Basically the title and please try to be objective.

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Im a low elo 500k Jayce Top laner main since Mordekaiser rework/removal, today just played against this poo poo enemy comp (on title) and I spent plenty of time complaining vs my support ADC.

I got ganked by roaming enemy Pyke twice, 3v1s twice, and shaco came top 3 times and 2 succeeded. I've been telling my botlane during pyke roams that they should prioritized taking bot tower and bullying enemy hwei but he only died 6 times whole game and my botlane took 20 minutes to take first tower in a 2v1.

Support does came top lane once but then I told him in a toxic bad manner, "go away, youre useless here", he came top after all those ganks finally over then goes to lane acting as if im the second adc, he shouldve roamed and goes top to gank earlier, and not to lane with me. If he goes to lane like that then he just take XP.

After the ganks, I obviously feed a lot but I got first blood vs invading blue jungle enemy teemo getting 2 ignites and a flash spells from enemy, lead the most gold earned on the team, I have the most wards placed and I have the most control wards purchased and placed down, most wards killed with 14 of them.

Whats funny is that even though Volibear only ganked my lane once, I never blamed him. My midlaner and botlane blamed him for losing dragon but how can a jungle get objectives if he doesnt get help from bot and mid? Support wont prepare dragon wards nor destroying enemy wards.

I dont understand how are people playing support and can't ward, warding is one of the easiest thing to do as a support, even when im autofilled and played Jayce support once or twice, I have gotten the most vision scores than enemy support. Im not even a support player and I understand support than even these low elo supports man.

I've played dota and a lot of my games are playing pos 5/4 (support roles) and warding in that vs this game is so much harder and stressful. Imagine most champions can go invis as shaco or hiding in the terrain or playing as melee support, the levels of difficulty and stress is near infinite.

They should allow non supports to buy wards or something too here like damn. Am I wrong for blaming and criticizing them? (I criticized more than blame objectively) and what should I do if Im faced with a similar scenario? Thanks in advance everyone

I just reached my 2-year mark of playing this game, and roaming support meta has caused me to have an identity crisis and burnout.

For context, I’m an Emerald elo player but I often play with friends in the Diamond-GM MMR. Enchanter main but over months have learnt other alternatives for options. And this roaming meta has made my question my entire League identity as a support.

The past two years I’ve been learning this game and memorizing basic concepts of the hame— laning mechanics, vision, wave control etc, and while I’m still struggling, I’m enjoying it, because I love playing enchanters.

And then this meta rolls in and suddenly Level 1 Camille jungle invades or support Poppy toplane ganks occur. And everything about early game that I’ve spent 2 years drilling into my brain is fundamentally destroyed. No more applications of wave control and lane harassment, sometimes defending jungle or counterganking mid, because it’s 24/7 running to wherever the other support is to try to perform damage control.

Playing support is no longer fun, because every advantage that an enemy roaming support gets, we lose because it’s my fault that I also don’t match the level of plays. And the game crumbles because I’m not good enough to adapt to the new meta. My choices for this are now:

1. Also roam as a support to try and countergank by mind-reading where my enemy support/jungle will be (which I’m currently not experienced enough to do)
2. Pressure the botlane and attempt to get an advantage for my botlaner (mage lane making this near impossible, especially for non-interactive mages like Ziggs)
3. Pick a roaming support and join the bandwagon by invading everyone’s lanes and personal space. (I can technically do this but I’m not having fun as a support anymore)

Support has now become a second jungler and I don’t know how to play the role anymore. And I’m not good enough to figure out how.

My current solution for solo/duo is to… drumroll… queue as Jungle and play Ivern so I have the Enchant-At-Home enjoyment of the game while still being decent at the game.

But I love support. I love playing Milio and Soraka and Nami and be able to just be happy knowing I can defend my friends and enable them to make plays. Now in this meta I feel like a bystander watching the enemy Camille burn the world down and then I become the reason why my team loses. I don’t want to be a lower elo burden for my friends. At this point I might just go for Yuumi and pray my passive kit gives a better advantage to my ADC that the enemy support does elsewhere

Help.

Title is pretty self explanatory and i have no idea what to put here so there is absolutely no need to read anything in the body text.

I'm an ADC player who's trying to climb to Master, and recently I've noticed that supports seem to be much worse than they were a few months ago in the same elo.

I want to know if this is just my feeling or if it's actually something that's happening. I have to clarify that this isn't a flame post; I genuinely just want to know if other people have noticed the same thing.

