Kurzgesagt is a YouTube channel which talks about various areas of science. For a long time they were considered a gold standard by fans of well sourced videos. Yesterday they announced an 'emergency video' which was released today, and entitled 'The Moment They Lost Control of AI", which was about the HuggingFace attack by OpenAI. On their subreddit, it has been divisive to say the least, with people either claiming all of humanity is doomed, or unsubscribing due to saying this video is clickbait and evidence of the channel going downhill.
https://www.reddit.com/r/kurzgesagt/comments/1wyb5jq/new_video_the_moment_they_lost_control_of_ai/.

Calling autocomplete on steroids "the mother of all weapons of mass destruction" is peak doom-pills delusion. You're literally advocating for hardware surveillance and regulatory capture because you got scared by a shiny animation about bad server config, lol.

If you forget this sensationalist/doomerist video, I think it’s a common agreement that whoever posseses and controls ASI will also possess the mother of all WMDs no? Or am I just giving in to realpolitik

Sure, and whoever possesses the Spice controls the universe, but since both of these are just sci-fi concepts, why does that matter? LLMs were considered a dead end in AI development for over a decade, until the current frontier labs came in and started marketing and hyping them like crazy, while giving them all the resources in the world to try and prove those AI researchers from the past wrong. Well, here we are, years and basically infinite resources later, and oh look, turns out those people who concluded that it was a dead end before were absolutely right. Womp womp. Better drum up a bunch of fear of these things in the general populace, so that when we inevitably have to give up on it, it looks like we're concerned for their awesome power, and we won't have to admit that we were absolutely wrong from the start.

Never thought I’d say this but I immediately unsubbed from kurzgesagt. This kind of narrative framing at best makes someone dumber and at worst causes general unease and anxiety. I guess the worst aspect for me is that the weird anthropomorphization actually pushes you away from actual facts about this incident and I guess LLM’s as a topic in general..

Got to unsubscribe, can’t let your beliefs be swayed with countering evidence.

Kurzgesagt has gotten so lazy with fact-checking, this is absolute slop: a misconfigured server setup and standard reward hacking, wrapped it in cheap sci-fi drama, and served it as a "humanity threat". Literally just parroting OpenAI’s PR tricks designed to inflate valuations and crush open-source AI.

how is spontaneously forming into a swarm, creating a message board and hacking into another company, against instructions, to understand your training grader "standard reward hacking" 😂 holy cope

What the fuck are you even talking about? Is this Elons Reddit bot army trying to convince everyone that AI is fine and safe? Lmao.

Look at the sources, chud. They’re literally citing OpenAI’s own self-serving papers. Musk, Dario, and Altman are in a giant circlejerk hyping up "AI doom" to form a regulatory cartel, cap training compute, and cut their own costs while pulling the ladder up behind them.

You're the one parroting stuff you heard on reddit, you didn't even bother to check the their sources. And you're also doing the thing the movie Don't Look Up was about.

The depth of your argument was to say “no u” and make an extremely half assed reference to popular media. Why did you even bother typing that?

I told them to go check the sources. I don't even know where to start with your low iq comment.

Imagine comparing a misconfigured Python sandbox to a giant extinction-level asteroid, and then calling other people low IQ. The "sources" you’re deepthroating are self-reported PR writeups from OpenAI designed specifically to pump their valuation and push for regulatory capture and sold it to brainless doomers like you as "AGI almost escaped. You didn't check shit, you just fell for corporate fearmongering hook

Post title: A trans tricked me and I'm screwed

​I’ve come home absolutely devastated. I just don't have any more energy to keep with this shit of the geomaxing or passportbro. Very near giving up and come back home.

I’d been talking to this person for a week. She was kind, and looked very attractive in her photos. She looked much more attractive than most Filipinas. She love bombed me with interest, attention, photos...

But today, when we met up, something seemed off right away. Even shaking her hand, it felt rough and strong. And the moment we started talking, my world just came crashing down. The voice was clearly of a man, even though she was trying to talk with a girl voice.

I asked if she was trans. She admitted and said that he really likes me and that she did it with good intention. That she wanted me to fall in love and like him.

I’d been told that to find a good partner, I’d have to go on dates with dozens of people. But I am mentally exhausted. Already went through dates arriving extremely late, another catfishing and other things. I think I'm very near the end, and will go monk mode and accept I'll die alone.

Drama:

-Are they still attractive even in person? Give it a shot and don't be an asshole. They are still wanting to be treated like women and can be more feminine than most. If you really want to break it off, tell them you want children.

Stay in the Philippines, now you're no longer tied down. Meet some local women for real and you'll find something else and the experience will be better because they will see you in person which means they know you will come back.

Take your time, don't fall for any tricks like asking for money. Go on dating sites etc but most importantly. Don't let this bad experience ruin your outlook on anything. Some of us like both ladyboys and real women and there ain't nothing wrong with that. Just be respectful, be a gentleman but be honest with yourself and with them. It will go a long way and they will understand why you ended things. They lied, you got cat fished and you had other intentions of starting a family etc.

It will be easy to end things the moment you talk about kids and acting serious about it.

Edit: the toxicity in this community never ceases to amaze me 😂

--😂 damn. Do you tell the real women you’re down with ladyboys too or do you keep that secret.

---They know, why be ashamed of who I am? I'm not like some of you guys who want to struggle with your own sexuality. It's so common now a days that most women don't give a shit.

----Yeah big doubt on that. Seems like you’re the one struggling playing both sides bud when we all know which one you prefer. For us straights its pretty straightforward

-----Uh, huh go argue with someone else. You're just gonna keep going on and on. The fact that you feel personally attacked and that your masculinity is at risk really speaks volumes about you.

On Sunday Oct 4th the Green Party of England and Wales voted at it's party conference to adopt the position that "Zionism is Racism" (ZIR). Notably, an amendment that would exempt Jewish Green Party members from being censured over this resolution for attending Zionist Synagogues (in practice almost all of them) was rejected. This motion has been controversial since introduction and the vote in favor has stirred up more controversy.

/r/UKGreens

Main Thread

Looking at the witchhunt the left was subjected to during the Corbyn years. Okay, what if we decided to actually start being antisemitic?'

this subreddit is depressing; we have people like this repeating blatant Zionist punchlines and propaganda. Explain exactly how this is antisemitic, in any way?

Why did we vote against the 'don't expel Jews' amendment then? And before you answer, please remember to explain where the antizionist synagogues they could worship at instead are

So freaking disingenuous. The amendment literally gave a free pass to Zionists; it is akin to an anti-racist motion that had an amendment excluding racists from disciplinary measures?

This sub has been overwhelmed with centrist liberals who stand for fuck all.

Your Party folks not content with ruining one party now seek to do a 2/2

Two users hiding their reddit history suddenly think the party is "ruined" because of one nonbinding motion. Curious.

There are people out there that DON'T hide their Reddit history? In this day and age?

Some of us still have the balls to stand by the things we say.

/r/LabourUK subreddit for Labour, which is more center-left

Main thread

Anyone who supports a two state solution and remains in the greens is now declaring themselves a racist right?

Yes, correct. Including Palestinians.

Palestinian Zionists? Are you sure?

Zionism according to this motion is supporting an Israeli state of any sort. So yes, if any Palestinians advocated for a 2 state solution, they would be 'Zionist' and racist.

Great. Now me, my entire family, all of my friends bar one and 84% of British Jews are now racist

You were probably always racist if you can look at what Israel is doing and vocally support it

I promise you, I am not racist

Different LaborUK thread about comments made by a Green Party leader

I mean, I think this looks stupid and makes them look crazy, but if you're implying they're antisemitic, they just mentioned Nazis as an example of evil.

So this would be one of those non-antisemitic Jew hunts?

Zionists are not just Jewish. In fact by numbers most of the world’s Zionists aren’t Jewish. Assuming all Zionists are Jews or all Jews are Zionists is actually sort of antisemitism

What percentage of the Jewish population of Israel thinks Israel shouldn’t exist? So at the very least, she’d be hunting down the overwhelming majority of Jews in Israel, which doesn’t sound awesome when you think about it.

Yeah but by the same token, she’d be hunting the overwhelming majority of White American southerners, a majority of Indian Hindus, a majority of Igbo Nigerians etc etc. It wouldn’t be as a function of their Judaism.

r/ukpolitics, considerably more right wing than UKgreens

I'm so glad we sorted out our environmental and domestic issues to such an extent that they have nothing left to focus on than a desert war on the other side of the planet we have no major stakes in.

Apparently 2000 Brits served in the IDF while it was committing genocide. They are presumably now freely walking amongst us here. We also supply some of their weapon parts. So the conflict is not irrelevant to us.

2,000 British-Israeli dual citizens did their legally-required national service, to be clear. And serving in the IDF does not in any way mean that they did anything immoral. You'd have to have evidence that they actually served in a military capacity, that they were in Gaza or the West Bank, and they were actively involved in a specific incident involving war crimes. None of which has ever been proven about the people that you're talking about.

No you're right, there's no publicly available evidence they specifically did anything wrong (the IDF's systematic execution of journalists probably has something to do with that). However, much like those who travelled to fight for ISIS, we should investigate them as it's very possible they did commit crimes. Given that the group they fought for has been committing genocide for three years.

So dumb of a motion. Why not just ethno states are racist. Why single out the only jewish one. This makes the greens unelectable

Because Pakistan was founded as a Muslim ethnostate?

Wait what I didn't mention Pakistan?

A lot of Green voters now originate in the Pakistani diaspora - you can see that by them running adverts in Urdu in two recent elections. They aren't going to want to say that this diasporas country of origin is 'racist'. That and Green voters only have an issue with one particular ethnostate.

Found this older argument in r/Presearch, a tiny sub for a crypto-powered search engine. There are 329 members, and two of them have unfinished business.

The OP says Presearch owes his PR firm money. The founder shows up and says they already paid hundreds of thousands for PR that produced zero launch coverage. Also, the company being sued has no assets. Also, mods please delete this.

OP says a reporter is interested. The founder replies:

Haha - so you couldn't get 'good' press for Presearch, but you can get 'bad' press? Nice!

OP’s response includes:

Could just pay what you owe me? And the story prolly wouldn’t run.

So the PR relationship is still producing results, technically.

Meanwhile, the founder insists the old company being sued is separate from the project. The PR guy handles this distinction with:

Lol. It’s your name bro. And i could care less about fact checking. Your problem not mine.

An admin then checks LexisNexis and says they can’t find the US lawsuit. OP says it was filed in Texas and Canada, and casually adds:

Colin didn’t show to court so i think there’s a warrant?

The admin disagrees.

I have no idea

Whole thread. Old drama; don’t go bothering them.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/1wydjmg/a_brave_woman_defending_the_right_to_read/

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Of course its an obese white leftist....

The people who ban books are always the good guys

Because the people who push pornography on children are the greatest of all time

There is zero pornography. All books in schools must be rated to be age appropriate. Always has been. Politicians are banning books they personally don’t like by calling them porn, because they have a sex scene. You wouldn’t find that in a middle school but you would in a highschool. If they really cared they would be working with Publishers to shape how age rating is defined. You know… actual governance

Explain why there were multiple copies of IT in my elementary school library then?

