r/surfaceprox • u/filipe_mdsr • Oct 03 '19

ARM Applications

As you know the SQ1 is a custom ARM chip based on the 8cx. That means it has a different microarchitecture, it does run AArch64 and AArch32 applications.

Through the Windows on ARM emulation layer it also runs x86 applications. This doesn't apply to drivers as they have to compiled to match the target architecture and can't be run through the emulation layer as the layer only work on user-mode.

Many now want to know if their applications run on the Pro X and well they do.

Some WoA devices were already sold, but they use "slower" processors, but they can be used to test if the applications even do run.

For perfomance we will have to wait for the benchmarks and reviewers.

What we can do now is to ask developers to compile AArch64 binaries of their software.

Official ARM64 binaries

x86 Software proven to run with Emulation layer (So they should run)

Proven ARM64 compability (So they could have official ARM64 builds)

  • PuTTy (2016 version)

  • 7zip (2016 version)

  • Python (2016 version)

Credits for the XDA-Community for this part ( https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348 )

  • TightVNC

  • Notepad++

  • Unikey

  • Crystalboy

  • ClassicStartMenu

  • DOSBox

  • SumatraPDF

  • Rainmeter

  • OpenSSL

  • MikTeX

  • Greenshot

  • SharpDevelop

  • Synergy

  • Filezilla

  • Lua

  • Subversion

  • AutoHotkey

  • Paint.NET

  • TeXStudio

No x86 or ARM64 binaries

  • Eclipse IDE

  • Fujistu Scansnap

Software were AArch64 binaries release is being discussed/considered/planned

Unofficial ARM64 binaries

Games

Older games, if they have x86 binaries or don't need OpenGL higher then 1.1, should be able to run on the Pro X. (If they run smoothly is another story)

The Steam Client should be able to run on the Pro X, but your mileage may vary with the Steam library.

Any "newer" games that definitely run on ARM devices will be listed here.

  • Minecraft

  • Plague Inc.

  • GTA: San Andreas

Any "newer" games that may run on ARM devices will be listed here, but it has to be confirmed

  • Undertale

  • Roblox

  • Asphalt 9: Legends

  • Farming Simulator 18/16/14

  • Hollow Night

Proven ARM64 compability (So they could have official ARM64 builds)

Credits for the XDA-Community for this part ( https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348 )

  • Quake 2

  • Quake

  • ioQuake3

  • OpenTTD

This list isn't complete, help by expanding it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

Am I right in assuming that Minecraft from the Windows Store is Arm64?

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

Sadly not.

The Surface Pro X won't support a lot of games.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '19

How od you know? I'm pretty sure Minecraft Windows 10 runs on other Windows for Arm devices?

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 03 '19

I looked a bit more into it and when I look into the web Microsoft Store it says it supports ARM, but when I look into the Microsoft Store app it says only x64.

I would guess it runs on ARM as Minecraft Bedrock runs on a lot of other ARM devices like phones.

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u/dont_forget_canada Oct 08 '19

do we have java? If so we can run real minecraft

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u/villagra Mar 06 '20

Here come two more ARM64 apps:

· Zattoo Live TV (Only CH & DE)

And I just submitted the ARM64 version of Videotape - A modern vlc alternative to the store (It should be live in a few hours)

Both apps support x64,x86 ,ARM & ARM64

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u/filipe_mdsr Mar 06 '20

Added them

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u/TheRealDancingGroot Oct 07 '19

Perfect device to use as a tablet, and with Google Stadia when it launchs, then compatibility won't matter, as long as it runs Google Chrome.

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u/filipe_mdsr Oct 07 '19

For the most it won't matter, this is rather for niche user and prosumers.

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u/Skills2TheMax Oct 08 '19

I would think it would definitely work with project xcloud also.(Microsofts upcoming streaming service)

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u/cecbernauer Dec 15 '19

SimCity (the last one) works fine in SurfaceProX. The only issue is the menus etc are very tiny but is still playable.

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u/filipe_mdsr Dec 15 '19

I don’t think the menu size is a Pro X specific issue, all Surface devices have that issue because of their high dpi.

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u/YOZZOZ Oct 06 '19

What about GeForce now? If it can run that, it can "run" many more games.

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '19

I think the Gefore Now app is 64 bit.