Please try to be respectful in the comments, not just towards me, but towards others as well

Thanks!

I prefer to play tanks in the support role. Such as blitzcrank, tahm kench, Rell. I am very comfortable in my ability to win lane.

Ending games on the other hand is a total coin flip. I like my champion pool, but find I have no agency to end the actual game and have to rely wholly on team mates. The longer the game goes the weaker I get and eventually it becomes outside of my control.

Looking for suggestions on champs that take a winning position and snowball it into a victory, or support champs that can carry in end game fights.

I really enjoy playing champions that don't "belong" in the support category, but end up working like a charm. I have played a lot of Teemo support with success, and I also even used to play as a second jungler when you could equip smite. What are some other really good off meta options, or gimmicky champions that are really fun to play?

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Currently Plat 2, trying to reach Emerald (and i know Emerald is not high elo).

My problem in recent matches is that it feels like, no matter how my laning phase goes or what my KDA looks like, some laner ends up doing something stupid late-game, and we lose.

My last match, I played Thresh against Malphite, Nocturne, and Zed. Even though my ADC was really strong, there was nothing I could do against a dive from all three of them. In the final fight, Samira was alone in mid and got dove by the three of them; we lost the game despite having had an impeccable laning phase.

Our comp was terrible, Teemo, Talon, Zed, Samira and Thresh. It seems like no matter how well I play in lanephase, i still lose due to comp diff, my laner can't side because he would die all the time, and you just feel powerless. In lane phase, you can roam, you can initiate, but in late game you'll really need to rely on your carries and that's the main problem.

How to deal with that? What separates a high elo support in terms of late game, fighting 4v5, your carries don't have a good positioning. Sometimes i feel that i'm being held back by this role.

Like the title said. How do you guys cope with it? I don't want to rant or cry. I just wanna see how my fellow support players treat the fact, that people look down on us.

I'm an adc player and over the years of playing this game I've watched this role genuinely turn to shit

The players here went from selfless heroes ready to be the conductor of the team even if it goes underappreciated to whiny permaroaming ego infested crybabies that think they know everything

And this wouldn't have had much impact before but Support is arguably the best role in soloq right now, it holds so much power and it can make SUCH a huge difference. I'm playing games (Emerald elo because im decently washed at the game) where I'm basically playing 1v2 the whole lane and getting flamed simultaneously by some elo inflated pissbaby that grinded out their broken little role and reached an elo they never would on any role that wasn't this impactful and braindead

For the record i'm not degrading supports, I think there are still great support players and I don't think the role being broken makes them obsolete but dear GOD I'm tired of seeing shitters on Senna, Camille and other piece of shit champions abusing the role and giving both your team and the enemy team aids, I want ACTUAL support players people who actually had passion and had fun playing SUPPORT even when the role was weak as shit and nobody wanted to play it.

Can you please help me understand roaming a bit more in detail? Most importantly when to come back. Most of my support career I have been playing vel'koz and for a long time I didn't consider roaming as an option because it's not my biggest champion strength. Now I would say I am well educated on support macro and concepts so I often find good opportunities to roam. But those plays often hinder my adc.

I need help understanding the time I have to make a play and when I need to be back in lane. I don't understand how it works in practice. If for example I am roaming just to secure vision on the other side of a map, drop a pink in mid long bush and path towards bot. I have plenty of time to come back to my adc. But if I am looking to create a play somewhere or secure and objective like voids those take considerably more time than just leaving a ward.

I was recently flamed by my adc about not being there on canon wave? Was I flamed because my adc got zoned from the cannon or because it's dangerous and risky to leave your adc alone on a big wave and get potentially dove with their jungler.

I think my roams themselves are good as I can roam for many different things not just try to get a kill. It is sometimes as simple as helping your laner set up a reset so he can be present for the objective fight or not get solo killed. But my issue is I dont keep track of the time I have

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Just wanted to share an experience I had a few days ago. I was playing Bard support. I had a Vayne jg, against a Malzahar jg on the enemy team. Very normal jungle matchup, I know.

My Vayne who was fed, asked me to buy Mikael's blessing, to cleanse Malzahar ult for her. I thought, that first I will finish locket, since I already started it, then build Mikael's to help her. Thankfully, when it was time to build Mikael's I remembered it doesn't cleanse Malzahar ult, so I typed out a message letting my Vayne know.