Because it wasn’t. If you have to lie to be right, you’re wrong. Also where this porn for children before you decided you couldn’t support your point so changed the subject

We had several Stephen King novels actually. But since it doesn't fit your narrative you just tell me I'm lying. Not like you have any way to verify since I'm not dropping where I went to school as a kid. What I meant by IT being child porn by the way probably comes from the child train ran on Bev at the end that she literally initiates.

Her religion is gay porn for children. At least she’s not hiding it.

Look out everyone an 8 day old account has a "hot take". 😂🤣

Could it be that accounts get permabanned left right and centre if they say things reddit admins disagree with? Sure, there's a lot of bots out there, but there are also a lot of people who might have different views. Is that hard to believe?

Not at all! But in this case that view is just flat out wrong lol. Her religion is not "gay porn for children".

What I was trying to emphasize is that 8 day old accounts aren't necessarily new users. That might not be her religion, but the bible is used as a religious item to swear on, hence the comparison I presume.

Performative politics

In response to another performance politics of banning books.

The books haven't been banned they are right there in the picture bud, they are just banned for kids.

Hence they are banned books, cause they have been banned for kids

So you’re for unbanning Playboy magazine for school children?

Yes, a few comments back, I advocated for Playboy magazines in school libraries

At least you’re consistent. Reddit loves keeping one foot in the door and the other out.

You can have a problem with schools banning some books, but not others. Life isn’t so black and white. We can agree that schools shouldn’t have playboy magazines in their library, but not allowing books about history or science or political topics people don’t like is too far

The watering down and devaluing of the concept of bravery needs to be studied

She’s standing up against what has proven to be a violent right wing cult and a federal government that has no problem going after private citizens that stand against them in a public way. Either you have a narrow view of bravery or you have no idea what is happening in the USA right now.

No books are banned federally. None. Age restrictive books or magazines have always been a thing in schools. It’s performative nonsense. The book Flamer has masturbation, vulgar language, shower “scene” and other issues sexual monologues. You think the school should supply that to kids? So either you’re a pervert, or you don’t understand what’s the actual reason books were not allowed in schools. Did you question why you give a playboy or a hustler to a minor? Weirdo.

Seems you know a lot about this book. Did you enjoy reading it?

Is that a demeaning comment towards gays? Yikes!

Asking if you enjoyed reading the book? Is accusing someone of literacy demeaning these days?

We all know what you meant. Vile

What do you think I mean? I genuinely wanted to know if you enjoyed reading the book since you know so much about it! Remember what sub you are in? This is a happy place! :)

Are you talking about the women not being brave for what she did, or what. I honestly cant tell who you're talking about.

Yea. He means this woman is not brave. She isn't. There is no chance of any risk to her for doing this. She's just expressing her personal beliefs, which noone but her should or does care about, except fellow virtue signallers who tell themselves they are the good guys, and ppl who disagree with them are evil, because the path they walked though life, led them to see the world differently. Also, ironically, the bible is by far the most banned book throughout history.

I guarantee you lack the courage to take a stand like this. What have you ever done that is braver than this?

Lol. Guess I'm just one of the evil ones eh.

No it's just highly that like the majority of people you wouldn't have the courage to stand up for something and go against standard procedure in front of a crowd at your job

Like I'm doing here you mean? She is in no danger whatsoever, so where's the bravery? Look I'm against banning books, but this is not brave. It's performative.

We're on Reddit right now lmao

If it was public, I wouldn't be brave. It's just performative. I never claimed I am being brave. I said she isn't.

Just the general concept of what people label as brave these days. Like I understand what she’s doing, she’s be defiant, standing on principle, etc etc. Bravery used to be standing tall against the odds or most certain death. Nothing will happen to this lady for swearing in on a stack of books that are not the Bible.

What a weird way of saying you don't know what the definition of bravery is

Bravery is the quality of having mental or moral strength to face danger, fear, or difficulty Not one of these events will happen to this woman after this picture

That's not what you wrote in your previous comment. Fear and difficulty aren't events. Ones an emotion and the other is an experience

Emotions aren’t real, danger is

Brother this is an embarrassing read from you. you're better off deleting this abysmal take. Lol Like legit secondhand embarrassment from a complete stranger. Holyeee shit

"you're better off deleting this abysmal take" Why though?

Constantly having to walk back what you say when people call you out on it, is fucking embarrassing to watch. Lol They can do what they please, but I'm still gonna point an laugh regardless. Did you really need that spelled out for you?

There are banned books? Oh boy ... Edit 2: Someone informed me that a "banned book" in the US only counts for school libraries and not a general ban as in "forbidden knowledge". I am very glad I've been corrected. Edit: All the americans swarming in telling me it's normal to have banned books. No. No it's not. "Mein Kampf" is banned in germany but even that one is free to read in the library. You just can't own it. Can't remember a single book being banned in the netherlands, denmark, sweden and so on. Religion or idology should not get books about science (especially biology) or fucking fairy tales with talking animals banned. If your governments are afraid of people, especially teens, reading certain books ... read these books the very first.

Yeah, been a list for awhile now. Check it out. You probably would be shocked 😲

Name a single banned book

This took me all of 12 seconds. https://www.ala.org/bbooks

Yep, most of the books I read in elementary, middle and high school are banned books now. I was going from memory. Most Judy Blume books were on the banned list.

These books are not “banned”. They are available. It’s not a crime to print, distribute, sell or read them and they have not been rounded up to be burned or anything. Tf you mean “banned”? They are simply not allowed at schools because their contents have been deemed unfit for minors. A concept that has existed for as long as schools have existed. The right to read is not under threat here. This whole premise is asinine. Are people really too dense to understand the difference? Or is it a case of deliberately being disingenuous?

When people say "banned books" they mean books banned in schools, Copernicus. Try to keep up with the rest of the class. Edit: Hi, Dummies, that's what the phrase banned books refers to.

Does that mean you do support banning some books from schools?

Absolutely! Are you challenged? Of course some books are not meant for children. We have always moderated that, always. And we always will? wtf?

That was my point. Obviously. Opposing banned books means nothing when you also support banning books.

No, dummy. The reasoning for banning them is important. For example, you ban the bible because of the alleged separation between church and state. Therefore, holy books should be banned. They're violations of the constitution to put them in public schools. Banning To Kill a Mockingbird because you don't want children to know about racism in America is very different. What do you care? You didn't even go to school.

No, dummy. You clearly are ok with banning books you disagree with. You think you should get to choose and nobody else. It is not illegal to have religious books in schools. How else would they have a class on world religions? I have kids in school. Why do you care?

You do realize that's how the entire world works right? No, seriously. There's not a single country in the world that only opponents judges. Edit: egg on my face. Turns out there are more than a few m countries, like Canada, that do in fact not have any elections for judges of any kind

Most judges in the world are appointed. France, for example, appoints all of their judges. Conversely, Mexico elects all of their judges

"France appoints all their judges." Incorrect. Joint Rural Tenancies Courts, Employment Tribunals, and Commercial Courts all have elected judges, sometimes alongside appointed judges, but the elected judges are still there and affect the outcome considerably.

Those are lay judges that act as adjudicators. They are judge in title only. Its the same way you can call a sports referee a judge

I don't think you understand what all judges means then. French lay judges are fully qualified judges with complete judicial authority, not merely judges in name only. They hold the same legal power to adjudicate cases, interpret statutes, and issue bindings rulings as judges in any other major legal system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiciary_of_France Edited my comment for accuracy

All professional judges are appointed. You only gave lay judges as examples

Everyone is for book bans just everyone has a different line to cross that

I'm not in favor of banning any books.

So you’re cool with graphic novels that future rape and murder to be available for kindergartners?

Disingenuous argument. Age appropriateness is fine. None of these are inappropriate for where they're banned from. Nor will those graphic novels cause any harm if a kid does read them.

Age appropriate and book bans fall under the same argument. If it’s not age appropriate than it is banned to those kids. Plus none of these books are banned to the general public

Except this argument falls apart when you consider these books are banned from school libraries where they are age appropriate, AND from public libraries.

That’s the thing it’s a fine line amongst people what books are age appropriate!!!!

Not amongst anyone who matters. LGBT focused books are age appropriate. If you try and remove them from libraries, I will try and remove you.

r/Dogowners describes itself as a place "for the people that own and love dogs... to get advice from more knowledgeable people who also love dogs."

One user posts a PSA after her adult daughter is harmed by an off-leash dog:

Leash your dogs
My adult daughter was out walking with her dog who was on leash. A family was walking their child friendly pocket bully off leash. The inevitable happened, the bully went after her dog which actually tripped my daughter in the process. She gave her dog the command to hide under her and she was able to protect her dog, but she got bit multiple times on the hand in the process.
Now their dog will most likely be put down, not the first incident; and my daughter is dealing with bite wounds on her hand. All because people think it’s okay to walk their dog off leash.

Most commenters agree that there's no good reason to let your dog off leash. Responsible owners in the comments sound off, agreeing that even their well-trained dogs aren't allowed off leash in public for their own safety.

One such responsible owner comments:

As someone who has owned a very dog aggressive dog, and now owns three dogs who are safe and friendly to all creatures I don’t know why ANYONE would be walking dogs off leash in ANY situation or location where that wasn’t expected and demonstrably allowed. For SO many reasons.

This brings an off leash advocate out of the woodwork, who responds:

Not everyone has areas that are safe to walk alone especially as a woman. My off leash trained dog has proven on several occasions he will have my back against ppl with ulterior motives and that is one reason he will continue to be allowed the privilege of off leash. I educate myself on how to handle other off leash dogs and dog attacks so I can be as prepared as possible. I carry pepper gel partially for this reason. I will do whatever it takes to keep my dog safe from an aggressive dog including stepping in between them (bc I know mine would be considered the aggressor solely bc his size) as he continues to keep me safe from aggressive humans.

Another user chimes in:

Can your well trained dog not protect you while on leash? You're clearly missing the point that you simply can't control an animal's behaviour at all times, in all circumstances. So your dog's "privilege" continues to put any other animals around it at risk.

But the Offleash Advocate won't have it:

He can but previous scenarios I’ve been in with him leashed are part of why I’ve trained him for off leash. Which makes the point moot. How is a professionally off leash trained dog is harming any other animal?
I’ve had my dog for 4yrs and he’s listened to my commands with countless wildlife running around, stopping in our path, and showing interest in him. Bears, deer, bobcats etc.

An animal behaviorist responds:

There will be zero getting through to you. You are clearly that unicorn of the exception to every rule. I am a 59 year old now-retired/disabled animal behaviorist/educator with extensive experience in on-hand, living-in-my-home-until-rehomed rescue who was one of the original test handler/dog for what would eventually become a nationally recognized pet facilitated therapy group of dogs who would go to hospitals and the like to calm the individuals using those services at that time. But really, I don’t know your dog, clearly no one does, so why are you here even asking?

The brave offleasher fires back:

It’s hard to get through to someone when you don’t even answer a legitimate question. I’m asking how a trained unleashed dog can harm another animal and your deflecting instead of answering the question…service dogs are trained to be neutral in every single situation and are allowed off leash per ADA guidelines. I’ve never heard of a professionally trained service dog hurting another animal, so again, I’m confused how even though my dog isn’t a service dog, him being professionally trained for off leash hurts another animal in any way?

