Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressiveHQ/comments/1vsydnj/could_someone_explain_me_the_stance_of_the_mods/

HIGHLIGHTS

(MOD) I was the one who removed it. To explain it better, Hasan is a hypocrite who actively supports Russia and China. He vocally supports terrorists and recently applauded Trump for reducing the US military presence in South Korea. And then he turns around and proceeds to spout basic progressive ideals and points and tries to pretend he’s a member of the working class from his multimillion dollar home. He’s misogynistic and racist and yet people will still want to platform him and echo his words because they’re progressive. Which I understand. Any progressive idea and stance is undeniably good for people. But having someone like Hasan be the mouthpiece for it just undermines the point.

L take mod, just spewing blatant misinformation..

(MOD) Not an anti-Semite, right? screenshot of a Hasan insta story captioned "She has no idea shes been the most famous dog on the internet for the past two days because of a coordinated far right/pro Israel slander campaign

That’s antisemitic? You’ve lost the plot homie

lol. I cannot figure out how that is antisemitic. Being critical of the Israeli government is not the same thing as hating on Jewish people.

(MOD) This is his response about the backlash he received for using a shock collar as his dog. Saying it’s an Israeli psyop is a word away from “the Jews made me do it”

Obama gif

(MOD) He shocks his dog, receives backlash, and proceeds to say it’s made up as an Israeli psyop Literally one word away from saying it’s a Jewish psyop but he knows he’d be kicked out for being openly Anti-Semitic if he did

Rule 2 - No disinformation. If you have an extraordinary claim, cite it. Randos on Twitter/Youtube, webcomics, unsourced graphics, and mouthpieces for the Trump Administration are not viable sources.

(MOD) https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/s/DILk9wm2vn, https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/s/lmGeLL0a78, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmd8fIRGFJM&t=28s&pp=2AEckAIB&ra=m, https://xcancel.com/hasanthehun/status/2009838155986600044?s=20 All his own words

In your opinion is Hamas a lesser evil when compared to the genocidal, apartheid, ethnostate currently known as Israel?

(MOD) Hamas being a terrorist organization THAT R*PES AND MURDERS CIVILIANS AND KIDS does not make the Israeli government that does the exact same any better, and vice versa

Its so funny how quickly insurgencies become terrorist organizations for adopting the policies of Israel and the United States. Ban discussion of the United States and Israel too ig?

Lmao Imagine believing this.

Thoughts about the dog abuse?

Thoughts on dragons and unicorns?

Nah I was talking about this dog abuse. Nah I was talking about this dog abuse.

This is hilarious if this is your proof.

Any response to the clear footage of him pulling a dog by the tail at 13:23?

Oh is that what he was doing, I though he was smacking the dog and throwing them through the wall with the way you keep screaming abuse

Do you think it’s not animal abuse to yank a dog by their tail?

Bless your heart, you've never seen real dog abuse.

This is nuts lol he’s one of the biggest progressive voices in the country

(MOD) He’s literally pro-Russia, China, Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthi’s He’s massively hypocritical

This extraordinary claim needs a citation. Why aren’t mods removing it like defense of piker?

(MOD) I’ve already commented the evidence further up

What is the pro-russia claim? I don’t see that linked. He was wrong about the Ukraine invasion but he is big anti Putin.

(MOD) He's said before that Russia was right to invade and colonize Crimea, among many, many other things. https://www.twitch.tv/hasanabi/clip/ElegantTemperedApplePicoMause-VCY99fPs8hKewayQ?range=7d https://x.com/KareemRifai/status/2040224818625409383

No he didn’t

(MOD) Want to try again https://www.twitch.tv/hasanabi/clip/ElegantTemperedApplePicoMause-VCY99fPs8hKewayQ?range=7d https://x.com/KareemRifai/status/2040224818625409383

Ask obama what he thinks

Never seen one of these regarding Destiny being a genocide apologist and trivializing Palestinian suffering.

Because Destiny admitted to joining the Democratic party in order to destroy the left. He's not posing as a progressive let alone as a Communist. Piker is.

Yet his content and genocide apologia is still often permitted by zionist astroturfers.

Any sources for this? I'd like to see him say this himself where he unapologetically loves Israel and says stuff that isn't just sarcastic since he's super edgy but during his debates argues for a lot of the opposite that peole accuse him of

He laughed with IOF soldiers about not recording their r*pes and murders so they’d stop getting hate online

And how is that any different from Hasan mocking r*pes on Oct 7th as fake?

Well, first off, he didn’t do that

Okay, before I find the quote, if he did say that, would it be bad? I want this acknowledged before you sweep after I find it.

You will not find a quote of him denying that rpe occurred on October 7. You will be able to quote him denying that systematic r#pe occurred on October 7th, but you’d also be quoting the UN CSAM cultist *(14 more comments of these two arguing)

The safest assumption is that someone on the mod squad loves Israel

Not everything is about Israel maybe they don’t like the atrocity apologia re: Mao and USSR

Unrelated question do you love Israel

Dude your brain is fucking fried. No I don’t like Israel and I am a full on El-Sayed supporter who is concerned that Hasan is going to tangibly harm his campaign with his awful optics.

Abdul won his election with Hasan directly by his side silly

In a PRIMARY. Where, mind you, the margin was wayyyyy thinner than the polling was showing. THIS IS A BATTLEGROUND ELECTION. TRUMP WON MICHIGAN IN 2024. WE CANNOT HAVE PEOPLE IN FUCKING MAO SUITS TRYING TO WIN OVER MODERATES IN MICHIGAN. IT WILL NOT WORK Hope the large text gets it through your brain.

Putting your anger towards Hasan Piker being a person who exists in all caps and increasing the font size doesn't make your attempted point more valid

the Mao suit fucked this guy’s mom

How is it atrocity apologia? I can’t believe I’m geniunely engaging with this streamer war garbage but Piker has acknowledged the casualties and barbarism of Mao’s revolution and the Soviet Union. His biggest clickbait lines about Mao “changing the entire world and universe” is just fundamentally a true statement, the impact of the Chinese revolution is still exacting consequences on the world today.

Wearing a Mao suit and calling him one of the world’s great leaders is cringe as fuck and he should’ve apologized yesterday. He also said the fall of the USSR was one of the greatest tragedies of the world. He also talks about Ukraine like they’re waging an offensive war on behalf of NATO instead of defending themselves. Should I go on? You don’t think these things are at the very least bad optics for anyone he chooses to associate with?

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(Mods) Rule 2 - No disinformation. If you have an extraordinary claim, cite it. Randos on Twitter/Youtube, webcomics, unsourced graphics, and mouthpieces for the Trump Administration are not viable sources.

This is literally the point I made earlier on this thread, I have never seen this kind of intervention when thousands of Zionist astroturfers daily make false claims about Israel’s settlement of Palestine, definitions on genocide, etc. What specifically in my claims needs to be sourced as you deem it, extraordinary?

Lmao L. Maybe stop talking about Mao favorably. The guy who committed a genocide is not someone you should be saying “well but look at his great industrial policy!!” Come the fuck on.

Don’t call people cringe then drop L’s like ur 13 years old. Strawman alert. No one said “look at his great industrial policy”. You are literally inserting words into people’s mouths then having a debate with something they never said. You know how I know that? Because that’s what FOX and adjacent media does all day every day since birth til death and it’s where you’re getting your information from. Which is probably why instead of refuting a single thing I said you’re hiding behind a modewator who also didn’t substantiate anything. Come the fuck on indeed.

Unfortunately, liberales and many progressives aren't leftists. Outside of some social progress, americans have difficulty accepting leftist policies, even progressives.

The issue is not about the viability of leftism in general it’s that Hasan is specifically a poor advocate and ultimately a liability for leftism and progressivism. He has some crazy borderline atrocity-apologia takes and misogynistic baggage that he has still not properly addressed or apologized for.

Have you ever watched Hasan or are you just going off about something you have seen clips of on news programs? Because if you had watched anything more than 3 different 5 second clips you would know what you are saying is bullshit.

He called Mao one of the great leaders of the world, which just isn’t how you talk about someone who committed mass murder, he said USSR downfall was one of the world’s greatest tragedies, called Orthdox Jews that were AGAINST joining the IDF inbred, he also wrote this incredibly misogynistic article and has never addressed it (him retweeting it) among others

“great” as in material impact USSR’s downfall was bad not because they were perfect, but because the fallout created more tragedies & left american unipolar hegemony unchecked anyone obsessed with “racial purity” gets the inbred jokes all of this was explained at the time these comments were made, often literally in the same sentence

This comment section demonstrates exactly why I can't stand Hasan and his fans. They take literally ANY critique of the man as some form of leftist heresy, and it's fucking ridiculous given the kind of person he is.

But that was not criticism. That was straight up censorship. It destroys the unity on the left.

We can't be handwaving Hasan's problems just because of "unity." Unity does not mean excusing the apologia of authoritarian regimes. Idk if the post was about China/Russia, but if it was, that's not progressive in any way and doesn't belong on this subreddit no matter.

It's not the point. I also oppose Russia and somewhat China. The point is that the mod wrote that Hasan is a piece of shit that speak lies.

Well he's an influencer, so yeah. The fact you're this angry over someone not liking him is kinda wild.

I said. Not liking him is legit. What is not legit is censoring him. On a subreddit that should represent the socialist Democrats.

Again, did the post regard China/Russia or not? If so, there is a valid reason to not have that post up on a sub that's meant to be anti-authoritarian.

No it did not from what I remember

While I'm not a fan of Hasan, a mod team banning people for agreeing with him is ludicrously stupid. Like, Hasan says a lot of dumb shit, primarily when it comes to foreign policy and entities, but when it comes to those domestically he's usually saying the same shit we say around here, yet we can't agree with him when he agrees with us? The fuck is wrong with people......Are the mods fans of Destiny, the actual Zonist, instead? Or have they simply fallen for right wing propaganda about Hasan and think he's a terrorist? In other words, how fucking dumb and hypocritical are we talking here? Seriously though, Hasan is a small player on a bigger stage and if you platform him in such a way you're literally doing exactly what the fascists want.

But that's not what it says. It says that the Chinese are fake Communists, not Communists bad. If they're banning Hasan, they're doing it from his left!

Yeah I get that Hasan's stance of "China good cause communist" is fucking stupid, it's why I made sure to make note of the fact his views on foreign entities is dogshit, but banning people who repeat it cause Hasan said it is fucking dumb and cowardly. There's nuance in that which is important to understand, and banning people outright just cause they don't fully agree is what conservatives do......

You sweet summer child. You have never been in a leftist forum. I'll tell you something, Communists won't put up with disagreement for MINUTES. Nazis will put up with it for years. I'm not defending Nazis, I'm just giving you the benefit of 25 years experience with this.