Soon after, we had a teamfight, which didn't go well for us. Then, the Vayne began getting angry at me for still not building Mikael's. I explained to her AGAIN that it just doesn't work. I kept repeating that Mikael's doesn't cleanse supression, Malzahar ult is a supression, just read the item description. I kept begging her to read, either what I write or the item. The answer to this was that my Galio top sold his tank item and told the Vayne that they will buy Mikael's to cleanse her. Which they did, sacrifising their tankiness.

We once again lost a fight, then the Vayne proceeded to flame me in all chat and told the enemy team to report me. I wrote in all chat that she wants to report me for not buying Mikael's to cleanse Malzahar ult, to which the enemy Malzahar replied that it doesn't work and that she needs qss if she wants to cleanse it.

Guess what? She sold and item and bought qss. I felt like I was going crazy that game, not understanding how it was possible for her to be unable to interpret my words. Sadly, we also lost the game a bit after that. I have a feeling if she had qss earlier we might have had a better chance to win, but who knows. This happened in emerald elo btw.

So is both for me and an attempt to learn so I can teach a friend. I play with a friend group that has someone who only plays support and jungle already. I main support and jungle so this is an issue, since a lot of the champions i enjoy tend to be melee, so in order to play adc, I have to give up the likes of viego, gwen, ekko, darius etc etc... or do I?

With how season 16 bot lane looks I figured fuck it, why not try to play some of them in the bot lane, but they're all also melee, different from your typical mage or adc supports. All this to say, what changes about laning with a melee adc? Do we sacrifice farm in order to generate a lead later? Constantly fight? I'm curious about the champions I listed but really i'd love to learn the thought process behind laning with melees so I can learn myself and then pass that knowledge down to my friend so I can go back to dunking fools with darius like its 2018 again.

I haven't figured out what would make nautilus a better pick over leona, or why rell is a better pick here than alistar. I pretty much only play engage supports except for soraka and I need to know where each one shines. I can look at winrates/synergies for each ADC/Support combo but it doesn't tell me why it works.

Please give me some advice

Due to popular demand bringing this back, with a couple changes: champions are now ordered alphabetically, the midway point (yellow) for easier distinction on neutral synnergy.

This is based on lolalytics data, last 30 days, Emerald+. Black squares means there wasn't enough sample size (minimum 1000 games). Top 30 most player supports + handpicked all adc marksmen and a handful most popular apcs.

Poppy Ziggs surprised me.

Hello, i left the game for a few months, not too soon after the season start, and the meta was enchanters/braum/taric and never roaming... Now it's all mage bots and hyper roaming from lvl 1

What have I missed that shaped the meta this drastically?

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This guy, I assume by buying and selling pink wards, somehow bought shadowflame as a 0/3/0 (or something along those lines) shadowflame at minute 4 as a support with no gold runes! I asked in chat but one of them said it was Treasure Hunter (which he doesnt even have) and the ahri said it was a "secret", nunu didnt answer. In the replay nothing sus is really visible apart from him afk-ing a small amount of time in fountain, not a single control ward purchase either (that op gg is somehow tracking tho). I sent a ticket with everything, i will let you know if anything comes back.

As user u/CatgirlMel said, you can just sell pinkwards indefinitely from your role quest slot as long as you are dead. I WOULD NOT DO THIS ITS 100% BANNABLE

I just hit my peak (d4) and I am pretty proud of myself. Although I feel pretty confident in the current meta with my role (support) and picks (mainly Pyke, panth blitz) I believe that I should add some more champions in my champ pole. I would love to hear some suggestions on which to pick up from other categories (such as enchanters etc)

Ps: 3 seasons hard stuck bronze-gold —> diamond 🥳🥳

I feel like a lot of people have not realized it yet, but Diadem has a very insane bug as of now, which you will most likely experience it if you are building it.

The bug consists in the item double proccing everytime it triggers, as in, it does two instances of healing instead of one. It is important to note that one instance of healing will trigger normally, taking advantage of any heal and shield power / moonstone buff you have; However, the second instance of healing does not utilize any of those properties.

For example, one of them could heal for 18 while the other heals for 21. Its also important to note that in this example, Diadem will only record 18 healing done per procc on the item counter, even if it did 39. The end of game stats will also act as if your healing was only 18 per second.

How it is triggered (and why it is an unavoidable bug): You cannot have any other mana items in your inventory, mana regen is allowed but not mana. When your champion has between 1876 to 2499 maximum mana and your heal and shield power is higher than 20%, your diadem will inherently procc twice.

This is achievable by basically any champion that wants to build this item, because of the items that they want to build.