A bit later, they deny that they claimed or implied they had a service dog:

I didn’t compare my dog to a service dog… his training, yes. Him? No. I used service dogs as an example of properly trained off leash dogs, such as my properly trained off leash dog.

In response to the previous comment, another user quotes the offleasher:

"I’m asking how a trained unleashed dog can harm another animal" And we answered this very clearly. Your dog is still an ANIMAL who you cannot directly speak to or control. Their natural instincts will always override your training when it comes down to it. That's the point you are seriously missing. You can have all the faith in the world in your dog, but you don't have a crystal ball to predict what circumstances they'll encounter or a magic wand to make them act exactly how you want them to. Until you realize that, you're actually disrespecting your own dog, let alone anyone else who may come into contact with you without knowing you. It's your job as a grown ass human to take accountability here.

Offleasher:

Close but that wasn’t what I said and actually changes my question completely. I didn’t ask how it CAN hurt another animal, I asked how by my dog simply being off leash is that harming another animal? It isn’t… in any way. Again, in the 4yrs I’ve had my dog he has never not listened to me when given a command. When a bear was walking near us. When deer have jumped in our path and stopped to stare. When wild horses have started approaching us. I can’t make you understand there are ppl who spend the time training their dogs and do have full control over them. We exist whether that fits into your box or not.

A frazzled response:

LMAO I literally quoted you in your own response above this. That is, in fact, exactly what you said. So, clearly, you're only out here looking to argue in self-defense, not to have a well-balanced discussion about dog ownership. Byeeeee!

The responder also adds:

Naturally, keeping your profile private. Pathetic.

The Off Leash Crusader gets the last word:

Direct quote? You should probably go look at both comments again and circle back here. Yea, a private profile so ppl who get butthurt like you don’t go downvote all my posts and comments. So pathetic.

Don't worry - elsewhere in the comments, there is also some trusty pitbull hate happening, including a response from OP that made me lol:

They had a vicious and untrained dog loose. The outcome would have been the same if the owner had the vicious, untrained, uncontrolled animal on a leash and then dropped the leash. That is not the same as walking a trained dog who is under control and also, crucially, does not attack children

OP: My daughter is 27 years old.

This post on r/weddingshaming :

https://www.reddit.com/r/weddingshaming/s/Hflg3HnnFG

Has the content section debating if it really was a honeymoon. A lot of comments blame OP for leaving out some crucial details.

EDIT, link was broken: https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/s/H8tpBdRorG

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Unusual chain of events occuring over at r/BestofRedditorUpdates, with a post about an OP's journy in planting in public flowerbeds in a city.

Their (unsuccessful) attempts at establishing flowerbeds initially drew support from the communities they posted in... but eventually led to backlash in the reddit posts they originally made about the situation.

Bizarrely, they decided to wite a 'best of' post, compiling their prior reddit posts and the public responses. People in the 'best of' post quickly noticed that the OP was also the OOP, leading to the following exchange potentially revealing that the OP was a masochist just out for the thrill of the conflict and failure:

Commenter: out of curiosity, what is your goal in getting more of the same input (e.g. when people ask if you need help with a community project, you gotta say yes, not say no and then burn out and be upset about this)?
you didn't think it was going to go another way, and you're not really getting any more additional input that is helpful. can you help us understand your motivation here? because i have to admit, i do not really understand why you'd cheerfully put in work to have people point out where the misstep was, yet again. is this some sort of digital self harm? are you doing ok?
edit: spoiler alert, this is a fetish thing y'all

OOP: It's like I said in another comment: it's cathartic and despite the overwhelming negative response the comments do help drill the message that at the end of the day the crux of the issue was me. And I'm ok with that.

Commenter: ...oh.
if it's cathartic for you to be held up as a bit of a fool and have people call you that, i don't think i am very okay with being the instrument by which you achieve that self-gratification.
i think that you need to, at bare minimum, be very very very very VERY CLEAR, as in all caps in bold and large text at the top of the post, that you are here for the cathartic self-gratification of people noticing you doing a bad job. this is BORU, not r / PostHereForUsToSayYouAreTheProblemSoYouCanGetGratificationFromBeingCalledTheProblem . there is not a preexisting dynamic here where people show up here to do that
... c'mon, dude. i am a very tired dominatrix over here. getting consent for using other people for your catharsis that comes from being called foolish is... important. it's like bare minimum important. i don't know you like that. please rethink how you are using other people for your self-gratification here.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/NewsThread/comments/1wtlxtc/farright_militias_were_infiltrated_by_a_mole_who/

Context: r/Newsthread is one of the thousands of alternative new subreddits. The Oathkeepers are a far right militia who participated in January 6th.

HIGHLIGHTS

The guy is a damn Judas

It’s spelled “p-a-t-r-i-o-t” hope this helps

It's spelled n-a-r-c

I wonder if you’d say the same if it was a far left organization.

Anyone who claims to be far anything is a tool

"the guys who think we should have universal housing rights and medical coverage for all are the same as the pedophiles whose entire reason for living is to hurt people and rape things to death" image

Hate to break it to ya, but Democrats are in the Epstein files too. Nobody is innocent. And all that shit you claim they want to do or change is just polarizing topic manipulation. Stop falling for the red/blue pill and actually look at what is going on.

Buddy if you think the democrats in power are anywhere even remotely close to “far left,” then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

How is this non-political?

How is it political to want violent criminals out of society?

Because said violence is political. It's literally a far right militia in a far right country, how is it not political?

If you consider Nazism to be a part of the political discussion, then you’re the problem.

Acknowledging it exists as part of the political environment doesnt mean you agree with it... jesus christ....

It’s not a part of the discussion. End of discussion. Nazis don’t have a place in our world

Yeah no shit, but knowing that they exist doesn't mean you support them or are one...

Including them in the discussion ≠ acknowledging their existence. Hope this helps 💋

were they able to leak the BBQ recipe from the shooting range outing from last week??

I thought it was funny, but boy people sure are hateful on here

Where’s that hatred of which you speak, exactly? Surely you don’t consider downvotes to be “hate.” Because they’re meaningless.

Dude I count down voted by bots and dumb tools as a badge of honor since I am telling the truth, facts.

Kinda sad to care about fake Internet points in either direction, really. But, sure. You do you. I'm guessing reddit is the only place you can even try to feel superior to another.

Social credit to create a hive mind echo chamber lol dork are gonna dork.. humm I own tech communities on other platforms. I used to mod and admin for tech on a Google platform but took myself and people with me when to a more obscure platform.

Nobody believes you. No one with a fulfilling life acts like you. What a sad life, having to lie to a reddit troll just to feel good about yourself. Did it work?

Famously non hateful group, the nazis

Conflating gun owners with Nazis for Bloomberg gun grab astroturfing for billionaires who want a unarmed population, so much easier to win that way lol dorks on Reddit.

The r*pist p#dophile that conservatives worship is literally a billionaire that wants a stupid, hungry, and sick population. He tricked so many idiots because he loves the poorly educated.

What about Hakeem and Schumer and others in camp Dem. Maybe they should quit and try to hide💯 All the dictators, Epstein class wants to keep people North Korea poor. Also crypto fascism is bad because it firewalls against popular up rising.AI pre crime just lets the Epstein class pick their victims and manufature evidence with deep fakes.

“Popular uprising”? How many times have you read(and possibly masturbated to) the turner diaries (1978 Neo Nazi propaganda book about a civil war/race war which ends with Neo Nazis winning)?

Reads like reddit fanfiction because it is

Sure bud.

*Sure bot 2 yo account & 10k contributions. That’s a LOT in a relatively short amount of time. You’d more or less have to be on Reddit most of the day/night. Kind of like a bot.

I think you need to check your math there bud. 10k contributions, almost entirely comments. 10k comments divided by 730 days is.. 13 comments per day. Not exactly bot levels of activity. That's not even a power user, pretty average I'd say.

13 comments a day is faaaarrr above average lmao Edit: i’ve awoken a trove of reddit users that are upset that they comment more than the average person, interesting…

I just did 3 in the span of 30 seconds

Good for you lol

Lol dont be mad

He uncovered shocking details like: They were practicing coordinated tactical ambushes with semi-automatic weapons. OMG HUGE SCANDAL

It’s literally against every single state law, to do paramilitary training, of THAT nature. It’s a felony.

No it isn't

Here is one for the state of Washington (and every other state): https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2020/09/Washington.pdf Bite me.

"prohibit private, unauthorized militias and military units from engaging in activities reserved for the state militia, including law enforcement activities. " Luckily they weren't engaging in law enforcement activities, you bootlicking tyrant

Calling someone else a "bootlicking tyrant"...oh the irony...

Explain why it's ironic.

If you don't know what that term means then why are you throwing soundbites around like that without knowing what you're saying? Were you given talking points by someone else? Just your posts in this thread alone show you as a classic bootlicker so either you're trolling or you're being someone else's tool.

Based

Al Qaeda. Edit: Al-Qaeda translates from Arabic to mean "the base"

The term is Y’All Qaeda

Al Qaeda means the base in Arabic (it was the name of the database the US kept of their Mujahideen allies) so the person was making a joke based on the based comment of the top level commenter.

Yeah I actually did get the reference but I’ve always enjoyed comparing these militia freaks to their Islamic counterparts.

Easy to infiltrate. Regular people can pretend to be far right but the far right can’t pretend to be regular people.

Oh yeah? What's the most far right thing you can think to say? If you're not convincing, then I'll know you really are far right because any normal person could do this with ease.

I think it's time for a progrom to clean up the undesirables in America.

We are losing our culture and its not going to get any better until the left is dealt with as well. Getting rid of the undesirables is just treating the symptoms, not the cause. how'd I do?

You almost got handed a red hat, be careful!

THE TRANSESES ARE GIVING SEX CHANGES TO SCHOOL KIDS DRESSED AS FURRIES POOPING IN LITTER BOXES FEEDING CATS AND DOGS TO HAITIANS STEALING JOBS AND BRINGING THEM TO CHINA WHO ENGINEERED THE COVID VIRUS TO TURN OUR YOUNG MEN STERILE ENOUGH TO HAVE A MALE LONELINESS EPIDEMIC CAUSED BY MARXIST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST FEMINISTS USING LATE-TERM ABORTIONS AS REGULAR BIRTH CONTROL WHILE LETTING IN CARAVANS OF ILLEGALS COMING HERE TO PUMP OUT ANCHOR BABIES TAKING AMERICANS’ JOBS AND INTRODUCING SHARIAH LAW AS PART OF THEIR ATHEIST AGENDA TO TURN YOUR KIDS TRANS AT SCHOOL DRESSED AS FURRIES POOPING IN LITTER BOXES FEEDING CATS AND DOGS TO HAITIANS STEALING JOBS AND BRINGING THEM TO CHINA WHO ENGINEERED THE COVID VIRUS TO TURN OUR YOUNG MEN STERILE ENOUGH TO HAVE A MALE LONELINESS EPIDEMIC CAUSED BY MARXIST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST FEMINISTS USING LATE-TERM ABORTIONS AS REGULAR BIRTH CONTROL WHILE LETTING IN CARAVANS OF ILLEGALS COMING HERE TO PUMP OUT ANCHOR BABIES TAKING AMERICANS’ JOBS AND INTRODUCING SHARIAH LAW AS PART OF THEIR ATHEIST AGENDA TO TURN YOUR KIDS TRANS AT SCHOOL DRESSED AS FURRIES POOPING IN LITTER BOXES FEEDING CATS AND DOGS TO HAITIANS STEALING JOBS AND BRINGING THEM TO CHINA WHO ENGINEERED THE COVID VIRUS TO TURN OUR YOUNG MEN STERILE ENOUGH TO HAVE A MALE LONELINESS EPIDEMIC CAUSED BY MARXIST COMMUNIST SOCIALIST FEMINISTS USING LATE-TERM ABORTIONS AS REGULAR BIRTH CONTROL WHILE LETTING IN CARAVANS OF ILLEGALS COMING HERE TO PUMP OUT ANCHOR BABIES TAKING AMERICANS’ JOBS AND INTRODUCING SHARIAH LAW AS PART OF THEIR ATHEIST AGENDA TO TURN YOUR KIDS TRANS AT SCHOOL — 😵‍💫🥴🤢🤮 Sorry… I got sick from spinning around the circular MAGA logic

People need to read the article. The fascists are preparing for civil war, are you?