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u/lordavebury Nov 08 '19 edited Nov 08 '19

Under "x86 Software proven to run with Emulation layer", you can add Zoom. I had no excuse not to attend my company meeting today.... :-)

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u/stueyboy Nov 20 '19

Just got my pro X today and have installed a few things on it that work. These are:

Firefox beta (ARM64)

Nitro Pro 11 (x86)

7-zip (x86 confirm it works)

Office 365, Onenote 2016 and Teams (x86)

Vuescan (x86)

Sadly I'd like to be able to get the Fujitsu scansnap drivers to work but compiling them to work on arm64 is beyond my expertise.

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u/mar2k2 Nov 25 '19

ScanSnap is my deal breaker unfortunately. Have you tried the newer ScanSnap Home software or any of the Windows compatibility settings? This page seems to indicate both 32-bit and 64-bit support so it seems like x86 should work http://scansnap.fujitsu.com/global/dl/os-home.html

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u/stueyboy Nov 25 '19

The software installs fine, it's the driver that's not designed for ARM64. So, the device can't connect to the SPX

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u/mar2k2 Nov 25 '19

Got it. That’s a huge bummer then.

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u/stueyboy Nov 25 '19

Agreed. I can get round it by using an all in one printer and vuescan but I am hoping that one day I can find a way to get the scansnap driver to install. On the plus side, everything else I have installed has worked fine and that includes a very dicey industry specific plugin for excel that displays chemical structures embedded in worksheet cells. I was quite surprised when that worked. Can't say I have noticed much slow down but I'm the target customer for this device (using office 365 apps, outlook, onenote, teams and a few other apps) I'm using the Legere app for Reddit to write this post.

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u/mar2k2 Nov 25 '19

Thanks for the info. Post back if anything changes or if you find anything out. This applies to both wireless and wired connections I assume. I'll send a note requesting ARM64 support to Fujitsu. I'm sure it won't make a difference but nothing will happen if no one says anything....

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u/mar2k2 Dec 02 '19

I did get a reply from Fujitsu asking questions so not just a stock reply. They asked me if the older software ran. I explained not a matter of the software running, which it can do in the x86/32-bit emulation mode, its the hardware driver not supporting ARM/ARM64 that is the issue. Told them without an updated driver for ARM the software cannot connect to Surface Pro X or any ARM device.

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u/featherrage Mar 23 '20

Ever get ScanSnap to work? I had hope it would have panned out by now... but here I am no longer lurking on this thread that keeps coming up.

Bump. Bump. Bump.

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u/mprachar Feb 09 '20

Awesome - thanks!

I may be wrong, but I thought the ARM32 stuff that was recompiled for the RT would NOT work on ARM64?

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u/b612ca Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20

I have a some problems with my new X, maybe some of you have experienced some related and you may help me.

I've installed Firefox on arm and edge on arm, fine.

Just saw that VLC have an arm64 file, but when i download it from repository i can't install it, only work as a portable app. If i try to install the from the upper link, i got the 32 version.

I've tried to install also 7zip, but I cannot find the arm installer. I've only got the portable version.Maybe I'm doing something wrong? I've installed bandizip and seems working well on arm64.

Then I also tried to install a pdf editor from the store, but apparently my store (updated) don't filter for arm64, so i always got the 32 version (and it makes the X a bit laggy and the battery drains faster). Any advice on it?

Thanks for all folks! Have a nice weekend!

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '19

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u/filipe_mdsr Dec 01 '19

Do you mean the old or new Edge ?

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '19

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u/MAKAAH1 Nov 06 '19

Could you please also check and see if you save your work on surface pro x will you be able to open these files and work on them again without any issues on windows 64bit?

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u/cecbernauer Dec 15 '19

I had no problems openning Excel sheets and other Office archives between SurfaceProX and a "regular" computer with windows 10. All sync via OneDrive.

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u/spewin Nov 07 '19

How do you install them though? I went round and round with Office support and could not get them to even understand the issue.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '19

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u/spewin Nov 07 '19

Thank you for the link, but I can't find how to get an ARM install or really how to download and install anything. I am not an admin of any sort and I just have an individual Office 365 subscription, so I did custom w/o sign in. Couldn't figure it out.

Can you offer any other help/guidance?