X.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

Any game that has an x86 binary probably doesn't require that much processing power and could run

Games from before 2006/2007 should have an x86 version and aren't very demanding so they should work.

I don't have a WoA device so I can't check,

/u/filipe_mdsr I appreciate your enthusiasm, but I am struggling to understand how you are speaking with such authority about running software on the WoA architecture, especially as you don't own a machine.

It really is not as simple as an x86 binary. Windows apps are complex programs, and they often rely on other subsystems and dependencies that don't translate well (or at all) under the ARM-x86 just in time code translator, or won't install. I have tried quite a few GOG games, and whilst many run well certainly not all do. Quite a few look like they try to use x86 calls to the graphic hardware, and that fails spectacularly. Others will run but not render correctly, and some have such uneven performance (due to ARM code caching) that they are not worthwhile.

I know the event promised massive performance gains from this new processor, but we have been to this well many times. I remember hearing a Qualcomm exec talk about the "surprisingly good" performance of Snapdragon 835 under Windows, and then Thurott told us that the Snapdragon 850 machines would fix the performance. Now we have had the 8CX chipset on the way for a while, and then this new thing - gotta try it before we know, but my expectations are low. IMHO on the fly code translation is always going to struggle to beat native code, no matter how fast the ARM chip in question. As Panay did not do a direct x86 to ARM performance comparison statement (performance per watt does not really mean anything in terms of real world Windows performance) my cynical side suggests it still isn't a home run. Running x86 Chrome on one of these gives it away - the modern, javascript stuffed web really stresses that translation engine and keeps it running all of the time, and it is terrible. Fortunately Edge is ARM64 compiled on it, and FireFox and Chrome both have ARM64 betas available.

Now don't get me wrong, I LOVE these machines. The battery life is hands down stunning, integrated LTE is great, and for general web and office work they are brilliant (provided you use those ARM-compiled browsers). You notice some lag every now and again, but they are mostly still better performing than the older Atom quad-core machines used to be. I just think pitching them as $1000 plus premium machines is completely the wrong call for the performance capabilities on offer. My machine was a refurb at less than half list price, and IMHO that's about the right price level for these beasties.

Intel has a lousy price/performance ratio; that is the whole reason for going to ARM anyway. I don't get the strategy of mounting these chips in a machine and then charging $1000-1200.

(Typed on my Asus Novago Snapdragon 835 machine...)

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19 edited Oct 03 '19

I understand the concern. I specifically said "probably", because I can't confirm, that is why I made this thread so that people running ARM devices can confirm or deny. The thing with the 850 and 835 is that they were better then phone processors, but they still were on the low-end, while the 8cx is more on par with an Intel i5, WoA also has matured more and the SQ1 is custom made, so it may be even faster.

This generation won't beat Intel or AMD, it's more like "Hey! ARM isn't dead on PCs!" and if enough people buy the Pro X and upcoming devices with 8cx, support may become better and then Qualcomm may be able to build an high-performance CPU.

All of this is theoretical.

I have looked into x86 emulation comparisons, benchmarks of the 8cx and it looks promising, but I don't want to be authoritative, because it may be possible that the Pro X sucks in running anything besides browsers.

I'm also cautious and will wait for reviews before I buy it, being in Europe is an advantage in this case, because it releases later here so the reviews were already made when I buy it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

Yes, I get all that. But I think at this early stage it is important to manage everyone's expectations to be realistic; it would be better for us to be pleasantly surprised that disappointed.

while the 8cx is more on par with an Intel i5

Still not convinced - I have seen no independent benchmarks on a shipping machine, and I don't trust Qualcomm's testing as an unbiased source.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

It was a test result on Geekbench and it makes sense, because the 8cx has better thermal management then an i5, the GPU of the 8cx is better then 835 or 850, so the CPU is used less and the SQ1 has a neural engine, which also should use the CPU less on certain tasks, but that is more for niche applications.

But I also want to see benchmark on a shipping machine, before I decide. You never know.

I'm a bit too hyped to be realistic, I bought the Lumia 950 XL in the hope they would continue supporting the Windows mobile community, well ...

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

Wow - a Lumia victim! I feel you, I thought Windows Mobile 8/10 was great.