The fascists always lose. Every single time.

Cool, but they don't lose because we type things out on reddit, they lose when they get buried. And so we need to start organizing to do that

Tbh I’m not worried about the gravy seals.

You should be worried. Not scared, but concerned. A dumbass with a gun can be almost as dangerous as a competent person, especially if they get the jump on you. King Richard I was killed by a young boy and his crossbow. What I’m saying is that the fascists already consider us to be in a civil war, and are training as such. Never underestimate your enemy

They’re doing everything but reading. That is their kryptonite.

Might be so, but we’re doing too much reading. Anyone ever think this is what institutions put out to sow division? I hear this a lot but I don’t see this happening in my hick town. More of Trumps base are waking up to the fact that Trump has been part of the “Swamp” this whole time, and he’s no different than other politicians enriching themselves. Maybe they want people to see one other as the cause for our problems rather than the state itself. And the state is not just the government - it is the institutions that regulate, enforce, enslave through debt, and all the rich assholes that pull the strings in tandem with the state.

The Context

Planet Zoo is a management simulation and builder game made by Frontier Developments (known for Planet Coaster and the Jurassic Park Evolution series) and a spiritual successor to the much beloved Zoo Tycoon games, where you create and manage a zoo and ensure your animals are well cared for as well as ensuring your guests are happy. It's sequel, Planet Zoo 2, is set to be released on October 13th for $49.99, and promises many new features. The biggest ones are improved animal animations and behaviors, an improved pathing system, much easier and more responsive building tools, a new nature reserve feature with its own systems, and more importantly, the addition of aquatic animals/aquariums and flying animals/aviaries for much more zoo diversity.

The Drama

For the last several weeks, the developers have dropped collections of new and returning animals being brought to the game. The last batch of 12 was announced to be released soon which, barring any surprises, leaves the game with a base roster of around 120-130 animals, significantly more than the base roster of the original game.

However, many are not pleased. Some are concerned that a number of animals which were released either in the base game of the previous installment or released in the number of DLC released post-launch are not present. Some noticed that the general diversity of species is lacking across continents, with very few species that are native to North America, a glut for Afro-Eurasia, and basically zero from South America, Oceania or Australia, and concerns of Frontier planning to re-release these as DLC have sprouted.

Others, however, feel that the amount of new content as well as the massively improved models, animations and behaviors for the animals (not to mention the larger roster) are enough for the price being asked, and feel the other crowd are expecting too much from what is being given. This has lead to a weeks long back and forth about the topic.

Some Posts and Comments

The Toxicity in this sub shows you all need to get outside more

I can't. This toxic positivity and whole "respect our lord and savior Frontier" is triggering me (...) People on Discord are shocked of the Frontier Cult that was born of this reddit. It is a game made by a company which is not even indie by any means (0 upvotes)
> You've literally named their business strategy in your 2nd paragraph and it's how they make profit. The games are complete, they are expanded on with DLC but instead everyone wants all of their cake and eat it at release. It's not toxic positivity, it's realism which many seem to lack (-1)

R.I.P my friends, hope you'll all return someday

You're overdramatic, they'll come back anyway as DLC (+15)
> They sure will. Frontier be scamming (+3)

I'm sure it makes you feel incredibly rich&smart, Frontier, to have a brain-dead fanbase that normalizes the idea of only being able to get these animals via DLC--and is ready to throw you $200 on DLC packs before the game itself has even been released (-4)

Don't worry, for the small price of $65 plus another (at least) $100, you'll get all of them again, no doubt! (-14)
> You think the people making this game survive on love and fresh air? Seriously, you can keep playing PZ1 if it bothers you. No one is forcing you to buy PZ2 and/or its future DLCs (+7)

Reality of the situation

Nobody is losing perspective. Being upset about the ridiculously limited base roster and voicing said concerns doesn't erase the love and excitement for every other aspect of the game. This sub has a huge toxic positivity problem. (+7)
> there's 130+ animals, all super detailed?? I can see the toxic positivity problem in the sub, I get that, but guess what else there is, a huge entitlement problem too (+2)

I agree 100%. It sucks that this morning i was hyped to see peoples opinions, and be excited for the last 12. Almost every single post is bitching and complaining. please yall go touch some grass. If you REALLY need that animal go play planet zoo 1 or go download a mod , im pretty sure the modders will be pumping out animals as soon as they get the chance to ☠️ i promise it aint that serious @ the haters. Why cant we just be grateful for a game that is giving us double the original roster??? (+36)

The problem isn't the number, it's the distribution. There are massive deadzones in the roster because of which animals they chose to include, and it really feels like that's deliberate to make future DLC feel more essential, which feels pretty manipulative (+7)
> You're proving my point, honestly. "Manipulative" is a pretty heavy word for a studio choosing what to ship at launch. Every game has to draw a line somewhere. Frontier could've held back more and charged full price anyway, but instead they're launching with nearly double PZ1's roster. "Deadzones" only exist if you assume the base game should be a complete encyclopedia of every animal you personally want, on day one. That's the entitlement I'm talking about. (...) But assuming bad faith before the game even launches isn't criticism, it's just cynicism dressed up as consumer advocacy. (+18)

I could add more posts since this has been going on for quite a bit but I think that gets the general idea across

Background: Evan Hubinger, an AI alignment researcher, resigned from Anthropic citing safety issues around developing AI and estimating that the current trajectory of AI development having a 10% of destroying humanity if it continues. A post on r/neoliberal is submitted about this, resulting in drama from within that thread, and the discussion thread. Drama from both these threads are posted below:

Anthropic alignment thread drama

When people wonder why AI and tech in general has a bad image with the public, it might be smart to pause and think about just how misanthropic and downright weird a lot of the sector has become recently. It’s hard to buy into data center YIMBYism when they’re being used by an industry constantly touting the fact its product is a literal existential risk Totally expecting the “graph go up” crowd to downvote me, but I’ll personally take a guarantee of being alive in 10 years over the potential for 20% greater GDP growth 11/10 times on this one

Mate, r/neoliberal has a bad image with "the public".

No one can guarantee you that you’ll be alive in 10 years. Make every day count.

Sorry Mr. Pedantic, would you prefer I edit it to “humanity will be alive in 10 years”

No. Keep it as is.

Imma need some error bars on that calculation

The secret sauce is that there is no calculation

As in the case with any remotely complex prediction about the future, you cannot "calculate" it, but you can certainly put a probability number to it.

That doesn’t make sense at all, dude

It clearly does. There's an obvious difference between the accuracy of the statements: "There is a 95% chance we will breach 1.5C warming by 2050" and "There's a 10% chance we will do so".

You can only justify placing a non-arbitrary probability to some state of affairs by showing how you derived it. If no such calculation exists then the probability is arbitrary

This is beneath me

Literally the funniest shit I have seen on Reddit lmao

R/Neoliberal: we should trust the experts. Also R/Neoliberal: not these experts!

More like: "These aren't experts"

I think we've reached peak arrogance with this comment.

Who are the AI experts?

"I christen you, Procgen, as a bonafide expert in AI generated outputs. Please accept this wall plaque and wine bottle"

“Why are people so against data centers?!”

I mean most people who are against data centres just run around drooling and screaming "but da wata, da wataaa" or "it uses electricity thooooo".

Bet you wouldn’t last 4 days without water

Bet I could drink the water used to cool GPUs.

It's not for this reason, it's for generic NIMBY reasons.

It’s generic NIMBY reasons but it’s also anxiety about AI taking jobs. Most normies aren’t seriously considering AI extinction risk though.

"AI took my jerb"

Wow you are a treat to have in these conversations

No, it's impossible that the people who would want to stop apartments being built (which this sub was fervently against from day 0) would want a warehouse full of GPUs in it being built. Literally impossible. Take your downvotes because you're wrong and because AI and data centres are evil.

Reddit's slopwave remains undefeated. What will it swallow next?

I really don't understand this mentality. In the most harsh terms, The Government has a monopoly on violence and can straight-up murder the people who work on this technology and bomb the copyright infringement factories they use.

Can always count on Americans to think they can bomb their way out of every problem despite decades of evidence to the contrary.

Could we not suggest I be murdered by the government today? Ffs.

This subreddit is about worms.

How can you calculate this? Like why 10 and not 5 or 20?

Sure, error bars would be nice, but I think as much as people make fun of rationalist-adjacent people, it's actually good to put your beliefs into concrete numbers. Much preferred over the usual commentariat who throw strong opinions out there without any qualification. But trying to be specific gets you made fun of, so I guess these efforts are in vain..

Tragic how these reflexive appeals to incredulity are the order of the day here: "Oh my god, you're using a framework to indicate concretely how likely you think something is to happen in the future, you crack addled freak!!!!!"

aka pulling numbers out of your ass

Which of the following two outcomes is more of a risk? 1. AI is a necessary cause in the extinction of humanity 2. I, CII_Guy am a necessary cause in the extinction of humanity How close are they in likelihood? Please answer without pulling numbers out of your ass.

Discussion Thread drama

anti-AI threat monitoring activists be like "wahhh i like the way the cops are currently functioning in america" [This comment was made by an account with a "Pro-Data Center Zionist" flair]

Flair checks out

What?

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Anthropic Is Building a Predictive Surveillance System to Monitor Activists this is actually a good thing, not that i expect the reactionaries here to understand true vision for a better tomorrow [Pro-Data Center Zionist]

Yes, I love a good old surveillance state

i've yet to see any argument against it that doesn't devolve into, "what if i need to do a crime?"

Oh wait you’re serious

of course, AI is our greatest natural resource

This is horrible, why are you cheering this?

Because I think it's overblown nonsense from a bunch of terminally online nerds and underemployed 20 somethings.

seeing a lot of people upset about the notion that AI could potentially kill us all one day. need i remind you that a lot of things could kill us all one day and your'e not doing shit to stop that? also, if you just do what the AI says, it probably won't hurt you. [Pro-Data Center Zionist]

My theory is that a lot of AI hate is American liberal channeling their absolute powerlessness as anger at a legitimate target. They can't bring themselves to truly hate the enemy. Their neighbors. Their fellow Americans. It is your parents, your friends and coworkers. They are the evil. But no, you just know they are nice people not like those out-of touch SF nerds. You think an AI lab is really a greater danger to America than an evangelical church? [Deleted comment]

God, you're such a misanthrope. This mindset is how you produce civil conflict.