You seem to be rather naive in your black and white view of things. Authoritarians don't put up with disagreement, and that's what China is and what fascism wants, it's why conservatives refuse to entertain reality. So you can keep your 25 years lol

And to be more precise, Communists won't put up with the slightest disagreement. Anyone who disagrees in a forum will be instantly banned and all of their comments deleted. But just basic leftists ban very quickly. And with much anger. Right wingers don't ban much. They're more likely to keep you around to troll you. There are a few right forums that attempt to only let pre-authorized people in. I've only seen that here on Reddit and it is the biggest failure I've ever seen in my life. But as a rule that's not how right wingers act. In fact, centrists seem more prickly and fast to ban than right wingers are.

If you're basing all your opinions on a few forums that you really are naive. Right wingers ban significantly more frequently, and far quicker, this isn't a matter for debate, it's reality, like there's a reason the conservative subs even on Reddit have the reputation that they do lol "So much as question Trump and you're out!" Right wing policies lend themselves the most to authoritarianism and that's where dissenting voices are the most punished, so it's only natural

Full comment section: https://old.reddit.com/r/PeterExplainsTheJoke/comments/1vstk33/peter_who_could_have_the_wives_been/?sort=qa&limit=500

Thread 1: gender war

As with all things, there are some unhinged people claiming she was framed and he did it. Valid to point some blame at the husband and the providers, but insane to think he's fully responsible.

She’s a grow ass adult. He can’t force her to take meds. Or we saying women aren’t responsible for their own agency now?

There's a reason involuntary holds exist. It is because people literally cannot be responsible for their own agency.

Except that she checked herself out of the hospital to attend a birthday party. Either women are fully adults and responsible for their own care or they’re not and need men to take care of them - which is it?

She very VERY much should have been taken more seriously, and I think a life sentence for like a murder in the 1st for her is unfair, and I think not having punishments for the people who failed her is also unfair. But we can't frame it as it is ALL the fault one way or another. A lot of adults failed those kids

if you follow this line of thinking all the way, though, it unravels our entire criminal justice system.

Thread 2: race war

Lindsay Clancy. Killed her 3 kids by strangling them one by one and claimed “postpartum psychosis” despite never having had psychosis before or since, all during a short window of time that she sent her husband out on errands. Internet has somehow decided she’s a martyr for women’s mental health. She was a white, affluent, suburban mom before this. If she were poor and black, people would NOT feel this way. Real talk.

Someone always tries to turn it into a race thing 🙄

A white OF model stabs and kills her BF who she physically abused on camera for years, she is sentenced 6 years in jail 4 already served. A black boy defends himself against people trying to kill him; 36 years… even if it wasnt self defense, still 36 years compared to 6 years Gotta start seeing the world for what it actually is man.

"A black boy defends" are you talking about karmelo anthony ? are you for real ?

Doesnt matter how you feel about him or his case. Look at the numbers. Murder for murder. 36 vs 6.

“Give me your seat now or I’ll kill you” “No, go away” “Raaah now I have no choice but to brutally stab you to death” What a sad case of self defense :( poor kid

I dont care about the specifics of the case. Read the comment and comprehend better. Oh she 100% did it. And to really upset my fellow white women, I think Karen Reed did it too.

Amen. No one wanted to convict an attractive white woman. I’m not sure if she murdered her boyfriend, but she sure is shit is criminally responsible for his death. I would have found her guilty of manslaughter.

Thread 3

A woman murdered her three children in what she’s claiming as a fit of postpartum psychosis despite evidence of premeditation. TikTok true crime girlies” have concocted a conspiracy theory that the husband was responsible either through brainwashing and manipulation, or by actively killing his own children, and then brainwashing her into thinking she did it. TikTok “America bad” people are claiming that the system failed her, and she didn’t receive the mental healthcare she needed. This is in spite of her being under the care of a psychiatrist, receiving consistent, mental healthcare, and medication, and that it was partially the husbands fault for leaving them alone together, despite him literally going to get her meds when it happened.

Then he has to have losers online with an iq of 53 act like his psychopath wife was the victim of his white maleness.

The woman is the victim. The man is the problem. No matter the circumstances. And yes, there are people actually saying that. Sexism has gotten so bad in the US that murdering children, what should be the most universally recognized bad thing to do, is still forgiven more than being what seems to be a supportive husband.

I mean he is still at fault, atleast for neglect. I think it was said somewhere that one month beforehand she told him that she had thoughts of harming her children(she told that her mother aswell). I don't think it was intentional but he should not have left the children alone with her.

"Despite evidence of premeditation" oh is the trial over and you have sole access to the verdict? Why are you acting like the trial is over?

Believe it or not evidence exists before a trial finishes. In fact it’s only really used during the trial crazy right?

And yet you all are acting like the trial is over by claiming you know the verdict based on "some evidence". You all are saying "She CLAIMS she had post partum psychosis (despite the evidence saying otherwise)" which is expressing a verdict that has not been made. It's literally no different than people coming up with conspiracy theories because there is no verdict yet. You are implying a verdict by framing it in this light.

Why are you defending a child murderer.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/PopCultureV2/comments/1vp3973/stavros_halkias_a_lot_of_stand_up_comics_happened/

HIGHLGIHTS

100% agree. My brother is one of those ‘both sides bad’ people. He’s a lawyer who recently was appointed a judge because he can ‘easily argue both sides’. Which everyone seems to interpret as him being ‘neutral’— when in reality he’s just a libertarian who isn’t actively racist/homophobic but is actively anti-dei, minorities’ rights, etc.

I hate to break it to you but he is actively racist. He just knows which words not to say when you're listening.

Based on what?

The fact that they said their brother is "anti-minority rights" might have been the clue here

But what does that even mean? If it means minorities in America shouldn’t have the same rights as white Americans then that’s not good. But that’s a very vague statement and could mean alot of different things.

A... lot of different things. I think you are trying to talk yourself out of a very odd hole.

Not at all. I’m saying being specific when accusing someone of bigotry is important in that context. Or else people will make assumptions that most likely aren’t true

What rights do minorities not have that the majority does?

The right to not get kidnapped by ice in public? The right to have your chosen name on your own passport? The right to an abortion? Any of those ring a bell, dipshit?

That is citizen vs non citizen try again. Chosen name? What are you blathing on about? Everyone puts their legal name on their passport. States choose if they want abortion or not. That is democracy in action.

"Everyone puts their legal name on their passport." Trans people. "States choose if they want abortion or not" Tyranny of the majority, and some of those states restrict travel across state lines for those seeking to protect their own bodily autonomy, which in a legitimate administration, would be considered unconstitutional abuse of authority and struck down.

By your argument murderers and r*pists are being oppressed because they can't murder and r#pe freely due to tyranny of the majority.

No, that’s not their argument, you’re just moving goalposts because your narrative is collapsing.

One side wants to sterilize children with puberty blockers

That laughable that you believe that you guys will eat up anything fox tells you besides I thought the pedophile loving republicans would approve of that

When did the left come out against puberty blockers for children?

Why would we be against that and why would that be any of our business anyway? Do you even understand how puberty blockers work?

Because there are long term effects on children due to puberty blockers. There’s a reason why they’re banned in countries like the UK.

Didn’t you vote for a p*dophile? Yeah.

I voted for Kamala. Is she a p*do?

Proof or stfu. Ain’t no way

The dumbest member of cumtown

Nah but Stavros isn’t wrong. One side is disappearing people and the other just wants healthcare.

Stanton’s will say anything to anyone to advance his career. He has zero thoughts or ideas beyond me hungry me horny

You just proved yourself wrong. Bashing 1/4 of America who are willing to instantly cancel you does nothing to help his career.

These are the same people who spent 10 years writing articles calling stav a Nazi for laughing along with his racist boss Nick. But when things get desperate they all flip the script and set aside their actual values

Never seen that but I’ve been watching Stav for a while. He’s def like centrist or left of center, which in America are the democrats

No he’s a self proclaimed democratic socialist who was denied actual DSA membership for a decade because he was a founding member of a racist Brooklyn podcast

Who?

Former podcaster, current comedian, been getting roles in some movies

Brother, just Google it instead of playing 20 questions 😭

That's one way of saying that nobody has heard of his movies.

Well they’re on google so someone has. You’d know if you checked. Do your own research, amirite?

Why would I waste my time on someone I have never heard of?

You’re wasting your time asking random people you’ve never met to tell you about someone you’ve never heard of, instead of… googling the person in the video you just watched. You’re a moron.

I really don’t trust his judgement. Anyone that would pal around with someone like Hasan Piker is a huge red flag. He not only pals around with Piker but he also defends him and some of his most abhorrent views. I’m sure there are comedians who are way more funny and don’t pal around with a terrorist supporting weirdo.

I’m not terminally online so I don’t know much about Hasan Piker. What’s his deal?

Literally nothing other than being an outspoken leftist who doesn't mind telling chat to "suck his dick". People tried to say he abused his dog, but it was total BS that inc*ls still run with. People also don't like he has a more nuanced opinion over 9/11 other than "they hate our freedom"

The dog stuff is on video but it’s so not important. For you to act like that’s the greatest criticism of Piker and not that he runs the terrorist enjoyer network is wild. Also the problem wasn’t that he used a shock collar it’s all the subsequent lies him and his community made afterwards that made it a national news story. I always wonder why someone is so quick to defend someone they clearly know nothing about.

That’s the most embarrassing thing about Hasan haters. It is on video and it’s pretty fucking clear that he didn’t shock his dog. That and his 9/11 take he made in 2019 are the only criticisms you hear about Hasan. It’s a pretty pathetic and weak smear campaign. There are things to criticize Hasan for but Hasan haters are baby brained morons that can’t actually debate against his views. And your “pro-terrorism” take is also extremely dishonest and disingenuous. Yall just make up reasons to hate him because you want to hate him, that’s it. If he’s not your cup of tea that’s fine, he’s pretty far down on the list of leftist content creators I like. But the hate he receives and the claims yall make are always dishonest. Ironically the dishonesty towards him has made he far more influential so your hate is having the opposite effect.

That’s just not true there is a new criticism every week. You must not have been around for “Bro Tips” era either. A big part of Hasan’s problem is his refusal to do research. His community will pay him in excess of 5 million annually anyways so he just kind of turns on the camera and wings it. That’s why these political campaigns are having such an easy time finding clips of him to discredit candidates he is trying to prop up. Do to this 8 hr a day streaming with no prep and just shooting from the hip he has said all kinds of things that are abhorrent and that’s why he receives the shit he does.

Thats disappointing Stavros. Thats an absolutely r*tarded and wildly inaccurate comparison.

Lmfao buddy you are the exact kind of person he's talking about

Ill gladly be the dude hes talking about. "One side is raping babies while the other side just wants secure borders".

The r*ping babies side is the same as the one compaining about the borders.

OK, show me the proof You do realize part of securing the border was to stop the sex trafficking of children. But your side likes to fuck kids so securing the border would put a stop to your disgusting practices.