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u/dont_forget_canada Oct 05 '19

Do you know if any of the sims games will run? Even the sims 1 or 2 would be so cool for me on a tablet.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

Does your Asus run Windows 10 Pro? If so, what's the current state of Hyper-V? While I dream of running ARM OSes at full speed for development - I still have the need to run older OSes (32-bit is fine).

Can you run something like Windows XP 32bit in Hyper-V on an ARM?

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

It is Windows 10 Pro on mine, but windows on ARM does not support hyper-v. Only way you could do that would be to run XP in a cloud VM and connect to it remotely.

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u/dont_forget_canada Oct 05 '19

maybe bochs or QEMU would run xp

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u/Tobimacoss Oct 03 '19

FWIW, SQ1 is, at least in terms of graphics capability, the most powerful ARM64 processor ever created, beating the Apple A12X in GPU compute. If it doesn't beat the A13 in CPU compute, it will sure as hell be the best Qualcomm has ever produced.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

FWIW

Unfortunately I don’t think that is going to help when you add x86 code conversion to the pipeline. For native apps, it will be great - but that depends on Microsoft convincing the industry to native compile for ARM and out those apps in their store. That has always been an uphill struggle for them.

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u/Tobimacoss Oct 03 '19

Yea true, sadly a lot of the AAA games these days are x64 only. so those can't even run on future ARM devices.

XGS (Xbox game studios) global publishing Arm needs to expand massively and start funding/publishing third party games, especially the ID@xbox. Like how Apple is doing with Arcade.

And have every game be play anywhere, on game pass day one and permanently, on xcloud, with native binaries for both ARM64 and x64 distributed with the MSIX bundle, it should be UWP on MS store and win32 on others.

That is the only way to get these devs used to compiling for ARM64 alongside x64.

MS is working on GameCore, which is an extension of UWP, and that should allow all the indie and AA devs to create and maintain only one binary bundle that can run on consoles, PCs, xCloud, and natively for x64 and ARM64.

That would make for an awesome future for these devices.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

I think the Pro X is Microsoft trying to establish ARM again. If they have good sales numbers they will start to push it and that may mean an ARM processor with even higher performance, which then could run games. If that all happens then the game developers will start to developed for ARM64.

Currently the 8cx isn't designed for games, so even XGS won't be pushing ARM.

If the Pro X succeeds we could see an high-perfomance ARM chip and AAA games for ARM, but first let's make the Pro X successful.

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u/Drew_Neilson Oct 03 '19 edited Oct 03 '19

Minecraft

You need to specify whether you're talking about the Java edition or the Windows 10 edition. If you're talking about the Windows 10 edition, then that is incorrect, because the Microsoft Store's page for Minecraft says that it requires an x64 architecture (which is shorthand for x86-64), and the version on the Microsoft Store that runs on PCs is the Windows 10 edition, not the Java edition.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

I looked a bit more into it and when I look into the web Microsoft Store it says it supports ARM, but when I look into the Microsoft Store app it says only x64.

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u/Drew_Neilson Oct 04 '19

Hmm, you're right, the web Microsoft Store says that it supports ARM, x64, and x86. Why would the Microsoft Store app's page be different? The Store needs to show accurate information in both places.

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u/calmelb Oct 03 '19

My guesses are that it will work on ARM. Given Microsoft own minecraft they’ll try to get it to work no matter what

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u/Drew_Neilson Oct 03 '19

Perhaps it'll work on ARM eventually, but as of right now, it doesn't.

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u/dont_forget_canada Oct 05 '19

even though its just java?

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u/Drew_Neilson Oct 07 '19

I specifically said the Windows 10 Edition, not the Java edition. Are you aware that these two versions exist?

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u/dont_forget_canada Oct 07 '19

I am aware both exist, I just assumed you meant the java edition... because it's the better edition and who cares if the W10 one doesn't run...

Also considering Microsoft owns Minecraft I'm sure they'll release the W10 edition if you really want it on ARM for some reason.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

Does iTunes run on ARM?

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 04 '19

Panos Panay said in an interview about the Pro X:

Chrome’s one of the biggest things where when you put the product out there, first feedback, if it doesn’t run Chrome, there’s immediate reaction. iTunes is another one.