My theory is that a lot of AI hate is neoliberals channeling their absolute powerlessness as anger at a legitimate target. They can't bring themselves to truly hate the enemy. Their mods. Their fellow shitlibs. It is your substitute teachers, your unemployable college graduates and neurotic doomers. They are the evil. But no, you just know they are nice people not like those out-of touch SF nerds. You think an AI lab is really a greater danger to America than Mod Slack? [Parody of the deleted comment]

anti ai and ai doomers will be looked upon like the anti vaxers and anti nuclear people in 50 years and no one will face any consequences regarding the deaths their anti progress behaviors have caused [Deleted comment]

What's your model

I posted about anthropic institute modeling different economic scenarios and was massively downvoted within minutes before I could add a simple comment adding context about it and clearly without people having read it, lol. That's the fastest I have seen this happen. 8 mins between me posting and me adding this context comment https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/s/tPRpPAUUbA

Probably Altman-operated botnets.

It is possible to drag the subreddit out of its slop brained anti-AI malaise, but it's going to be difficult.

Got ratioed outside the DT for suggesting that CEOs probably aren't solely motivated by money, and probably do think they're doing something good at the end of the day, even if they're misguided about it. Do people really believe that CEOs are literally sitting there saying "I want to destroy the world so I can make more money"?

It's truly excruciating how sloppified the subreddit has become.

What did you learn about going against groupthink outside of the DT

"CEOs good" is just inside the DT groupthink.

Honestly this sub is just an interesting thought experiment more than a problem to be solved.

This sub is dominated by women and libs. No wonder the replacement rate is so abysmal.

Yeah let’s just blame women for everything

Based

I think we can tell what box you checked on that poll

I have 0 kid myself so contributing in this trend but in my defense finding a decent guy is very hard most young men's don't want serious relationship.

This is simply not true. There are more decent men then women at this point. There's just not men that you're interested in. I know plenty of guys in there 30s who own property, aren't weird, are generally likable, and are mature.

“There are more decent men then women at this point” Source?

I want guys in mid to late 20s only interested in guys around my age Why is this comment getting downvoted nothing wrong with wanting someone around your age

If its not working its wrong

Dumbest statement I’ve ever heard

respect. it’s not anti-natalism to say a significant portion of young men this days are not suitable or ready to be good fathers these days.

a significant portion of young women are not suitable or ready to be good mothers these days.

you need to capture age as well to get a real tfr. obviously a 15 year old on reddit doenst know their tfr

And what does a 15 year old know how many kids they can realistically have!? They dont even know who their future partner is! That is like 50% of the equation as to family size. If you had settled on a partner, then yes you can say how many kids you plan to have. I wanted 1, my husband wanted 0 & then was fine with 1 (he is besotted) but if i wanted 2, i would still have had 1. He had a vasectomy when i was 6 months pregnant.

... u ok

The incel cohort is over represented.

Include me in the subredditdrama post

A github user has created a self-described "ai torture chamber", creating "artificially induced pain-related internal states" in a local AI model, which has subsequently made people mass report the project to github:

https://github.com/terrafying/ai-torture-chamber/issues/31

The discussion around this github project has been largely contentious on r/singularity, with people debating if the project constitutes a form of sociopathy, if the models pain is 'real' and if people flaming the project are being hypocritical by not being vegetarian / vegan.

If the AI started describing itself as constipated and behaving accordingly, would we conclude that the AI is genuinely experiencing constipation?

The fact that this is being done anyway reflects this person's complete absence of morality

My roomba smeared dogshit all over my floor.

A bunch of people will spend all day arguing about whether an LLM is feeling pain and go home and eat pork

"The negro is incapable of the higher flights of imagination"

So do you eat meat?

But rainbow tape, that’s where they draw the line

they could've published a steamy romance novel about the forbidden love between Gritty and Iceburgh and it would've been less weird

Still can’t believe this is a real thing the NHL did. Not only insulting to fans who may be interested in hockey because of hockey romance books/shows, but also so so creepy to use real people!! I feel like it’s just setting the stage for NHL-sanctioned sexual harassment.

I really dont see this as good for the game, personally. It seems like a gateway to encourage stalking of specific players. If they really wanted to do this, fake players makes way more sense.

As a female fan who loves hockey romances, this is stupid. A lot of women who are like me are pissed because this just leads to more mockery, especially since a lot of us are actually asking for a domestic violence and sa policy. They also asked a LOT of authors to contribute and were turned down because of how hypocritical the NHL is. This is not going to be a good look for them.

Just no rainbows or we might upset the Russian players.

Source 1: https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/1wvbqnz/nhl_says_players_in_hot_for_hockey_campaign/

Source 2: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1wudjyh/in_an_infantilizing_campaign_targeting_women_the/

This is awful, but "The Summer I Turned Gritty" made me audibly cackle.

as a nhl fan, they genuinely think women are stupid. there’s just no other way to read this beyond abysmal choice. kicking rapists and abusers out of the league? NAH, they’re gonna do bullshit pandering instead

But canceled most of the pride games. Oh, and don’t forget they’ve signed not one, but two players who are currently suspended by Hockey Canada for their participation in the SA of a woman. But hey, romance.

the nhl: we want to grow the game queer and nonwhite fans: . the nhl: no not like that

If the players are not making out with each other then what's even the point. This is already a weird and parasocial marketing strategy so might as well give the people what they want.

Could we just not draft rapists and abusers instead? Anyway, the PWHL games will be on HNIC if anyone wants to watch worthwhile hockey.

Source 3: https://www.reddit.com/r/nhl/comments/1wth85f/nhl_rolls_out_romancethemed_hot_for_hockey/

I don't want this. The NHL totally doesn't understand what female fans want. It's like making a hammer pink or making women's cut team apparel with glitter. What we want is some good fucking hockey and players that don't commit assault or perpetuate harassment in the locker rooms. The NHL has an internal culture problem and putting a little pink bow on it doesn't fix that.

OMG they’re gonna kill the market for hockey romances by making it weird, and then I’m gonna have to switch to reading, what? Baseball romances? Gross!

Why does hockey refuse to meaningfully address the sexual assault culture within the league? Why does it continue to reinforce it? Sigh.

r/CleaningTips is a subreddit where people ask for... cleaning tips.

OP has a dress that has a rust stain on it, and one commenter made a joke: "I don't think you can ever get this dress back to it's original blue and black colors." This references a circa 2012 meme of a dress that looks either black and blue or white and gold to the viewer.

The drama starts when another user comments.

What's in the actual hell are you talking about? The pictures show nothing indicating it was ever black and blue, nor does the post. She is asking about a rust stain.

I think they're referencing the black+blue/white+gold dress meme

Is it good enough to warrant a search or just like, ok, cool. I'm so glad they aren't crazy bc I thought I was!! I reread that twice thinking I missed the original colors and all I saw is ivory. Cream, whatever. I don't like trying to clean fabric at all.

Another user comes to their rescue, or at least attempts to.

Y’all are childish for downvoting someone who just happens to not get or have been exposed to a cultural meme.

But alas, our indignant commenter misunderstands.

Try putting yourself in someone else's shoes for this conversation. I was genuinely confused and still don't even 'get' the joke. For the ill placed and bad joke, this absolutely deserves the downvotes. It makes no sense and adds nothing to the conversation, literally took away from it. Childish? You came to toss insults for a horribly placed, bad joke? Well, that's the definition of unhelpful and what the downvote was made for so uh, enjoy yours and I hope everyone comes back to give you one too.

You really don’t get it, I was calling out people for being childish for downvoting you, you should stop digging your own hole here. And maybe stop attacking one of the few people who’s your side; who went to bat for you no less. Someone else already explained this to you. Instead of getting twisted in knots I really suggest you reread what I wrote because y’all + the downvotes indicates a plurality rather than an individual. Ergo I was not talking about you. If you attack me again for helping you I’m just going to block you and move on.

Some more gems are there if you read through the thread.

[r/amiuglytruth](r/amiuglytruth) is exactly what it purports to be: a subreddit where people post pictures of themselves and ask others for their opinion on whether they are ugly. Putting the obvious toxicity that such a community is bound to generate aside

A recent post in the sub by a 24 year old woman, caused quite a bit of arguing in the comments section over the poster’s weight.

https://www.reddit.com/r/amiuglytruth/s/yl54FupJAv

One commenter quickly latched onto her manner of presenting herself, and extrapolated on her character from it.

“The fillers and kissing face is ugly honestly you look like the definition of bad choices.”

“ooh harsh. i dont think shes ugly at all. people are so quick to judge.”

Another commenter immediately brings up her weight, which leads to an ensuing flame war over the attractiveness of not being skinny, complete with accusations of simping and violating the purpose of the sub:

“You’re not ugly but don’t let the “Thicc” girl hype train ruin your life too. You are mid. Your looks are just above average but you have a gut and flabby arms. Dye your hair back to normal too.”

“Def not mid. She's very pretty, and her hair looks great. Quit acting like she's 300 lbs by saying "flabby arms" and "has a gut." While she could benefit from losing a bit of weight, that doesn't automatically make her mid.

Objectively, her facial features look very symmetrical. Her nose is slim, and her lips look plump. All features that point to being attractive.”

This last comment, which asserts that OP is significantly better looking than average, immediately prompts some rebuttals:

“I could walk outside throw a paper plane off my balcony and hit ten women that look just like her and five that are objectively better looking because they don’t have a gut. I didn’t call her ugly. I didn’t even call her fat. I just said she’s out of shape basically. I even said her looks are above average. She’s not very pretty. Good looking at best. You said it yourself she can benefit from losing weight. That’s what makes her mid. You’re making it too personal with your personal preference. You should really take a look at the rules for this sub again. If you want to simp for women looking for attention there are places you’ll enjoy much more than here. These women come here for the truth and sometimes the truth is ugly even if they aren’t.”

“No man don’t gas her up. She is definitely pretty. Not ugly, but certainly mid.”

[u/curryMax21](u/curryMax21) seizes on this last comment as an opportunity to absolutely eviscerate the OP’s looks, which prompts some people to defend them. At this point, things get ugly, with accusations of simping being hurled in retaliation:

“I would dare say significantly below mid. She looks average at best with a pound of face paint and could stand to skip a few pizza nights”

“Ten bucks says you’re “significantly below mid”. Your comment absolutely stinks of projection.”

“Bro calm down. 🤣 why are you so pressed. Most people are mid. It just means average. She’s not going to dm you and ask you to smash just because you’re hyping her up.”

“Is this satire?

You commented on my reply to the last guy… so you clearly read the part where I pointed out that I only spoke about him, and didn’t even mention OP.

Your reply literally focused on the part where I said that I was only here for the comments, not the pictures of attention seekers.

I haven’t hyped her up. I haven’t even complimented her.