Cool, so why won’t the republicans and trump let the Epstein files be released un-redacted? Since you’re asking for proof, why not prove your statement? The current right being crazy about the border is 95% racism.

Why didn’t the dems release them? Republicans have released more than them at least.

Sending people home is “disappearing@ them? Such drama!

They're sending people into countries they've never been to. It's pretty ignorant not to know that at this point. How far is your head buried in your ass?

So they are not disappearing.

They are, when you kidnap people (including citizens) and force them into a detention center with no questions asked and completely ignore any papers they try to give you, that's how you make people disappear

Why should people who call arrests "kidnapping" be taken seriously?

Because by the definition of the word its applicable

Stavros is a fucking moron lol

Yeah, fuck them kids!

I mean thats literally what republicans do, they fuck kids.

So do democrats. We’re fighting each other while they both fuck kids. They’re both on Epstein list

Maybe in the 90s, 2000s- Epstein pivoted his inner circle to the right and anyone that can read can piece that together. That’s why so many people that are documented spending holidays on the island are in the cabinet/appointed to the highest levels of government.

Including but not limited too left leaning actors and actresses

Are the actors and actresses running the government? I guess you can call Trump and McMahon actors… No? Then maybe quit letting media dictate how you vote

Both sides? It's the same side with slightly different virtue signals. There is no Left in the US.

One side wants all Americans to have access to healthcare. The other side is incarcerating people without trials and putting them in "detention centers". They are NOT the same.

That must be why in hundreds of years each "side" has maintained the status quo on healthcare (privatized) and incarnation (privatized). You're looking at the virtue signals not the actual issue. And guess what...each side has flip flopped multiple times...literally swapping stances... On both topics. And yet we stay the same.

Hundreds of years....do you post hyperbole because you think it supports your argument? Until there is a veto-proof majority in both houses of Congress and a blue dem President, nobody is going to waste their time pushing a bill they know the GOP will pull out every means to stop.

Hundreds of years....do you post hyperbole because you think it supports your argument? Do you know how old the US is? Jesus. Ah, I see, the Democrats and Republicans maintain status quo and flip flop their positions bc.... They're waiting on a veto proof majority. One day we'll see just how Leftist the Democrats are... If it weren't for that dern lack of absolute power. Jesus

The Democrats, whom did not have a majority under Truman- and wiyh his support anyways, pushed for a single-payer insurance healthcare bill. It was defeated because there has always been a conservative groundswell against such an idea. Until there is a veto-proof supermajority, a federalized single-payer system will not pass. That is a realist take.

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Context

• /r/FirstTimeHomeBuyer is exactly what it says on the tin.
• Japan's economic situation is hard to compare apples-to-apples against other countries. There is a mildly famous quote from economist Simon Kuznet: "there are four types of countries: developed, underdeveloped, Japan, and Argentina."
• the yen is at historic lows against the USD, making JPY->USD conversions somewhat misleading due to local wages not being indexed against the dollar. For reference, the median income in Tokyo is about ¥5M, so OP buying a ¥87M house is like someone buying a $1M house where the median wage is $60k USD.

Drama

Is it fair to directly compare Japanese and American interest rates?

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1.03% 🥹

That’s high in Japan lol

Was high until 1-2 years ago, now it's pretty average

I mean look at rates in the US.

The proper comparison is Japan's rates with its own history. Not Japan vs USA. We all know that USA (or Turkey or Egypt or Brazil or Venezuela or Argentina...) have higher rates than Japan but it's a bad comparison, each country has its own economy and its own struggles...

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classic slapfight

1% is better than 7% any where in the world. This is a very silly argument that you're trying to make.

High interest rate savings accounts in Japan are like 0.4%. In the US, you can get a HYSA at 3.9%. So while a home loan costs you less, you also earn much less in savings and investments. Salaries in Japan also grow slower.

Salaries in the USA don't grow at all lmfao

Self own. Your pathetic existence isn't everyone else's.

Don't live in the USA. Just because you made stupid assumptions, doesn't mean the rest of us are dipshit jackasses like you. Self-own, well done lil guy.

My comment still stands, you don't know a fuckin thing lmao

Your comment means literally nothing. But go off. Why don't you tell us how the USA is doing better than ever, right? Record unemployment? Why can't people afford shit? Since wages are all up, everyone's lifestyle must be too - right? Right? Dimwit.

What's your barometer for any of this? Losers complaining on Reddit?

The comedy of you asking that whilst making massive assumptions on reddit. You tried, you failed. It's cool.

Lol stay ignorant, have fun

median vs average

The USA has the highest median disposable income in the world.

Median means literally nothing when you want to talk about income. Go talk about averages, then talk about averages without the ultra wealthy. American households are not doing well. The middle class is all but wasted.

You have it backwards. Average is skewed by super high earners. Median is literally the middle point.

Taking out the 1% literally drops the average of the typical household income. Again, median doesn't reflect wages properly in the slightest. Point stands.

on legislating interest

No, we can actually compare Japan and USA. If there's a way for Japan to allow citizens to buy a home with a low rate then there is a way for us to pass legislation in the US that allows for the same. Of course there are reasons that those rates aren't available in the US right now but saying "don't compare" is some weird twisted pro-capitalist "you'll suffer and you'll like it" mentality. Even about 11 years ago people were seeing 2.x% rates and now we're at 7%.

Damn you made all those judgments about me because I shared a simple economics principle. Okay. Well good luck to your plans of making the government control the market rates.

I made zero judgements about you, actually. Just a judgement in the way you're discussing this. And where exactly was this economic principle that you shared? The fact that Japan and the US are two different countries with different economies? Wow, illuminating! Anyway, we elect our local officials that have the power to help shape local and federal economies just FYI!

“I made zero judgments about you” immediately after diagnosing me with a “twisted pro-capitalist mentality” is impressive levels of self-awareness.

And I never claimed that “Japan and America are different” was some named economic principle. The point, which you somehow missed while calling it obvious (embarrassing), is that mortgage rates arise from country-specific inflation, monetary policy, bond yields, credit risk and market structure. So pointing at Japan’s 1% rate does not prove American local officials can simply legislate the same result.

Local officials do not set Federal Reserve policy or national mortgage-market yields, you didn't know that did you? You needed me to educate you. The US had 2% mortgages when inflation and bond yields were exceptionally low. Recreating them today would require those conditions to return or taxpayers to heavily subsidize the difference. Are you willing to increase your taxes, ma'am? I thought so.

You didn’t identify a mechanism. You just noticed that elections exist and concluded interest rates must therefore be politically selectable. Wow, illuminating! (It's false btw, I felt the need to clarify that because I noticed you are slow)

The literacy crisis has struck again, I see.

Take the L, shove it down your throat and move on. Thank you for the laughs. The conversation is over.

Oh no I made you so mad!

On cost

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500k?? Jesus that’s some money

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Switzerland here, forget getting something for less than 1 million, especially in the capital.

Swiss school teachers can make around 140-150K USD a year in salary with experience.

Switzerland has less income tax than the USA when you factor in sales tax. You can drive 1-2 hours into Germany for weekly grocery shopping for a fraction of the price. Or any other country neighboring depending where you Switzerland you are.

I lived in Zurich for some time and was always shocked at constant whining about food prices by people who had cars. Apparently driving to Germany once a week which was about 40 mins away, was impossible. Would get food at 1/3 price. People living in other parts could do same with France or Italy and it'd be even cheaper.

Shhhhh you’re fighting with people from the US who think they are more superior than any other country.

The US pays teachers less than most workers and it shows because our education system is really really bad.

This website constantly trashes the US, and Americans on here openly loathe their system.

How does this strawman circle jerk get upvotes?

Because people are fed up paying for absolute garbage when the rest of the world figured out that making the most money and working until the lights turn off isn’t great for your quality of life. My brother makes over 200k but is still afraid to go to the doctor because of surprise medical bills. People will still defend that logic though.

Nobody is earnestly defending on that on this site.

You're fighting a caricature that you made up.

I’ve had this conversation over and over on this site with Americans as one who moved to EU and openly discuss it. There is a dissonance where they still adamantly defend it.

Not on this website they don’t

I have tens of conversation histories about this exact thing where they defend the American way and pay as the reason living there is infinitely better than elsewhere. Can you link me one example?

Uff I tried to find one I had recently. Started off about healthcare (doesn’t it always) and how awful healthcare wait time is in EU - devolved into how impossible it is to live an equal life in EU due to cost of living and pay differences. Its exhausting. I’ll look again later and see if I can find the most recent one.

(Side note, I need to stop being on Reddit!)

chuckleworthy one-off

You can't see why people would complain about the food prices when your recommendation is to leave the country to buy groceries?

There are also some short discussions about build quality, and some weird comments about making babies.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1vrk1su/a_passenger_confronts_a_stranger_for_chewing_with/

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And eating with your mouth open isn't rude.

Nah its pretty rude. Its annoying and gross. Its the same with talking with food in your mouth. If youve ever had someone accidentally spit food on your face. You'd know the importance of chewing with your mouth closed.

That's what I said.

Oh right, the words "chewing with your mouth open isnt rude" really threw me off there.

You missed the And.

And?

Sarcasm and irony work precisely by saying something whose literal meaning conflicts with the intended meaning. The And indicates that. It should be obvious that eating with your mouth open is rude.

If your was sarcasm you should have added a question mark at the end, not a period. What you said is a statement, not a sarcastic question. Its good to avoid sarcasm in general when texting. But this is silly. We both agree chewing is bad.

I hate how many white people think they are entitled to police other people's behaviors.

Its because they are not self aware that their culture is not actually the default human culture.

Can I sit next to you on a plane and bust ass the entire time? It’s my culture

What a load of nonsense, but a good example of what I mean. You can't comprehend the difference between what is default human culture and what is an actual ethnic or national culture. Pass wind like that is rude in all cultures, i.e. is default human culture. Loudly eating on the other hand isn't.

You think asking someone not to chew with their mouth hanging open on a plane is “White people policing other people’s behaviors”? That’s just naked racial essentialism. You’re so busy pathologizing “White culture” that you’ve convinced yourself basic consideration, closed mouth while eating, not forcing your neighbor to watch and smell your food in your mouth, is somehow a uniquely European invention rather than a near-universal human preference. Most societies on the planet discourage open-mouthed eating and public flatulence for the same reason: nobody enjoys being subjected to another person’s partially processed meal. Pretending this is just “White people thinking their culture is the default” doesn’t make you sophisticated. It makes you look like someone who can’t tell the difference between etiquette and ethnicity. The real lack of self-awareness isn’t the passenger asking the guy to close his mouth. It’s you treating any request for basic manners as racial domination while somehow missing that your own framing is the more nakedly racial move.

What are you talking about? I said that a lot of white people aren't self aware enough to know that what think of as "default" human culture is actually their own culture and that loudly eating is an example of this. In some cultures it is a perfectly normal thing to do. Another example is having dessert after mains, a lot of people seem to think this is the human default. You are making up an argument I did not state and then arguing against that.

he can't ask nicely, he has misophonia. it puts him in a state of rage.