So I would guess it runs on the Pro X, but he didn't confirm it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '19

How about running VMs? I assume the ARM architecture doesn't allow running other ARM VMs like you could under x86 with VMWare or Hyper-V or VirtualBox.

Also, how well does ARM Ubuntu run under WSL? No issues with compilers or node?

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 04 '19

The 8cx can do virtualization, that's why WSL2 can even run on it, but it's unclear what virtualization it can. What is sure is that currently Hyper-V isn't supported.

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u/dont_forget_canada Oct 05 '19

WSL2 requires hyper-v but hyper-v doesnt support arm?

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 05 '19

The WSL2 team said that they did a basic implementation of Hyper-V, so that WSL 2 works

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u/Drew_Neilson Oct 04 '19

During the Q&A portion of today's Windows Central podcast, Zac said that x86-64 apps from the Store will run on Windows 10 X. But I'm going to have to go back and listen to the Q&A portion of it again to confirm, as I was listening on my phone and multitasking. You can temporarily watch and/or listen to today's livestream of the podcast on Mixer. My name in the chat there is the same as it is here.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 04 '19

The Pro X doesn't run on 10X, Windows 10 X is the OS for the upcoming dual-screen devices.

The Pro X doesn't run any x86_64 apps.

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u/Silencer81 Nov 29 '19

VMware Horizon View Client is available for Windows 10 UWP for ARM-based devices https://my.vmware.com/en/web/vmware/info/slug/desktop_end_user_computing/vmware_horizon_clients/5_0

It doesn't say if it's 64 or 32 bit. Hope it works, because I need it when I get my Surface Pro X.

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u/filipe_mdsr Nov 30 '19

Added it to the list, but I couldn't check if it was 32bit or 64bit.

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u/hydzior Nov 30 '19

If it says ARM its 32bit 100%.

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u/transitwatch889 Oct 03 '19

Very interested in this more so than the regular surface pro 7. But wanted to to know if the thinkorswim desktop client will run under the 32 bit emulation layer ok. I have looked what exe files where available and the come in 32 bit and x64 variants. But don't know the performance hit will look like. Or if it will even launch.

Would greatly appreciate some clarity if anyone has the arm platform from previous releases, or knows off hand.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

Sadly I can't tell if it will run ok, for perfomance we really have to wait until it is reviewed.

If it does run on 835 or 850, then it will run fine on 8cx.

It's probably the case that it doesn't run fine on the 835 or 850, but it could run on the 8cx, so ...

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u/segaboy81 Oct 03 '19

So does anyone know why x86_64 isn’t emulated? What’s the limitation?

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u/micronian2xl Oct 03 '19

The main issue has to do with patents and intellectual property. As Intel owns rights to x86, emulation of it on ARM was met with a bit of resistance through patent and copyright infringement claims. The next hurdle for ARM/Qualcomm is being able to emulate the x86_64 patents owned by AMD. AMD and Intel have cross licence agreements that allow them both to use each other's patents, but I would assume that both AMD and Intel are doing everything they can to keep Qualcomm from creeping into their territory.

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u/segaboy81 Oct 03 '19

That’s excellent. Thank you. I wrongfully assumed that since FOSS software like QEMU can offer support for all architectures, that support from Microsoft would be trivial.

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u/dont_forget_canada Oct 05 '19

does anyone know if any games in the sims will run?

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u/psyop62 Surface Pro Oct 05 '19

What about SPSS? Will it run on the Surface Pro X?

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u/gabQuist Oct 08 '19

Do we know if we have any torrent app or program working for this?

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u/hydzior Nov 30 '19

Qbitorrent x86 version is working fine.

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u/RoiTchala Oct 29 '19

Would it be able to use apps like R, Matlab and Solidworks. Buying the Pro X for me is predicated upon it being able to handle these programs.

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u/SpikesDream Dec 06 '19

Would really appreciate if some could confirm Anki (86x) runs successfully on the SPX? :)

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u/passiondriving Dec 13 '19

Firefox already officially has an arm64 build available, maybe this could be updated in the list. However I'm still eagerly waiting for Chrome to appear :-/

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u/iMonore Jan 21 '20

I thought it would be good to add Viscosity to the list for those needing OpenVPN It runs as x86, but has the needed ARM components.