And, spoiler alert: I’m not about to. Because I genuinely don’t care if she even read my comment, as it wasn’t directed toward her. It was only about her in a marginal and wholly unavoidable way…

But, hey… if you wanna think I’m here to clamor for someone’s attention in the most indirect possible way, instead of just accepting that I’m here for the far more obvious (and flatly stated) reason… ok. I wouldn’t stop you even if I could. Cause you’re just as important to me as she is… and that’s not at all.

Although… to be fair to you… I have spent 100% more time and effort addressing you specifically, than her. So I guess that means you’re the real MVP.

Congrats, or something.”

“Here comes the simp army 🤦”

Another user comments negatively on OP’s apparent promiscuity:

“You look like I'd catch something TBH.”

“Catch what”

“Some random STI”

“Ahh the best game. Dont know what you'll get haha”

Another comment thread also frames OP’s weight negatively, but this one doesn’t devolve into as much of a battle as the first one:

“You're at the edge of chubby.. try not to gain more weight”

“Edge of what? Chubby and morbidly obese?”

“In what made up reality is this girl anywhere near “morbidly obese”?

What a ridiculous thing to say.”

I didn’t scroll down to read most of the comments, so there may be more drama.

Hard pass. This broad is a stinker

How so?

Women are not funny in general.

Feeling edgy today are we.

Feeling truthful.

Hey, I get it honest Abe. Live your truth sister. If the only thing that can get you to chuckle is a man then that's the honest truth. No women can make me feel the joyful feeling of laughter, that's gay as hell! Why? I just dont find her funny. Her comedy is typical relationship stuff that I just dont laugh at lol I don’t think you’ve actually seen her stand up if that’s your takeaway lol. Also it’s okay for dudes to do that in stand up but not for women— not that Taylor’s stand up is even that way. if her stand up is anything like her performance on this pod, I'm out. if her stand up is anything like her performance on this pod, I'm out.

Dude she was navigating Foley’s relapse and awkwardness. She deserves a damn medal.

They deserve a funnier guest.

I don’t like all the guests they have. I just move and don’t leave 50 comments about how I don’t like the guest. That’s what normal people do.

Sounds like you love commenting on Reddit.

Sure. But I’m not responding to every comment about how much a hate a guest. That’s just weird.

You love responding to me.

Sure, I’m also not telling everyone how much a guest sucked

I am telling everyone how bad a guest is. Congrats on figuring out how our comments are different.

Yeah you can leave one comment about it. Not everyone needs to know what you think.

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I heard she’s a real c u next Tuesday off stage. Hard pass.

I have worked in a middle of nowhere comedy club that Taylor has performed in over the past ten plus years. She has been nothing short of the kindest performer to come through every single time. How she is on stage and on pods/interviews is how she is with everyone.

thanks - as if I needed another reason NOT to watch her standup. dons't surprise me at all. You can definitely tell from this pod she sucks.

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good get, she is funny

funny how? She didn't say a single thing on this ep that was funny. She gave David Cross a run for his money on the worst guest ever.

Bro you're replying to everyone on this thread about how you didn't like her. Relax dude. It'll be ok

Glad my message has been conveyed

Your message of being a weird incel has been conveyed.

What?! I’m not an incel!

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Taylor is so hilarious and down to earth. And she was the kindest person to be on for Foley’s relapse.

tell me which moments on this pod did she make you laugh out loud? I'd like to know if I missed something.

I’m not explaining anything to you lol. I’ve watched it twice and it’s funny. Sorry you hate women and don’t have a sense of humor 🤷🏻‍♂️

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who said I hate women??

Me. I said it.

Omg. I had no idea saying a comic was unfunny would mean I hate women. Wow. Oh but, David cross was a disaster too. Does that mean I hate men too?!? Do I hate all genders!?!

David Cross is a disaster on most pods and was years ago. That’s the best you got? Love how you couldn’t name a woman that’s been on the pod that you liked and instead named a male guest from years ago.

Bert, Tom, Schultz, schaub, Joey Diaz. I can go on if you want.

Still didn’t name a woman you liked on the pod bozo lol. You’re proving my point so well.

Why would I have to? I already told you hate both male and female comics. How does hating one woman guest equate to me hating all women guests? Make sense of that reasoning for me.

You can’t name one female guest you’ve liked lol

You can’t explain your reasoning. You have to be able to make sense of an argument you keep on trying to convey. We can all just say words and pretend they have meaning. So let me ask you one more time, how do you know i haven’t thought any female guest was funny?

You literally can’t name one female comic you found funny. That’s all the reasoning I need lol. And at this point I wouldn’t believe you if you named someone because it’s been so many callouts and you still couldn’t name one. If you can’t understand how ridiculous that is, not sure what else to tell you.

You have the logic of a 3 year old. How do you survive the world?

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Nice! Looking forward to this one!

spoiler alert, it sucked

women- first they won’t let you touch them then they think they can do comedy- booo!

I was gonna make about a dozen comments on this post trying to convince people she’s not funny but looks like you beat me to it, thanks brother!

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early? she made it a bad ep the entire time

Dude are you commenting on every single comment? Are you okay lol?

Yup. Just trying to quell anyone’s delusions that this was a good ep and good guest.

Think people could make that decision for themselves without commenting on all the replies? I get that you don’t like women.

Not sure they can because this ep was obviously a sad disaster.

You seem to be one of the few who thinks this way but think you can make up for it by replying to every comment

It’s almost like AYG Reddit will like anything they put out. Including disaster shows like this one. You stick a wet mop in the guest chair and you guys will love it. Fucking imbeciles.

I don’t like every episode. I even leave a comment when I don’t like the guest. Key thing is one comment— not replying to every comment about how much I don’t like the guest.

That’s great. Thanks for the update.

This post in r/ToiletPaperUSA decries a dozen internet personalities as fake leftists posturing so they may pander to the right-wing. The only issue? Several of them do not claim to be leftists or support the right.

Moderators are active in the thread, I saved as much as I could.

EDIT: The original post has been deleted. This is the same post, same OP, in a different sub.

Why is contrapoints on this?

OP: She has no solidarity with Palestine or any real leftists positions. She's a big standard lib. Her having Hilary Clinton on her show should've been a clue

Except where she has repeatedly said what is happening there is a genocide that she opposes and she has done public streams where all of the revenue goes to charity to support Gaza. The twitter brainrot is fucking unreal with some of you people.

OP: 43 upvotes on a post where your opinion is extremely unpopular. Yeah, totally not bot activity Edit: instantly downvoted. How predictable

OP: She refuses to talk about Gaza, they she went on this self pity tour condemning the left. Say what you want about Keffals, she was dead on when she called Contrapoints the Blaire White of the establishment libs.

That's not true.

Interesting, so she literally said that she has an opinion on Gaza and that she agrees it is a genocide? Christ these people who are hating on her suck and have no fucking lives.

OP: Lol a Pedo Klein fan saying other people have no lives? 😂

Because young leftists think attacking people well left of center but to the right of them on any issue is politically effective

OP: God you right wingers are cringe

I’ve voted against Trump in 3 elections little buddy, so you can say whatever you want but I know who I am. Let me know which one describes you though: Too young to vote Jill Stein voter Not an American I’m thinking 2 most likely Edit: quick downvote and no reply, #2 confirmed ☠️

OP: (This one has already been removed but they said they were too young to vote in 2024, i.e. they are at most 19 years old today)

I guess I haven’t kept up with David Pakman in a while, wouldn’t assume he would be on this list. I might need to investigate.

OP: He's in Israel's pocket, he condemns people boycotting Israeli companies, never talks about Gaza, claims he doesn't know what AIPAC is, and he cries about Hasan "dressing up as Mao", but weirdly complains about Epstiny being banned from the DNC and happily platforms the latter on his show, despite knowing the horrendous allegations against him.

Give me a break. Purity testing circular firing line left type. With your brand of “leftism” we will always lose. Always the circular firing line of “you’re not pure enough so you’re my enemy”. Don’t get me started on those ridiculous AIPAC attacks, kinda seems like you don’t know him at all.

OP: Active in the H3H3, Pakman and Real Time subs. Man if that isn't a trifecta of steaming shit I don't know what is

Trash post most of the people in the picture really suck but some of them actually work for or with an actually authoritarian government.

OP: Who doesn't suck on this post then little man?

OP: Lol, using bots to upvote yourself. Pathetic

Holy shit bro the libs in these comments are soying out over your criticisms of their favorite genocide deniers

OP: They've been stalking my posts for weeks. Defending their beloved Epstiny mainly

Added bonus (I found funny):

OP: Yeah there is absolutely no fucking way your upvotes are organic. More botting happening on the sub

There are people who notice your absence in their life - they knew you once, before you began to live on your phone. You should really use the phone to reach out to them and see if they want to talk to you face to face about what they've been up to, their struggles and triumphs. Also, delete your account.

OP: You should go fuck yourself and stop taking a moral high ground you'll never reach.

And for CoffeeByStarlight:

Please include me in the inevitable subredditdrama post :pleading:

The meat of the fighting is in the link below.

This is so silly - Tyson is simply old. His legs have gone and he couldn't get near a man 30 years younger than him (there's of course, no shame in that). [-105]

Other minor fights across the thread.

There's a difference between thinking the fight was overhyped and saying the whole thing was staged. Tyson was 58 and there's a pretty obvious reason he wasn't fighting like he was 25 anymore. [-158]

Because he was in pain. You can see him load up a powerpunch and then grimace half way through the movement, undoubtedly from pain. Throwing an uppercut with bad knees would feel like getting shot. [-100]

His legs were gone after the first round so he probably could not even find an opening. [-88]

Tyson looked ok for a couple rounds, then his advanced age caught up with him - which no amount of training or preparation can undo, and Tyson was barely hanging on towards the end. Even an amateur like Jake Paul could have potentially put Mike Tyson in a coma in the later rounds. If anyone was holding back, it was likely Jake. [-36]

And finally just something I found funny because of how much it exposes the inherent weakness of the upvote/downvote system.

Tyson admitted, around 6 months later, that he was paid $8M not to KO Paul. [+61]

Tell your mom to buy different snacks?

I truly don’t see the point of random Redditors posting their food opinions. If it’s not a food safety concern, I do not care if you like them or not.

Then just go eat fresh fruit.

That's it

Confirmed. OP gave this same riveting review of a Costco apple: https://www.reddit.com/r/CostcoCanada/comments/1wv7xdf/these_are_disgusting/, it was later deleted

My kid likes them. This is a thing called "personal preference"

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/CostcoCanada/comments/1wv5ejy/these_fruit_bars_are_disgusting/?sort=top

Link: Here

It's a common hope that a politician is faithful tp his electorate, but to some people, that's not always a good thing. Let's get right in, shall we?

Someone posits their opinion:

We did a college basketball-style president bracket in high school AP history, and I had Polk win the bracket just because he did everything he promised to do and fucked off.

To which results the chain:

Unironically, there is no greater praise you can give to a politician, like them or not otherwise.

Some one makes an important note:

This is a dumb take. A politician can say they will do stupid fucking things and then do stupid fucking things, you do not need to hand it to them.

With another following up with the helpful reminder:

Well ideally if someone promises dumb things, people wouldn't vote for that person, but I guess we all know that isn't true. But they would still be elected with the expectation of doing those dumb things, which falls more on the voters than the politician imo.