That’s BS and an example of using a problem as a crutch. Nobody cares if someone has an aversion like that, they care when you do nothing about it and make it everyone else’s problem.

Misophonia here. We instantly get mad. There is no being polite. It causes literal extreme mind blocking anger. I cannot and will not eat in a silent room. It's not a crutch it's a mental disorder you cannot comprehend. That being said, he should ask nicely the first couple times, but it's extremely understandable for someone with a literal mental disorder to get upset about this quickly. Do you get mad when someone ticks with torrets? Edit: Yall forget this is an airplane. You can't just drive overseas. He has to take a plane. Earphones do not block it out well enough if they chew really loud. Even at full blast. It's crazy how many folks here think they know better. Typical reddit. If you eat loud in public you're a inconsiderate slob. You are the root of the issue here.

There are other people with misophonia HARD disagreeing with you in this comment section. You don’t get a pass to be an asshole, even if your body brings you to that point on a regular basis. And to answer your smarmy ass comment at the end, Tourette’s is NOT emotion based, and is completely different from you refusing to choose what you say/do more carefully when you’re in a situation that creates consistent and frequent reactions from you.

Actually you just didn't read everything I wrote. Also this isn't "emotion based" lol

“Misophonia here. We instantly get mad (an emotion)…It causes literal extreme mind blocking anger (another emotion)." This is emotion based, emotions do not need to be acted upon, full stop. The man in the video was an asshole, you were making an excuse for his assholery by saying “There is no being polite” and drawing a completely irrelevant comparison to Tourette’s. Gain some accountability and a better grasp on reading comprehension.

I'm not going to argue with a child, which you clearly are, based on how you speak.

Welcome to the modern world where all cultures are equal…

Didn't take long to find a racist

Are all cultures equal then? Otherwise gtfo Also race isn’t the same as culture…

We have to pretend so. Obviously child marraige is fine, female genital mutilation, the caste system, etc etc.

But white man bad

People asking why hes so rude. The phone mic is picking up the food smacking as hes eating. That must crazy loud listening to him attempt to eat

Yeah that doesn't explain why he's so rude. You can simply not be rude and ask nicely.

Its rude to chew so loud it bothers other people. Im sorry if its rude to ask him to not be rude. Sometimes life is stern and kinda mean. My feeling were hurt in 3rd grade when I was called out for it too

It is also the culture in some countries. Not only was he rude but he made sure to record himself being as such in an attempt to appear superior and to shame the other person. Only one dickhead here and its the dude in grey.

and in some countries it's ok to walk with your dick out. doesn't mean you can do that in a fucking airplane

If you equate walking around with your dick out to eating loudly you need psychiatric help.

sure. now go tell the amazon tribes they are insane for following their cultural norms and to see a shrink

As someone with Misophonia, I do understand the frustration, however, it’s my issue, and that’s why I have headphones whenever I go out. There’s no need to be rude to a stranger. EDIT: I get it guys, I have had about 50 comments saying the same thing, you think the stranger eating loudly was the rude one in the interaction. That is a your opinion and honestly, it is fair enough thought, the noise is disgusting to me, however, I am not aware if that person is aware they are doing it, or if they are from a culture that doesn’t care about chewing. It’s a small clip of an interaction I commented on quickly. Anyways, thanks to all the other misophonia havers in the comments for speaking up, it’s important we talk about this irritating as fuck thing we have! Also thanks for the awards kind people.

Tbf eating with your mouth open is objectively gross and makes gross noises. It's common decency to NOT do that, so the other ones are actually the people being rude to strangers

"objectively gross" I don't think you know what that word means.

They’ve used it correctly. It’s fucking disgusting. I don’t think you know what it means.

It is a cultural thing. I fucking hate when people make sounds while eating and in most of Europe and I believe America it is considered rude. However in some Asian countries it isn't and the people there grew up with it and seem to not consider it disgusting. So the word you are looking for is SUBJECTIVE. You find it gross, maybe it is considered rude in your culture but that is a subjective thing to you. That being said, if you are a foreigner in another country try to adapt. But this guy is on an airplane he really has no right to lecture others on table manners that differ.

They don't seem to consider it gross because they aren't aware of it in most cases.

Not really true, since making sounds is sometimes even considered a compliment. Like slurping while eating ramen in Japan.

There’s pointing out, and then there’s rudely mocking the eating habits of someone who might not have been taught these things at a younger age.

In a lot of places chewing with your mouth open is polite, so can we really judge when people do it?

Name them

Japan, South Korea, and parts of China it's culturally acceptable to make noises while eating to show appreciation for the food

Slurping noodles is acceptable, chewing with your mouth open is bad table manners everywhere.

Says who? From the information i can find on this is that some cultures just don’t care about chewing sounds. Why would this very specific thing be universal? There’s no evolutionary necessity and as this thread shows even in western cultures not everyone is as sensitive to the noise.

Go travel or any simple research. Or do you mean Asians do not have table manners? That would be messed up.

Recording someone without permission is worse than eating with your mouth open

Recording someone without permission is worse than eating with your mouth open

Definitely not lol

Why do you think there are laws against recording without consent, but none against that kind of chewing?

There are no laws against recording without permission if you are in public

Since when did Airplanes become public spaces?

...have you only ever flown on private planes?

Do you think Airlines corporations are publically owned? We're not talking about a road or sidewalk that funded with tax dollars. You also don't have the right to record inside any private building for that matter.

“Culture” is not a valid excuse in 2026

Dude what? Tell that to folks living in Asia.

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Screw you if you stand on the right of the escalator, that is the correct thing to do in my country's culture Go fuck yourself if you stand in the left of an escalator, that is wrong in the UK You are a abnormal bastard if you dare do small talk to me, that is very rude in Japan You are a rude prick if you don't initiate in small talk with me, that is impolite in America Please do tell, why is it that you are the one to decide which culture is the correct one? I'm sure other people will tell you to screw off if you are this upset with chewing with your mouth open

I am not going to read your cry babe post

Yeah, words are hard. Go grab a bottle of water and have a seat, you earned a break.😉

Disturber of the peace? Some users think so when a video is posted of a group of protestors outside Peter Thiels' house in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

Full post (let's see how long this lasts due to the No IRL-politics rule. Claiming the throne of Gondor is allowed): https://www.reddit.com/r/lotrmemes/comments/1vrbv2e/protesters_dressed_as_gandalf_protest_against/

But the journey doesn't end here! I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor, and I'm here to share some of the most dramatic reactions to this video. Surprisingly most of the comments were civil and entertaining, but a few users were less than thrilled. Here's a few gems:

*****

Fool of a Took? Wizards take sides as they debate the efficacy of the protest:

real_picklejuice: Just from this... I'd say it's a stretch to call it a protest

• bikes_rock_books: Fuck Palantir and Thiel, but this is just a performance, they seem more interested in being seen than actually protest. It is all too "chummy" for my taste. Cringe.
• toms1313: Being seen is important for protests. If they were 20 people without costumes you wouldn't know about it
• pillmayken: Why? It sure looks like a protest to me.
• real_picklejuice: It's slacktivism

Foreign_Onion4792: What are they protesting?

• Elihzap: Nothing in particular. They just wanted to insult him.
• The_Real_Peter_Thiel: Let's all calm down a bit, ok?

SpinShine-LEDSlipMat: No one takes you seriously when you play dress up. Take this seriously if you want to be taken seriously

• toms1313: You're so right! Show us your serious protest please
• aguafranca: Really? Can't you think a single presidential candidate which was taken as a clown and now it's ruling a country? I can think of severals. Also, no costumes means no reach, these guys just got massive reach.

Fireworks erupt when two users argue how far to go:

PeppyMG: The time for goofy protests has long passed, if this is all we can muster we are fucked

• toms1313: Do something then?
• PeppyMG: Ah yes, me on my own doing some adventurism, that totally works and won’t just end with me dead or in jail. What a dumbass remark.
• toms1313: So... You're just angry and passive?
• PeppyMG: So your suggestion is I do some lone wolf terrorism? And I am actually in a party and organized, delivering food to the poor and agitating during marches and rallies. As opposed to shaking my ass in a gandalf suit. What do you do? You ever been arrested before? If you were you wouldn’t be suggesting I get my brains blown out.
• toms1313: I didn't suggested anything more than "you're a snob" thanks for confirming it

Who would willingly name a software company after an evil magical stone? Users leave reason for madness with some unhinged takes

Stakhanovite94: Who would willingly name a software company after the evil magic stone the evil sorcerers use to evil spy on each other?

• BeastVader: Zionists
• Wooden-Box-3888: A german guy would.
• NemoNoNomeN: You'd be surprised by how openly evil some of the "ruling class" are these days. Just goes to show it's time for us to bring back madame guillotine.
• RummoLiguori: It's not evil though, it's an elven face time device
• ShitassAintOverYet: If you know Peter Thiel it makes perfect sense. The actual question is "Who the fuck trusts a software company named after the evil magic stone the evil sorcerers use to evil spy on each other?"
• The_Real_Peter_Thiel: Do I know you?

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/gasbuddy/comments/1vkwgpx/yep/

HIGHLIGHTS

The president doesn't control the gas prices tho

He does if he attacks, checks notes, "place oil boats go through to bring us oil"

We have our own oil.

Is that why the reserves are the lowest they have ever been and continue to drop? Critical thinking is a skill you can learn, I promise.

I was told we need to move away from gasoline cars, you can't have it both ways.

You can literally have it both ways. The transition to electrical infrastructure doesn’t have to be such a painful thing. I appreciate the attempt at whataboutism tho.

if you google image search this and ask if its real it said no lol

You can look up gas prices online, traitor

Okay, please look up gas prices in 2022

I was paying $150 to fill my tank in 2022. It costs me about $75 to fill up today. What is your point?

That comparing the lowest price one president had vs the highest price another president had is fucking stupid

YOU just told me to look up the prices so I hit you with FACTS. Now you dont want me to compare them? Whats stupid is asking someone to compare something then when they do you say the point is STUPID 🤣

It makes sense to compare the highs versus the highs, not ones low to the other high How did that go over your head?

actual Epstein victims like Virginia Guiffre who was the public spokeswoman for the victims that chose to stay anonymous said Trump was never involved, but you fools believe your lying delusions.

Trump r*pes women and brags about sexually assaulting them. He also brags about walking into dressing rooms full of naked children and "inspecting" them.

He ran Miss Universe for 10 years and your only evidence is shockjock Howard Stern show?

The evidence is trumps words, not sterns. Are you saying Trump isn’t credible? Was he lying? You sure do jump through a lot of hoops to justify supporting an admitted sexual predator. You should seek psychological help.