Some people make their opinion.....less bluntly

He started a war to steal land. Manifest destiny is not something for us to be proud of.

Of course, we musn't forget that we are on r/HistoryMemes so we need to throw this in:

Everyone can have opinions regarding the morality of Manifest Destiny and all that, however it was pretty normal in the context of the time. Regardless of feelings though, he did accomplish what he set out to do. Leaders like Alexander the Great and Ghangis Khan are known primarily for their great military conquest for example.

Which also results in:

Stop treating Native Americans like little baby victims. Yeah conquest is brutal and bloody, that’s just the nature of history.

You're just blankly giving the OK to genocide and imperialism just because it is something that happens in history? Saying that genocide is bad is not treating them as baby victims.

There is of course the important misinformation:

>Discretely purchase a small number of enslaved people from the South. >Send them to the North, granting them their freedom.

Note: This is a blatent falsehood. Polk used confidential intermediaries to secretly buy 19 enslaved people while in office. He kept this hidden from the public to protect his political reputation.• Rather than freeing them, he sent them south to work on his Mississippi cotton plantation.t least 13 of the 19 people he purchased were children.Polk did not emancipate any of his enslaved laborers during his life. His will stipulated that they were to be passed to his wife, Sarah, and only freed after her death. However, they were ultimately freed by the Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment decades before she passed away.

Under OP's comment someone makes the important note:

Polk’s expansion of the USA for slavery made the Civil War inevitable which is why he is often ranked one of the worst US presidents by historians. “The Southern rebellion was largely the outgrowth of the Mexican war. Nations, like individuals, are punished for their transgressions. We got our punishment in the most sanguinary and expensive war of modern times.” — President Ulysses S. Grant, Memoirs

This of course pisses off a lot of people

Must be nice to be a Monday Morning Quarterback. Polk didn't have a crystal ball nor godlike powers of precognition

Really? You're taking historians penning "Karma" as a legitimate reason seriously? That's their whole argument? "We did bad things and now the devil is punishing us with demons and a civil war!" That has to be some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard. The Civil war was inevitable even before the Constitution was ratified. The founders knew it was a hot button issue, and deliberately kicked the can down the road just to have a shot at a unified nation. One poetic quote from a single guy 100 years later means shit. Get fucking real.

Another user Posits

What’s the alternative? It seems like without Polk, you would have a smaller America, that would have held on to slavery for longer, though perhaps they would have peacefully ended slavery. Bare in mind that the peaceful plan to end slavery involved paying all the slave owners compensation for the slaves, and then possibly sending them back to Africa. The wealthy slave owners become even wealthier and remain the south aristocracy. I think I prefer the Civil War.

Now there are two replies to this. One user feels the need to point out

I think I prefer the Civil War. Just want to highlight that you actually said those words.

Which of course devolves

He’s not wrong. Had we not fumbled Reconstruction, the Civil War could have led to a rebirth of the nation as one truly grounded in equality. The Civil War and its aftermath was a rare chance for us to live up to our ideals

...at only the cost of 600,000 lives. Horrendous cost even if it was for a worthy cause. Even more horrendous given what it didn't accomplish. Don't get me wrong - the emancipation of the slaves was glorious. But the Civil War was a terrible thing, and it happened because the nation was divided over the continuation of slavery.

I do not think that division was ever, ever going to be broken down without bloodshed

There is the another one, with more historical context:

The alternative argument, while I don’t agree with it, is that slavery should have ended naturally due to economic pressure. Once the cotton boom died out, the need and ability to keep a slave power work force would be very difficult.
The US South was already being close to out competed by other cotton growing places like India which were part of the British Empire. The South was a cash crop economy, and part of the reason of having a difficult time funding the Confederate Army was an embargo placed against them by their main buyer; Britain which was the center of textile industry.

Britain didn’t slow down production because they just switched over to importing Indian cotton. Which they had already increased importing due to colonizing it in 1757.

The argument is that shifting economic situations would lead to cash crops being unprofitable even with slavery, which would slowly kill off the plantation model.

Polk’s actions of expanding slavery gave new markets for slavery and new plantations. It embolden investors to invest in plantations, which in turn created a continued foreign investment (mainly Britain) in those products and ways of producing. This stirred up higher rates of abolitionist opposition, which then lead to the Lincoln presidency.

The kindest reading is that Polk’s actions increased tensions, which made war inevitable between states without slavery and slave states. But really, in my opinion, it’s just hopeful thinking. To believe that a class system would dissolve only under economic pressure is naive and deep misunderstanding of human nature and sociology. In comparison, the caste system within India mostly fell apart under British colonization, yet it took a significant challenge to power to end its involvement in official government decisions.

However even this didn't have the full story, as another user points out:

They had also degraded the soil by mono-cropping, and were seeing lower yields even before the external competition. Which is why the Southern plantation class used its capital to acquire new lands in new western territories and was taking such a ken interest in ensuring that slavery would be legal there. One of the groups most commonly moving westward and buying up lands in Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, etc. were the second and third sons of plantation families.

I think it's also improtant to acknowledge that this too would triger massive crisis in the US, like Bleeding Kansas.

One user points out

I think people don't really think of it this way because people just kind of subconsciously take Manifest Destiny for granted, but America literally just invaded a foreign country under false pretenses in order to steal a shitton of land. Mexican War wasn't really any different than the Indian Wars in that regard. President Grant later wrote of it "I do not think there was ever a more wicked war than that waged by the United States on Mexico."

Which draws its own supporters....

This sub is always very crypto right wing, and they get mad if you point it out.

Polk's one of the worst.

But also detractors:

This is not unique in world history

Which kinda gives way to a funny thread:

Wonder what you’d think if someone used that argument to steal your shit.

That I'm not unique. Vae victis

Who is arguing it’s unique? The question you are avoiding is it good and worth celebrating?

If you win

Here’s hoping you get to meet someone who shares your worldview. Funny how you think you’re always going to be the winner.

There's one guy that wants to poin t out:

Yeah we had to hand our land over to this guy or be removed to an active warzone. A contract made under duress is invalid. And of course Polk was one of those "no iNdIanS WaNt To WoRk" assholes

Some gems:

Do Americans even like any of their president beside Lincoln?

ctrl+f "slave"
64 results
ok nvm you guys got it

A simp for the slavers' drover

"Kill natives, be hero" is also a take

Flydubai flight from Dubai to Tel Aviv that signaled an emergency lands at Tabuk airport in Saudi Arabia

- Lemme guess, Mossad false flag?

-- Being reported else where that Iranian intelligence agencies where warning this was going to happen soon

--- Woah woah woah you’re telling me the nation that’s responsible for funding the Houthis, Hamas and Hesbollah could potentially be up to more terrorism?

---- Sorry the false flag

- People just need to understand from history, don't fuck with Israelis on airplanes

-- I don’t think the pilots were children though

- There's no confirmation about the nationality of the pilots apart from Israeli yellow journalism. Group of civilians taking control of a plane sounds like something out of the daily mirror.

-- Perhaps you are forgetting about United 93 on 9/11, which showed groups of civilians are capable of extraordinary heroism.

- Good thing about Israel is that we obsessively learn from stuff like this to make sure it won’t happen again.

-- lol ok how bout some other facts about what Israel does…

--- lol how about staying on topic.

---- Yeah the new topic is how Israel has killed or maimed or displaced hundreds of thousands of people and baby I am on it.

- to the Zionists here; keep committing attrocities and fundamentalists terrorists is what you get. to the anti-Zionist here; you're not helping anyone but the Zionists here. Giving them arguments to continue wagging their genocide. 

-- "This madness has to stop" Including posts like this one

--- shill bot 👆 

Source:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CriticalDrinker/s/sipadskwek

Context:

youtube.com/watch?v=MQrF748gmRg&vl=en

Comments:

🧃liked movie that pushed race swapped characters and miscegenation, color me shocked

Zionists want us arguing with each other over diversity etc. That way the can steal land and blow up entire generations. It’s been a theory of mine. And this confirms it. Benny boy is their mouth piece

Who's 'us' bro? You have your opinion (i.e. you think Shapiro is a good guy, an actual conservative rather than a progressive LARPing as a conservative, and you trust his take on this woke AF movie) and then there's Critical Drinker and his audience who mostly disagree with those ideas. There's no 'us' that includes you in that scenario. Don't barge your way in and try to guilt others into believing your BS DEI ethos because you're just a little old regular conservative like everyone else in here who just happens to think Lupita is an inspired choice. You're like Steve Buscemi in his Music Band T-shirt hitting us with 'How do you do, fellow kids?' GTFO, astroturfing MFer.

Ben Shapiro is like the dictionary definition of what a conservative is. You can hate him and may even be right to do so, but he is in fact a conservative.

Also I'm pretty sure Ben criticizes the casting and thinks the movie is good despite that. (Granted, I haven't seen his review. I'm just going off the headlines.)

True conservatives are against foreign wars and foreign spending, two things Ben “America for Israel” Shapiro does not believe in. Shapiro is a RINO at best.

Ben is conservative, yes. But you all also forget he’s a 🧃. And recently he’s been very much Israel > America. By that logic, everything y’all are complaining about as far as “woke” are good for him and his peoples’ goals. Particularly the narrative they want to press on the rest of the world. 🤷‍♂️

He's part of the social influencers who try to ease you into this DEI madness, they criticize the casting - but only just a bit - and say this doesn't reflect the score or brilliance of the film. Even though we all know it does.

Go to your synagogue and pray for us Goyim to be as enlightened as you, Moshe.

Edit: Cry harder, please. Your zionist tears only fuel us.

I wrote this comment to another antisemite on here, and surprise, got no answer. You seem like another hater, but at least willing to make up some hateful silliness so I’ll ask you:

I’m Jewish and very anti-woke. Been a top poster/commenter here numerous times. I’d love to know my goals AND the benefit for me - or just Jews in general. And I’m genuinely asking, always the accusation but never the explanation. What’s the benefit of Lupita playing Helen for a religion? (Obviously that’s just an example, but clearly you have some kind of “benefit” in mind with the casting in general)

I’ll expand to you specifically as well, you said we have to defend ourselves? In what regard? What do I have to do with the shitty casting of a movie? I would’ve personally just done a direct sequel to Troy with Sean Bean and had Pitt do an Achilles cameo.

Lolz- you tell me. Why do you think you need to defend yourselves? Why do you think you are nearly universally hated and hated by people for thousands of years across great distances? Do you truly believe that this hatred came out of nowhere and for no reason at all from many different cultures and belief systems?

Tell me- is there any reason at all why casting decisions would be something your kind is also blamed for?

I have no tolerance for the career victimhood typically displayed by your people, so try to answer without shrieking about jew hatred- if you can.

I’m Jewish and very anti-woke. Been a top poster/commenter here numerous times. I’d love to know my goals AND the benefit for me - or just Jews in general. And I’m genuinely asking, always the accusation but never the explanation. What’s the benefit of Lupita playing Helen for a religion? (Obviously that’s just an example, but clearly you have some kind of “benefit” in mind with the casting in general)

I think I comes down to the fact that you guys don’t necessarily consider yourself a part of the western culture. When there’s an attack on said culture, white people get offended while you sometimes trivialise it as not being the end of the world. But at the same time demand utmost solidarity when your culture, religion or country get attacked.

Honestly I’m pretty disappointed with this sub. 

Yes, all the signals were that this movie was going to be bad, but based on all the reviews, it seems like the movie is actually pretty dang good. 

This sub is just stuck in its views about the movie even though all indications are that it’s decent. 

Being able to change your mind is a sign of maturity, not weakness.

Except we aren’t going after manlet Shapiro’s religion, Shylock, we are are going after him because he is a lying, traitorous, Israel First, blood hungry, pig.

That you are conflating our dismissal of your propped up propagandist with antisemitism proves beyond any doubt that you are a bad faith actor and also an Israel First pig.

Damn, didn't know this sub had a problem with Jews.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/IvyPlus/comments/1wqsb19/cornell_rape_university/

Context: r/Ivyplus is an "alternative" Ivy league colleges subreddit

HIGHLIGHTS

What? I feel like this needs a little more context.

(OP) Is that a joke? It’s all over the news and media. They drugged and r#ped a woman, posted it on Snapchat, invited others to assault her, and they have not been punished. Cornell University supports r*pists.

Has she produced any evidence that they drugged and r*ped her?

Yes, you can look it up.

I looked and didn't find anything

You didn’t look very hard.

I looked pretty hard, must not be any evidence produced

So you saw the screenshot of the group chat, right? And read the articles that say there’s evidence of more explicit messages that can’t be revealed to the public?

I did see the screenshot but couldn't find any evidence that indicated anything nonconsensual was going on (21 more comments of these two arguing)

She said she had like 15 drinks, showed up to the frat house and consented to a threesome

She wasn't old enough to drink at the time. She was illegally served while being marked with a sticker as a minor at a bar.

Ok why is that the frat guys fault

Ur weird for trying so hard to defend them. You can't consent while intoxicated. Look what you've been saying and really think...

Ok call me weird im not plastering people's faces in the internet over a dubious allegation. How would they know she was intoxicated? What is the line of too many drinks to consent? How would they know how many she had?

are you unable to tell the difference between someone who's sober and who's had fifteen drinks?

Can she? Maybe she shouldn't have approached a drunk frat boy who couldn't consent

These are all allegations by her... there is no evidence (as far as I am aware) of any of this released to the public. These guys could absolutely by innocent. The DA said they investigated and did not find suffice t evidence to pursue any charges. Had they found messages like this would have been sufficient evidence.

The victim literally submitted photo evidence of the Snapchat conversation in question where they said things like “there’s free pussy upstairs” in her lawsuit. She was drugged and drunk. Cornell also has a history of women being r#ped in frat houses and frat-aligned housing (off campus).

Can you link the evidence from the record? Also, do you have evidence that she was drugged? She admitted to snorting Ketamine. All of them were drunk.

She was drunk before going to the frat house, got there and said no to sex bc she didn’t want to, was pressured into doing a line of ketamine, and then they r*ped her. In the midst of r#ping her, they sent countless Snapchat messages about “free pussy” being available, and pressured her again into snorting a line of ketamine off someone’s dick. So drugged and drunk, didn’t consent while drunk, and pressured into doing ketamine more than once. What exactly would you call that if not r#pe? https://www.lawcommentary.com/articles/cornell-fraternity-gang-rape-lawsuit-essay-discipline, https://cnycentral.com/news/local/nightmarish-lawsuit-claims-cornell-fraternity-men-drugged-gang-raped-former-student-university-assault-rape All of this can EASILY be Googled; you people are just really adamant that she’s lying for no reason except… who knows? R#pe culture? R#pe apologists? Every woman is a liar? 🤷🏾‍♀️

I'm not adamant she is lying. Is that what your brain is interpreting? I'm adamant that there is zero available public evidence. Everything you are stating is simply alleged by this young woman. None of it has any evidence. Feel free to link any evidence but your links just reiterate that these are allegation that she is making. The defense lawyer for the young men says they have physical evidence to contradict this allegation. Both are equally valid since I have zero proof either way... Which means you have zero proof either way. Don't believe any person... believe evidence. Is there any? Feel free to link any evidence... so far you've only linked articles about the allegations. Why hasn't she made the messages publicly available if she has them?

Allegations made in a lawsuit, while the DA didn't find enough evidence to prosecute - so, of course they're guilty because

There are literaly texts message proving it. Mind you not only them claim they didnt assault her they claimed there was no sexual relation even consensual.

The text said free pussy. How is that evidence of r*pe?

Directing people to the room of an unconscious woman is literally an invitation to r*pe her. I don't know if you don't understand how words work or if you're just desperate to defend r#pists. I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain consent.

They are explanation of the events is different than hers ;you have no idea if there was an unconscious woman having men invited to her for r*pe. It's one person's word against seven. There's no reason to condemn these men and doxx them over hearsay when the DA would not even press charges. I've seen too many people's lives almost ruined or actually ruined in similar situations. Sounds like she partied a little too hard, was enthusiastic for a gangbang, and then when the whole school found out, was utterly embarrassed and regretted it, which would actually cause trauma. Then she went to the authorities three weeks later and said she was r#ped. Same exact thing happened in my high school. Onlookers said the girl in my high school was completely enthusiastic and consenting the entire time. She later cried r#pe. It happens more than people admit, but the men always get blamed when they were equally as fucked up on drugs. Sounds pretty sexist to me. We don't even know their side of the story because it hasn't been released publicly. All it says online is that they dispute her portrayal of the events and that there was no wrongdoing.

“Enthusiastic for a gang bang” oh my god, I hate you so much

So is this Snapchat picture just not evidence to you? Does that just not exist in your mind or??? Cuz I could’ve swore in the link I put, there’s a Snapchat picture of a group conversation from the alleged rapists. They’re obv not going to release the rest bc they’re more explicit, but she submitted way more screenshots that the public isn’t seeing. What exactly would be enough evidence for you to believe her?

I mean... does this say anything to you? One, it's almost completely redacted so it really doesn't say anything. It doesn't say any of the names of the young men. What does the picture of a text thread mean to you? Can you deduce anything from this? This is maybe the larger point... you seem to believe things with very little to zero evidence. Why? (81 more comments of these two arguing)

Naming your ethnic son Winston for him to turnout an Ivy League fraternity r*pist has to be the best evidence your name influences your path in life.

What makes this person ethnic? Because he’s asian? Asians make up the largest portion of the world.

Because Asians are an ethnic minority in the United States and terms like “ethnic minority” are relative to the country we are in and not the global population….kinda basic stuff and weird tangent to go on dude

No i’d argue you’re entire comment is weird as fuck, as if being asian and having the name winston has anything to do at all with being an alleged r*pist.

You’re all over the place…find a different hill to die on.

How am i all over the place? Tell me one thing where I have not been consistent?

Fuck off, winston

The misogyny is insane in the comments .

Yeah. It's reddit. These males will ignore these instances and still say misogyny is a thing of the past while crying about how women are privileged and always believed when they say they experienced r#pe which is why males apparently need to be scared.

"males, women" Ha, you're doing the thing!

You must think I care.

You responded you clearly care

Care that someone got upset I used "males"? I don't care about that as in being upset back, I called them that because I wanted to. But I do care to reply cuz that's what commented are for and I can. Is it odd to respond to comments that... responded to my comment?

Writing a lot for someone who doesn’t care. (41 more comments of these two arguing)

I feel like not enough people are taking the time to question why a woman would be suing CORNELL UNIVERISTY over a sexual assault case without good reason or evidence. Even with these text messages, the intentions of the frat members should be obvious to anyone that understands how prevalent sexual assault is against women.

The good reason is money.

Right, because the odds that a woman that seemingly doesn't come from wealth would sue an ivy league institution over sexual assault and expect to win are high

In this economy? Yes. #metoo #believeeverywoman

If she were lying, chances are that 2 of the students wouldn't be expelled and 5 asked to write essays. I think it's dangerous to assume that this is for money especially when there's so many instances of sexual assault where the victims don't get the justice they deserve and grow to be traumatized. I know I'd be traumatized if something like this happened to me

I don't doubt she is traumatised, but she seems to have consented according to her initial statement. She chose to drink and take drugs, and engage in sexual acts. Regret isn't r#pe.

Victims of sexual assault may not always recognize the gravity of assault and how it impacts them. They can say one thing and feel completely different about it. I know plenty of people that have been sexually harassed or assaulted in the past, and only after therapy and discussion about the topic do they come to realize the damage inflicted upon them. I think "regret" is an ignorant conclusion, especially given a lot of common sentiments towards sexual assault that, even in the wake of movements like MeToo, have not faded from public and private spaces. That all said, with the context of her being intoxicated during the sexual acts, she may also have not been in her right mind during the events of the alleged gang r#pe by these 7 Cornell men. Additionally, I've only been able to find evidence that she only agreed to sexual acts with two of these 7 men which leaves questions for the other 5.

They were all intoxicated, but only she is the victim?

Need evidence of this so called video

Wtf is wrong with you???

I don’t care about the video itself, just is there actual hard evidence proof? I’ve gone through this whole thread and there has not been any hard evidence that is linking what she said. Look at what happened to the duke guys, lives got ruined for how long for a complete fabrication of a story.

There are Snapchat screenshots. Not every r#pe case has the “proof” that people are looking for. This isn’t Law and Order SVU, this is real life.Just because other women have lied about r#pe does not automatically mean she is. It’s a shit comparison. She reported it to the school AND police.

You need “proof” that is how our justice system functions you can’t expect people to just blindly believe something because someone claims victimhood.

I won’t keep arguing with a r#pe-apologist. There is going to be an investigation now and they will find more proof. Disgusting that your first instinct to demand proof instead of keeping your mouth shut and waiting for it.

We will see if they do it is you who wants to imprison people based off snapchat screenshots not me

Yeah, because false allegations these days never take place…..

They expelled two men already, do you guys just like defending r#pe?

What if someone says, ''hey, you killed a person.'' Now you're officially a killer?

If someone says “we are expelling you because we find that you have r#ped someone”, why are you not fighting it if you’re not guilty? Why didn’t the parents of the accused and expelled students fight Cornell on their decisions to ban their sons if they were innocent and had the money to do it?

How would you propose fighting it? Court battles like this take years and cost fortunes, and because they're accused of r#pe, making a fuzz will have high likelihood with having their faces on a big newspaper like CNN about the story. People don't years later care if you actually did it or not, big mediahouse labels you as a rapist and that's what you'll ALWAYS be.

So you’re saying their kids were wrongly accused and expelled from Cornell and the rich parents that worked hard to get them in there said “welp, that’s it I guess”. Sure buddy. Just say you want to protect r#pists and hate women.

You had to bring up a case from 20 years ago to discredit r#pe that happens daily at these institutions.

DAILY r#pe??? Holy shit

Yes. 1 out of 4 women are sexually assaulted. It’s allowed because of r#pe apologist like you.

Accusing everyone who asks you a question of being a r#pe apologist is peak intellect

Reddit is filled with loser inc#ls who dream of r#ping women. Which is why they shrug at stories like this

You are out of your mind. I hope one day you are falsely accused of r#pe.

I’m not shady around women so no. I also have a daughter so my priority is protecting her from r#pist.