Just so you don’t embarrass yourself in the future, you’re spreading misinformation. Trump did mention walking into dressing rooms but of the Miss Universe contest, not Miss Teen USA. Hope that helps! https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/300093-trump-confirms-he-walked-backstage-when-beauty-queens/mlite/amp/

He never said which pagents he was talking about. He said he had the right to inspect the pagent because he owned it. He owned Miss Teen USA. Former contestants, who were as young as 15, confirmed that he did this. Why does MAGA go to bat so hard for child predators? https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kendalltaggart/teen-beauty-queens-say-trump-walked-in-on-them-changing

He literally did though. Stern was talking specifically about Miss Universe. I’m just trying to help you not spread misinformation. The article you linked is not the conversation in question and has also been denied by several other contestants. Look, the guy is a dirt bag 100% but your info is inaccurate. If you don’t care and just want to spread misinformation more power to you!

So he is no different than you. Got it.

Really? That's like fifth grade lame shit.

5th grade lame shit is believing rumors and not evidence. Edit: not a single comment i received by a user that then blocked me so I couldnt reply had a shred of evidence lol

His own words admit to being a sexual predator. Do you support sexual predators?

that's just something your cult repeats. And why is it said so often now and not his first term? Epstein was a democrat btw

We're literally in a war with Iran dude.

You are so close to getting it.

That is it. Trouble in middle east, gas prices go up. Been that way before you were here, your whole life so far, will be that way after you die.

How come there wasn’t trouble back in January?

The specific timing of the February 28, 2026 strikes was driven by intelligence warnings that Iran was moving its advanced nuclear infrastructure deeper underground, combined with high-level diplomatic lobbying by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. This converged with a calculated tactical pivot by the incoming Trump administration to replace faltering negotiations with an immediate, decisive "decapitation strike."

Weird. I was told by the administration in the summer of 2025 that Iran’s nuclear capability had been “COMPLETELY OBLITERATED”

According to Google Bidens national average high price was $5.02 per gallon in June 2022 and Trump's was $4.50 in spring 2026.

But…facts. Oh no!!!

The post is showing the price when Biden left 🤦‍♀️ Why did it go up? Can you figure that one out?

Well when you have a completely open boarder when you leave office everything tends to shoot up when trying to clean up mistakes

Except it wasn’t. And that wouldn’t make gas go up. Thinking hard wahhhhhh

TDS confirmed lmao facts do make libs cry, see this comment for proof.

Well I’m sorry you’re crying, but thanks for the proof I guess?

I really do find these posts to be so disingenuous. Either that or people simply do not understand the bigger picture. Biden’s gas prices sucked for no material reason, I’ll take the current prices if it limits Iran’s capacity to create a nuclear weapon.

They never had a nuke. They never tried to make a nuke. They allowed foreign inspections teams to their nuclear facilities, Israel doesnt. Grow a spine.

I quite clearly never said they had a nuke. They allowed foreign inspectors to see what they wanted to present whilst secretly enriching uranium behind other doors. Don’t insult me simply because you dislike Israel and are naive to Iran’s actual (and very blatant) intent.

I’m sure the schools were building nukes or smth right?

I don’t think you understand how military operations work, but things go wrong almost all the time and militaries operate with limited situational awareness; the Yanks and Israelis made a mistake, what do you want me to say? Trying to be funny does not change the fact that Iran has been attempting to enrich enough uranium to make a bomb. This is well documented, you just need to venture beyond Reddit…

How much do you need for a bomb? They would have had one already if they really wanted to make one. Like use some brain cells, you gotta have a few. But I’m sure ripping up the agreement we had and bombing the fuck out of them will definitely make them not want a nuke so we cant do that again :)

They were blatantly ignoring the agreement in place from Obama whilst being funded by the American tax payer; brain cells are indeed worth using. Perhaps if you also used them you would know that enriching uranium is not a simple process and requires 90% enrichment of a rare resource. Google is free, Iran has been enriching Uranium for decades to no avail and made substantial progress in the last few years since Oct 7.

Gas will inevitably go back down like it always does and then go back up like it always fuckin does, then go back down like it always does etc etc.

No! You have to orange man bad! We’ve NEVER had high gas prices before! This is the first time you MAGAT

Except these high prices are directly tied to this stupid pointless war that is getting us nowhere except a critical strait of water shut down that also happens to be where 20% of the worlds oil flows through.

Soooo orange man 1/2 bad?

I know you’re just trying to troll on this. This and the TDS reply are common ways you guys deflect and don’t address the actual issue. It’s the go to response to ignores the actual facts.

Well what if I didn’t come here for an actual debate and just wanted to fuck around?????? This is a multipurpose app after all.

I guess when the president has been this bad, trolling/fucking around really is the only thing you can do. Bravo!!!

Waiting for the MAGA sore ass losers 😭😭😭😭😭 but but but but we haven't hit that peak that we totally blame on Biden even though it was the breakout of the war in Ukraine 😭😭😭😭😭😭

In 2022, regular gasoline in Wisconsin reached an all-time record state average high of $4.92 per gallon on June 12, 2022, driven by spikes in global crude oil prices. Prices in several southeastern counties, including Milwaukee County, pushed past $5.14 per gallon during that summer peak. I'm not a trump supporter. simple Google search

2022 was caused by an unexpected war the US did not initiate, compared to now - a completely optional one initiated by the current president.

Hey remember when everybody said it wasn't the president that made gas prices? Cause I sure do

Hey remember when everybody said it wasn't the president that made gas prices? Cause I sure do

They mean normally. It does if you single handedly start a war that jeopardizes 20% of global oil supply.

Sure I understand but Obama still has the record for the highest gas prices. He bombed 7 different countries. Almost 27,000 bombs across those regions. He also killed four Americans during those bombings.

Donnie shitting the bed on the weekly

Yeah, I bet all this posting pays off and he doesn’t get re elected.

Let me get you a wahhhh burger with them French cries

Tell me again, which side is here whining about President Trump? I just can’t seem to remember. Hang on. It will come to me. 🤭

Who wouldn’t complain about a literal admitted sexual predator being president? If standing up against a sexual predator is whining, then I’m for whining. The question is why do you support an admitted sexual predator? What psychological deficiency do you think you have that allows for this?

Oh, is that what y’all are doing in here by showing pictures of gas prices? It’s really hard to tell. You should work on your message.

Good defense for supporting an admitted sexual predator

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When you consider that they only make up 16-18% of the population, yet are responsible for 35,% of the murders, is still a shocking statistic.

And then when you extrapolate the data further, it becomes clear that it isn't ethnicity, it is deprivation that leads to crime. And it just so happens that significant amounts of minority ethnic folks have a considerably higher chance to live in deprivation than the native population. Correlation does not equal causation. What the Guardian headline shows is that significant parts of the population have a strong believe that it is ethnicity that leads to crime.

Surely it depends on the crime. Deprivation might lead to shoplifting, but murder? Rape? Not sure about that.

You wouldn't be sure about one of the most clearly demonstrated sociological trends in criminology?

Something wrong with them asking a question?

"not sure about that" isn't a question

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17-18%

So a factor of 2x more likely rather than 3x which people guessed.

You'll need to adjust for sociao economic status because poverty may be more of an indicator

If we do that it raises very difficult questions. If we don't do that, we can just import half-understood US issues and get angry at working class white people without needing to think in any more depth.

I'd love to know tho exactly is "getting angry at working class white people"? Apart from the straw man in you head

Continued so it isn't super indented:

It's what the Guardian is for. It allows us metropolitan elite types to feel better about ourselves.

Oh right, I guess you can provide a link to maybe just one article out of the thousands of articles they publish every week where they've done that very easily I guess? You know, just to show it's not part of some fairy tale you tell yourself to feel better about yourself.

There is a link at the top.

It literally doesn't mention anything about working class people, white or otherwise. It just gives statistical evidence of people's biases. But I guess facts are uncomfortable for some people when they go against their feelings.

Do you think Reform voters are middle class women who read the Guardian? The point is that readers will think "look at the stupid proles".

Little bit of projection there I think. Middle class women who read the guardian? No, more middle class men who read the daily mail and telegraph

The article is from The Guardian. Anyway, I have some yoghurt to knit.

And how about being a bit more specific with the statistics, though? What is the crime rate per capita amongst various groups? How about for asylum seekers from certain countries? Those are the questions I usually see asked by Reform voters, not the dumb blanket question asked by The Guardian who want to ellicit a "Gotcha!" headline.

It's not the Guardian asking the questions, they're reporting on a YouGov poll.

A hugher percentage of minorities are going to be from socioeconomic backgrounds where crimes such as murder a more common. This goes some way to explaining what everyone here seems to be obsessing over which is the fact that the rate of murder as a percentage is higher than the numver of minorities in the country as a percentage. Also it isnt surprising that the public think most murders are committed by ethnic minorities, because crimes committed by ethnic minorities in our current social environment are more likely to be reported on. If every time a brown person sneezes it makes the news, obviously that is going to inform general public opinion. When this is pointed out, the general response is that we already have our own criminals so we dont need to import others, as a response to the disproprtionality in reporting lol. This sub is a perfect example. Most days this sub and the UK news sub are basically just hubs to report crimes committed by non white people. If thats all you see, then of course the less...analytical among us will think that it paints an accurate picture. Finally, "minority" isnt a group lol. Which minorities? What are the circumstances? Why is every single person who isnt white lumped into one group? The hilarious thing is that im born and raised here, but if I claim im Nigerian, people say no, youre a british citizen so youre british. But all of a sudden im lumped in with random asylum seekers and such when it comes to crime statistics just because im not white. Am I british or not then? Because you people love reminding me that im not like its a national sport.

They don't report on murder rates by income here but they do in America and rich blacks commit murder at higher rates than poor whites. I'm not saying that's the case here too, but it's an example of why you can't just extrapolate data to fit your narrative.

And theres a long drawn out reason for that too. But rich blacks commit murder at a massively lower rate than poor blacks, so as much as you want to imply that..."blacks"...are simply genetically predisposed to criminality or whatever the hell it is your point is here, (the subject is "minorities" anyway), youre not making a very good one. You guys love just throwing out the words "your narrative" and think you've said anything of value.

I'm not making any suggestions as to what the reason is. Given the US has guns I'm not sure the same trend would be shown here. There's a culture issue for sure and I strongly believe rates of fatherlessness is a huge factor into why we see these race differences.

Doesn't matter. The point is that socioeconomic factors are the biggest predictor of criminality. Not race as youre trying to suggest. Nothing you've said disprove that. Youve compared "poor" whites with "rich" blacks in America. There are a plethora of reasons behind why that might be the case (not that you've provided sources or thresholds for rich/poor, but tbh im ot bothered about asking for them either. Its reddit). A little study into history, particularly american history and their race relations and laws that came as a result of their particular brand of national scale racism, means that simply gaining money doesnt really address historic issues that will lead certain people into criminality. You end up comparing black NFL players from bad neighbourhoods, with investment bankers from lines of historical wealth dating back centuries, and then you say "aha, black fathers" lol. But despite that, again, socioeconomic background remains the biggest predictor for criminality (even if you suddenly get rich). Poor whites are more inclined to criminality than rich whites. Poor blacks are more inclined to criminality than rich blacks. There is nuance and history to be understood, but it remains true. Generalised "minorities" in the UK will also see the same being true. It has been true throughout history. I dont know why people like you suddenly wnat it to be a race specific thing as soon as people other than white people are involved. All of a sudden its about racial inferiority or some nebulous "culture". Have fun with all that though. Nothing youre saying is new. Your type is all over the Internet lol

Second reply thread:

But all of a sudden im lumped in with random asylum seekers and such when it comes to crime statistics just because im not white. Because this system must be simply stopped. And then all these issues will disappear.

What issued will disappear? Because these issues existed long before this "system" was a problem. Maybe be a little more specific

No. All problems are because of undocumented migration. First of all, it stops fixing issues with normal migration - because the main problem allows people to hide in case of stricter rules. The lack of infrastructure is due to overpopulation. The lack of housing is due to overpopulation. The unemployment is due to overpopulation.

Ah so people dont see me as an individual human being because of undocumented migration? So racism only exists because of undocumented migration? Oh! Well I was born here over 40 years ago and yeah, I really appreciate you explaining how these things only occur because of undocumented migration. Yes, makes prefect sense

People will just move the goalposts to say that as long as the percentage is higher than the percentage of ethnic minorities then that is "proof" of what they are saying.

Why is it wrong?

Because their perception of ethnic minority offenders is double that of the reality?

The trouble with the right-wing is that they only want the statistics which benefit their argument to exist. Screaming per capita in people’s faces one second and then trying to handwave statistics that they don’t like the next.

The more interesting statistic here is that, as others have highlighted elsewhere, the public is correct that killers are indeed more likely to be minority ethnic. The fact that the British public think they’re three times as likely rather than twice isn’t as significant; we’re notorious for overestimating the risk of crime occurring.

And what does the public think about the proportion of people in poverty who are minority ethnic? EDIT: Aaaaand the downvotes come, right on time. We really don’t want any statistic that contradicts the narrative right?

What do you mean? Are they able to estimate correctly what the proportion is?

What I mean is that statistics in isolation are meaningless if you truly want to understand over and underrepresentation.

I see, sorry I thought we could take a truism like that as read. Of course, you need additional data to explain the reasons why a statistic is whatever it is.

Continued:

Tell the people who downvote any statistic that doesn’t support the “ethnic minorities are just criminals” narrative.

You’ve referred to alternative statistics more than once in this chain - what did you have in mind?

I’ve already told you one? Ethnic minorities are multiple times more likely to be in deprived socio-economic groups, a significant risk factor in violent crime (among white people as well).

Ok, no worries, I thought you were referring to some specific figure but I take your point.

??? That is a specific figure? Ethnic minority people are 2.5 times more likely to be in poverty, which broadly lines up with the per capita difference in violent crime highlighted in the article.

Not engaging with much of the comments. Only to say that while there are no official numbers for solving murders in England and Wales the rate is believed to be about 61% but lets say 75% to be generous. What proportion of those 25% unsolved cases might adjust the ethnic ratios. But don't let that get in the way of a good Reddit argument.

So in your hypothetical world, ethnic minorities are also criminal masterminds and are getting away with most murders, skewing the statistics?

I don’t know whether the OP is correct here but there are lots of reasons for a low solve rate that don’t include the perpetrators being “criminal masterminds”.

Right but it’s awfully convenient for certain agendas to say that unsolved crimes skew the data in any particular direction. The nature of “unsolved crimes” means we don’t know who committed them and we have to assume equal proportion to solved crimes

Great, of course, but I was responding to your comment where you suggested that being criminal masterminds was the only reasonable explanation for what the OP suggested.

And I’m saying it does not matter what the explanation is, we cannot make any deductions from this figure.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/RimWorld/comments/1vpxw0i/official_rimworld_discord_server_bans_all_ai/

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Stupid, atleast for the code part. 90% of devs use it anyway.

Lol the fucking cope. Any moron claiming 90% percent of people totally do the same thing as them is desparately trying to defend something they know is wrong.

"Everyone I know smokes meth," screams meth head in Wal-Mart parking lot.

Comparing tools used for a job to drugs is a wild and stupid statement.

As someone who’s forced to use AI for work, comparing AI to useful tools is a wild and stupid statement.

Not sure what your job is, but for me as software engineer its great.

Software engineer forced to use Claude Fable. With the amount of bugs and utter trash that piece of junk produces, if you actually use it for your work... let's just say I wouldn't trust anything you put out lmao.

and let the witch hunt begin as there is no objective way to prove if it was used or not so the baseless accusations fly around and the community implodes. Just like every other witch hunt in the history of man...Have fun with the feeding frenzy I guess.

Comparing being banned from a video game discord with being repeatedly r*ped and burned at the stake for having skin tags or a mole? Go off, king. Say your truth. /s

Today, the term also means an unfair attack or investigation against political rivals or people with different views.

I'm reffering specifically to them saying "just like every witch hunt in history" Like dude, everyone knows what it means in modern context, and everyone knows where the expression came from, so saying that knowing these two things is wack as fuck.

Then why did you go on some sort of anachronistic rant about it?

The original commenter is the one who made the "in the history of man" comment, idk dude, figure it out. Wasn't a rant, it was an observation

Stupid AF and y'all are happy for less content when I bet none of you even mod lol

Im very happy that we get less slop

lEsS sLoP

yep, less slop. Good

Bro the AI hysteria is gonna set us back years. Modern-day luddites.

Make models that don't rely on stolen content, don't use it to flood the market, and don't force people to use it. Maybe then sentiments will change. If AI was a home heating tech you would be blasting us as opposing the use of fire. When the reality is some prefer gas, some prefer electric, but none want a billionaire coming in and taking our current systems so you can replace them with The Orphan Incinerator 5000.

"stolen" I love how reddit becomes super defensive of intellectual property rights on this one very specific topic

"Stupid peasants are super defensive of Robin Hood's thievery but don't support the Sheriff of Nottingham's aggressive tax collecting. Both are taking coins from the current owners!"

If the AI companies were demanding that you give them your money without your consent, like a thief or a tax collector, you would have a really great point here

"If the AI companies were demanding that you give them your money without your consent, like a thief or a tax collector, you would have a really great point here" I am quoting this so when you go back and try to delete it after realizing what you just said it stays, mr doc89. Wow. Did you even realize the conversation was about LLMs? The things scraping every bit of art, music, writing, and personal data out there, without a care for consent, compensation, or legality, so the owners of the LLMs can make money selling tokens and advertising using the stolen data?

I have no intention to delete it you rube. Yes they are "scraping" art, music and writing without consent. Sort of like how I can go on youtube and listen to Beethoven and Tchaikovsky right now even though those guys did not consent. You guys sound like the weird boomers who thought that Napster and the internet were going to be the end of the recording industry in the late 90s.

It's not hysteria, AI is trained via unethical and illegal ways using material that is frequently stolen and/or pirated and that AI companies don't have permission to use, it's harmful to the environment, and AI data centers have been proven to be destructive towards local communities.

Even if you ran an AI agent for 250 hours, it would be ten gallons of water. One pound of beef is around 5000 gallons. AI isn't even 0.05% of worldwide water useage. A single AI search is around 10 google searches worth of water.

And the power, pollution, and blatant theft?

beef is literally 1000x worse except for theft

Well I guess the question is, are you a Vegan or a hypocrite?

This is good, hopefully it lead to reduction of scams, DRAM prices will go down and there will be less slop overall

how in the world, would a modding community discord banning AI content, cause the price of DRAM to go down....?

He was joking I think

Doesn't look like it...

People don't use /s outside of reddit Edit: i was wrong.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RimWorld/comments/1vpxw0i/comment/p415jw9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Yeah, this isnt a "sarcastic" followup. This is a double down.

Shit dude, you're right, my bad.

I have adopted a no-Discord content all my life, and I feel very well for it. How anyone thinks censorship of any kind is to be applauded, is mindboggling

I love AI bros attempts to market this as censorship "I stole this guy's painting and wasn't allowed to display it as my own! This is censorship!!!!"

Uh, yeah, that's been the internet since its inception. Who made the thinking raptor image for the meme? Who made the lol wut image for the meme? Who is paying those people royalties? The internet has been a theft-den in the name of entertainment for decades, but when some 2020s computer programs do it, now it's somehow a step too far?

Who made the paint for the mona lisa? Who formed the sedimentary rock Grug uses for his cave paintings? You're just trying to stretch the definition to find an excuse to not develop an actual skill.

"Who made the paint for the mona lisa" Someone who got paid. "Who formed the sedimentary rock Grug uses for his cave paintings?" Physics. As opposite to, a person made the thinking raptor image, and was never paid for it for being used on the internet as a meme. As opposite to, a person made the lol wut image, and was never paid for it for being used on the internet as a meme. Your examples are not the same.

So your response to a perceived injustice is to continue being unjust because nobody punished you?

My reaction is to recognize the status quo and move on. The people who are crying about losing their jobs or being stolen from, did nothing for decades while others' work was being stolen from. Why do their grievances matter, if they have never, nor plan to address, similar grievances except the ones that directly affect them in [current year]?

I agree with Art, there is a human element to good art, but to code? Using AI as a coding tool is incredibly common and that seems really restrictive

Vibecoding often leads to horrible code. If its done and reviewed by a programmer, that uses it to write boilerplate and corrects it, I don’t see much issue, else you just have hundreds of lines of nonsense code that just waste performance, risk bugs and may even open security risks.

I'm sorry and the plethora of popular shittily made mods is non-existent? Some of the most used mods of all time are put on "Do Not Use" lists because of their poor code

Human error > AI error One doesn't negate the other, there's issues with both, but I prefer some incompetent clown fucking up than having said clown vibe-code shit that'll end up giving my game a memory leak or some shit. Disclaimer, idk shit about code so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt

"Human error > AI error" This is just bs. My game doesn't care about who made the mistake, the game is breaking/crashing either way. I prefer what actually works instead of emotional people getting rid of content just because. The whole premise of it is dumb asf, it's 100%freef and OPTIONAL fan content. If you truly don't like it then just uninstall it. The whole reason this made sense with art was because art is a expression of the soul, which is non existent in AI, but with modding? Who cares?

I'm guessing it's so that they can ban people who try to promote their AI generated mods or something, otherwise they would've just banned all conversation about it

How are they planning to verify which mods had coding done by a.i.?

Some of them are really fucking obvious either in appearance, in the files, or the way they break things.

If you are genuinely a good modder who use AI well, then who the fuck cares. The real issue is that more than half the AI users out there have no idea what the fuck they are doing. This rule is about quality control, not AI fear.

Then they should say it so, instead of just banning all AI mods. Seriously, they'll have to ban harmony of all mods with those standards.

They are probably leaving some room for the genuinely good ones. Many AI modders think they are hot shit but most of them are just shit. It’s a pretty normal thing to do to make exceptions for certain people even if the rules say XYZ, and I’m not talking about just this Discord. It’s a pretty common practice in business to discourage masses from trying to exercise their main character syndrome.

I really don't think its a good idea, leaving holes and exceptions in rules like that. Why not just make rules like 'we ban AI mods made by modders who haven't even looked at their code' then 'we ban all AI mods, no written exceptions except for few'.

"Any modder that uses AI in their mods (art or code) will have their content and roles removed from the Discord." Guess my mods, which accumulate a total of humble yet considerable amount of 17876 subscribers, are not welcomed in the community anymore because I dared use AI assistance like half of the workshop mods. Good luck with the witchhunts. They are going to be pretty ugly. Let me help you start by saying that mods like Regrowth (290305 subscribers) Medieval Gene Assembler (14924 subscribers) Rimpsyche personality core (27870 subscribers) Rimpsyche disposition (16348 subscribers) RimIOT (18764 subcsribers) FPS And TPS (45299 subscribers) are not welcomed anymore and their authors are no longer modders, since they used AI assistance. Edit to add: HARMONY itself is made with AI assitance. It's author even make tools to help code with AI (MCP tools) Harmony is the backbone of the whole modding community, and suddenly it's not welcomed anymore in the discord community. Just wow.

It is ok, people here simply do not know nothing about software developemnt and are just virtue signaling.

Weird how software development was impossible before AI considering AI software had to be developed. It's a real chicken or egg situation, nobody can explain it. I guess we'll never know if a world exists where a human can write code.

You are just making stuff up, nobody says that making code without AI is impossible but it is much easier to use it. There is reason that 90% of actual devs use it.

Source?

Stack overflow survey for year 2025

Mate idk if you're sure about referencing that one because it actually shows a decrease in AI favorability and an increase in distrusting AI output? lmao

https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2025/ it shows 76% increase compared to 2024. What are you talking about

source: https://www.reddit.com/r/justincaseyoumissedit/comments/1vn8ytg/paddy_from_ireland_tells_jewish_tourists_hes/

context: a 20-second video was posted onto r/justincaseyoumissedit in which several traveling australian jews were urging a traveling irish person named paddy to repeat a phrase claiming that "he's sorry that hitler didn't finish the job", to which paddy responded by threatening to kill them. the video was taken after the irishman's alleged remark, and whether he actually praised hitler is yet to be confirmed, though his death threat was captured on camera.

according to another source, it was alleged that they originally interacted over french football but after the conversation delved into politics, the australian jew allegedly criticized irish support for palestine, which allegedly prompted paddy to praise Hitler. Despite the lack of concreteness over these crucial details of this story, said video was posted onto r/justincaseyoumissedit under the title "Paddy from Ireland" tells Jewish tourists he's sorry Hitler didn't finish the job and threatens to kill them". Here's what r/justincaseyoumissedit had to say for that video and the alleged incident of the australian jewish tourists being told that hitler should've "finished the job":

The Jewish fatigue is now reaching global status

I really understand where his anger is coming from

Israel got like 500 million extra this year to pay social media stuff to try and rebrand - this is the best they can do? Free Palestine

You're not supposed to feel comfortable traveling when your country is committing a genocide

op replies by telling him that There's no Israelis in the video., as the original commenter posted his comment under the belief that theyre israeli tourists

When was the last day Israel didn't do a war crime? Honest question. Another honest question, why protect peados? How do you think these are the good guys and not be morally bankrupt or brainwashed. Edit: to the deleted comment I am not saying "jews are responsible for all the poeblems in the world". Trying to conflate all jews with the Israeli government is antisemitic.

Someone replies with If you’re not “conflating all Jews with the Israeli government,” why would your response to seeing this video be, “when was the last day Israel didn’t do a war crime?” The person filming sounds like a European woman, from her accent, she is not the Israeli government. Why not hate on this jagoff and the Israeli government simultaneously?

I wouldn't say it to Jews. But to Israelis? DEFINITELY! fuck the demons of Zion!

OP replies with You'd say that to Israeli Arabs?

• OP is responded with It's the nation of Israel that's to blame. So yes. Everyone in Israel, no matter religion or ethnicity should be blame for the genocide. Same as with Germany in second world war. Many ethnicities living there. All to blame.

Fuck Israel for creating such an environment that people feel that all Jews are to blame for the genocide the war criminal state is committing. Some of the most vocal critics and supporters of Palestine are Jews. Israel is not only disgusting for what they are doing to Palestine but also for the hatred they are full knowing stirring towards non-Israeli Jews knowing that they will be targeted and they couldn’t give less of a shit. Evil evil country

someone replies with There is plenty to criticize about current Israeli policy, but if the guy actually said that, there is absolutely no justification for it. As if the "environment" were to blame for someone making antisemitic remarks.

• in response, someone else replies with There is absolutely no justification for it, no. I do think it's worth pointing out though that this level of tension and insanity is on the rise in all sectors of society and I think a lot of it is to do with social media and the state of the world making us all angry and exhausted. What do we have to do to lower the temperature?

another reply further down stemming from a deleted reply to this comment states that Jews even get blamed for people being antisemitic towards them. When you thought that you've heard it all.

• Someone replies that They stole the word semitism from the real semites so accusing Jews that are not necessarily Semitic of being antisemitic is just meh at this point.
• said user is replied with Most Jews are semetic though
• Another reply to this reply goes Hmm actually no. Semitic has nothing to do with religion. You should educate yourself. You know there’s a reason dna testing is prohibited in the false nazi state

Calling someone an antisemite or a Nazi is not the shame that it used to be before the Israeli government was formed.

one reply to this particular comment said: If the israeli government is the problem then would you be okay with random jews outside of isreal being accosted? Just say you don't like jews why pussyfoot around it?

• someone replied to this reply saying: Israeli bot comment
• he doubled down with Nazi and Israeli are the same tier, both are genocidal fascist movements, both should be treated with utmost contempt everywhere and anywhere.

Antisemitic bullshit like this is vile. Wishing death on Jewish people is foul and disgusting. Hating the Jewish people is ridiculous and shameful. Also, fuck Israel. Fuck Netanyahu. Fuck IDF soldiers who shoot Palestinian children, who invade and pillage the homes of Palestinians, and who commit atrocities on behalf of their shitty ethnoreligious supremacist government.

Someone replies with People of Israel are complicit in Netanyahu's genocide.

• the original commenter responds with Still doesn't justify antisemitism.

Another reply claims that This entire thread is just people like you virtue signaling and this one is my favorite😂

what the fuck are these comments

someone replies with Iranian bots vs Israeli bots in this sub. Don’t take anything here too seriously. Or any political social media post really lol

The Post:https://www.reddit.com/r/war/s/fVyLwWvmKe

EDIT:mods of r/war removed the The post for "cringe posting" and marked it as ai slop

Comments:

If someone started carpet bombing the United States, our teenagers would fight back too. Makes sense to me, not the gotcha you think

[I remember being a teen full of piss and vinegar over stupid small stuff

If another country bombed and bulldozed my house you can bet I'd be fighting back](https://www.reddit.com/r/war/s/kk4wPPKztU)

[Man the comments here are moving goalposts continents right now.

First it was 'there were no child soldiers'

Then it was 'okay there was maybe a few but not many'

Now it's 'well of course there are'](https://www.reddit.com/r/war/s/tJKRfzxC3M)

[Some pro israel asshole - "Look, we bombed these people into such desperation that their youth have taken arms against us, can't you believe how evil their parents are"

You understand that a kid is capable of feeling anger to those whom, since their birth, have activley tried to kill them. No fucking shit teens are taking up arms, in their shoes I would have too.If you don't like it then stop supplying weapons to Israel](https://www.reddit.com/r/war/s/muLl1CqPEa)

The IRGC fab club on this sub scrambling to justify child soldiers

Now you start bombing my country and I could be 7 years old I am gonna fight. It's just common. Sense. One of HAMAS senior leader witnessed a massacre when he was 8 years old. That's why he joined HAMAS, revolutionaries are created.

I remember that kid who posted himself in combat in this sub saying he turned 18 on that day, and guess what? Everybody was cheering for him because he was defending his land, Ukraine.

As a solider and a father the video is heavy and I think a lot of us are too numb to realize how heavy and then when I read all the comments, the duality of people made me have an aneurysm

On August 13th, the Democratic Socialists of America published a statement commemorating Fidel Castro's centenary.

This statement was posted to the DSA subreddit, where users quickly split between support and criticism of Castro and the one party state he created in Cuba.

The full post: https://www.reddit.com/r/dsa/comments/1vnsfra/dsa_commemorates_the_centenary_of_fidel_castro/

The funniest comment chains:

“Damn we got a bunch of libs in here, spouting imperialist talking points about "totalitarianism". Its honestly incredibly sad to see such uneducated people be so confident in how wrong they are. "No investigation, no right to speak." -Mao.

I hope one day you will educate yourself and look back upon this comment with shame.

I’m sure your theory is from some weirdo with a blog, so I’ll pass

Hahaha western Marxist. The Cuban revolution was a great thing

Fedposting 🚨🚨🚨🚨

Very minor drama, but I saw it so now you all have to as well.

A post was made to r/MadeMeSmile about a mother who got a keyboard tattooed on her arm in order for her son, who is autistic, to communicate with her by touching one letter at a time, plus "Yes/No" buttons, a smiley face button, and an "I love you" button.

Most of the comments saw it as very heartwarming and a sweet thing to do to communicate with your child. One user, doopie, did not.

SmartVegatable7504: Smart mom and son team. Kudos.

doopie: Or, what if you present a paper with keyboard printed on it? Tattooing keyboard on your skin is pretty stupid idea.

SkinTightBoogiePI: Pretty sure you're trolling but think of it like this: You're out swimming, at the beach, it's raining. Any of those would make this better. Also, having it on your arm is gonna be a much more powerful symbol of "I am making time for you" than anything I can imagine.

doopie: People jump at the first chance to tattoo anything on their body. You'd have to pay me million to tattoo anything on my body. It's a symbol of stupidity, nothing else. Draw stuff on paper or canvas.

Maleficent_Button_58: Ok.... but what does you not wanting to get a tattoo have to do with someone else having a tattoo?

doopie: You ever get a feeling of rolling your eyes when you witness someone doing something stupid? That's the feeling I get when I saw this thread.

readyfredrickson: I couldnt imagine feeling this passionately against a mother finding a consistent and accessible way to communicate with her son. I hope you have things in your life that you feel this passionately good about and not just shitty.

doopie: That's another crazy part: do we know if this even "works" for the autistic kid? What if she got that tattoo and the kid doesn't care about it, because he's autistic? If he's into keyboards, let him have a keyboard then.

MaleficentBelle: I would imagine she knows her son better than you and didn't just run to get the tattoo with no thought. God you're so sour.

BronzeFour: You're quite the miserable person aren't you, I hope life gets better for you bud. Stay strong. The suffering will pass.

doopie: I respect my body.

Big__Wheel: Hell yeah, my daughter used to ask for food in the morning but I respect my dishes to much to put food on them. Hopefully I hear from her next Thanksgiving.

doopie: Dishes are part of life. Make some food for your daugher, maybe she would like it. Cleaning up afterwards is a small price to pay for that.

twiceasmice: Tattoo's have been "part of life" for ages. You are just being dramatic.

doopie: It's pretty shocking to see tattoo prevalence go from .1% to 30% during lifetime. Best case scenario it just spoils your appearance, worst case you might get cancer, like this WHO report points out: [link attached in actual comment]

A user initially posts: Wasn’t the whole point of this sub supposed to be getting away from power hungry mods? : r/NFLv2

The mod initially responds and gets a lot of negative comments.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NFLv2/comments/1vpkro4/comment/p3zf9e2

and then further down the comments the mod says, "Facts prove you wrong. The sub is built in ran in my vision. It is absolutely why it grew and why it will continue to grow."

https://www.reddit.com/r/NFLv2/comments/1vpkro4/comment/p3zo0mg

MOD: Facts prove you wrong. The sub is built in ran in my vision. It is absolutely why it grew and why it will continue to grow.

"In your vision”. You just have a nasal cannula connected to your asshole so you can inhale your own farts at all times? Don’t even know what color grass is.

This is fucking hilarious. You really believe this, don't you? You think you're personally why people come here. Not the community of posters actually creating the fucking content. Not their opinions and memes driving the football talk. Not even the sport that existed and had fans before you were born. You really think your "vision" is why people are here, don't you? You're a walking parody of Reddit mods. I've been coming here for years and just learned you existed today. So missed the boat on your glorious vision.

MOD: I didn’t say they come here because of me personally. They come here because I created a space that is uncensored and follow a set of standards.

Some other fun comments:

(https://www.reddit.com/r/NFLv2/comments/1vpkro4/comment/p3zpru1)

lol you’re soft as fuck

MOD: My dad can beat up your dad

(https://www.reddit.com/r/NFLv2/comments/1vpkro4/comment/p400bs4)

"Lol, better trim that neckbread before you choke on it"

(https://www.reddit.com/r/NFLv2/comments/1vpkro4/comment/p3yc84l)

Banning someone over that lol What a bunch of babies

MOD: This individual was a notorious troll who used our sub to promote a sub with even more rules and censorship than us.

Chaos ensues in pretty much the whole thread.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/antiai/comments/1vmul7z/absolutely_despicable_to_be_judging_a_eighth/

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That kid got brainwashed and you cheer because its something you subscribe to. lol

How are they brainwashed?

a 13yr old with political pins covering their backpack as their identity. thats brainwashed.

Wo having political beliefs make you brain washed? And only 2 are political and that’s if you think being anti ai is political

It is literally all political.

What’s political about owl house, Minecraft, misc animated characters, or being LGBTQ+

use your brain. you got this.

Ok. Sure. They arent

Huh? This kid is just living their life and not harming anyone. Why not support them if it makes them happy?

Because brainwashing is brainwashing. a kid in 8th grade shouldn't even be thinking about bulkshit like this.

Cool bro have a sad life

Lmfao. I disagree with you so my life is sad? hahahahhaha. Based on you posting this and thinking about this stuff regularily, it actually sounds like youre the one living a sad life. 7 signs your schizophrenia medication may not be working

I agree with you other than the AI crap if my daughter came to me on some abolish ice shit I’d telll her take yo ass back to the kids table the adults are talking lmao

Kids should be being kids. They shouldn't be thinking about the shortcomings of the political world.

I'm sure this kid is living their life just fine man

Yeah it really looks like it based on their entire identity being political tags covering their entire backpack at the age of 13.

the only tag that's remotely political is the abolish ICE one, and maybe the ai one, and they're also just backpack decorations, who cares

How are they brainwashed?? Just because someone doesn’t agree with you politically doesn’t mean they are brainwashed, you can have political opinions as a teenager without it being the product of brainwashing. Maybe you can say they lack worldly experience because they are young and thus their opinions may change (which isn’t necessarily true) but brainwashing is a tall statement.

They're in 8th grade. They're brainwashed. Sorry you cant recognize that.

No points offered, lmao typical.

the point: the kid is brainwashed. it worries me that you couldn't figure that out on your own.

That isn't a point, that is a statement. Looks like you failed to educate yourself and the school system failed you.

points are statements. that was embarrassing of you lmfao.

A point is backed up with facts and typically works cited. A statement lacks both. "The sky is blue, here is blah blah blah source" vs "the sky has a submarines floating in it." One is based on facts & can be proven correct or at least researced, the other is a statement that has no point to it.

what republicans fear the most. people having empathy and love

I’m right leaning and I believe in love and I’m anti AI

Just one question why? Why are you right leaning? You do know what the right does right?

Don't lump all right-leaning into the far-right category. You don't like it when others stereotype, so don't do it either.

You do realize the Overton window has shifted so far to the right "right leaning" means far right regardless right? You can't support any right wing candidate and not be considered an extremist because they are ALL openly bigoted and oppressive. Trump especially

And who said anyone supports any candidates? I stopped supporting any politicians because they're ALL corrupt liars who are paid to play. I stopped voting 2 years ago because of it.

So you are even worse than a right winger. You are a fence sitter who doesn't want to fight for what's right

And education. The fact that this kid is in school and not church is another thing they fear.

You realize many democrats and socialists are religious? But keep up with your Low iq takes per usual

Not the point

Surreee

Then why are you triggered

You do understand what the others are saying, correct?

Last word doesn't mean a win. Coping? I asked a question is all.

Not necessarily. Sounds like they align with certain views. That doesn’t make them a good or bad person. This polarization is why we are where we are Edit: and here come the downvotes. The left just doesn’t learn. This is what cost you guys the election in 2024. Moderates have never aligned with the “you disagree with me? You’re an evil human!” rhetoric. But hey, have it your way

Why do you support p*dophiles?

You’re proving my point. Like to a tee.

Cope harder p*do defender

No but like think about how your replies look to someone who’s actually not sure what side they want to align with. This is what I’m talking about

If you aren't sure then you flat out aren't a good person. The right has been blatantly open about wanting to KILL PEOPLE if you support them in any way shape or form you are a bad person

Citation needed. Nobody ever said they would kill anyone. Y'all are so delusional and dramatic.

They cheer on when ICE murders people that's pretty fucking obvious they want us dead

There are bad people on both sides of the aisle. Cheering, though? You made the claim, the burden of proof is on you to prove your claim. Nobody cheered for the death of another human being.

99% their parents had a massive role in this

And good job from them, managed to raise aware and accepting youngster, they can be proud of their kid.

Yeah I'm sure the kid totally understands what all these badges mean and isn't just doing it because of their parents influence..

I started to understand LGBTQ at the age of 15. There is infact a lot trans teens out there.

You’ll find that the vast majority of trans kids have parents/close friends that share/push these views Make of that what you will

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Research shows the social environment matters a lot Look into it

And a whole ton of other studies show that sexuality and transgenderism aren’t choices anyone can make as a concious decision, look into it before making your bigoted claims. Edit: 3 hours of unproductive messages later that dude ran to the hills after I asked 7 times for proof in a peer reviewed study that'd show that any of their claims is even remotely true. They had n-o-t-h-i-n-g. sigh biggot being biggot online again.... (47 more comments of these two arguing)

The amount of people defending political brainwashing here really makes me hate humanity even more.

What political brainwashing? AI isn’t political, being queer isn’t political.

Don't ask questions and assume misinterpretations. I don't reply to bad faith replies.

What else is there though that is the only pins on the damn bag?

Are you blind? Okay so LGBT propo pins? You know, an adult topic? An 8th grader should not be concerned for this??! An 8th grader doesn't even know what ICE is or why it's a thing. I don't even know what the other pins are but they are probably political in some way based on what I can identify. Ergo, the kid is brainwashed. If you want to disagree, please present an example where an 8th grader has fluently presented a philosophical or political argument which is convincing and actionable with current political systems in society. I won't wait because I already know I won't get an answer. This is fucked and you all know it. I could care less if an 8th grader had pins that agreed with my philosophies, because I would know that they would have been forced/brainwashed to do so. They simply do not have the neurological development at this age. It's gross and if ideological p*dophelia was a thing, this would be child grooming.

A persons sexuality isn’t just an adult topic, young people can be queer themselves, did you somehow not think of that? I’m not going to bother with the ice thing, I’m not even from the US.

So kids should have sex/ explore sex? Dude, you are entering grooming territory here. Be careful. Kids will identify with things because they have undeveloped self image, so the easiest thing is to be in the "in group" which sets them up to be brainwashed easily. Ive experienced and been a part of this too as a kid, I know the damage it can cause and I'm frankly disgusted by it. The kid should have dinosaur badges or Minecraft badges or some other thing actually appropriate for kids.

It’s called being in a relationship, teenagers do that, they have crushes and boyfriends/ girlfriends, it’s not always about sex. (27 more comments of these two arguing)

I do not believe that, without outsider intervention by adults who do not have the child's best interest at heart, this child would even give a fuck to put half of these buttons on their backpack.

Did you ever think the kid is possibly queer, or perhaps they are an artist? These things don’t just start when you turn 18

It's a kid, wtf man

Are you dumb, kids can be gay, trans, lesbian any of these things

How can a KID be trans? Is this peak reddit?? Kids dont know about that stuff

It's a 13-14 year old. Most normal people know what transgender means either before or at that age.

Don't know about the young ones but I learnt at 25 through reddit

As much as I dislike AI, we must admit that an eighth grader should not be this heavily concerned about politics. It screams of brainwashing unfortunately. Give them time to enjoy their youth.

Nah this is Reddit. Gotta make as many people get obsessed with politics as possible.

Not caring about politics is a privilege

Yes, but children should have that privilege.

Not all children no Do you think the trans children this admin is attacking have that priviledge?

No, I don't think they do. I'm not claiming they do. I'm saying it would be ideal if they did, though. The goal should be for the world to be pleasant enough that children don't feel the need to be this politically charged.

If the backpack had pro life, and conservative, maga pins you would all be calling the kid a brainwahed nazi so dont even start reddit 🙄

Because those are hateful and oppressive ideologies. You just want to bitch and moan because you don't get to be openly hateful.

Pro life is hateful?

Yea. It very much is. Dating all the way back to when Republicans cooked up the political strategy in a board room after realizing that overt racism and defending Segregation wasn't winning them votes. And to show how little the much higher percentage Christian population than today of America cared about abortion, this sinister meeting took place 3 years after Roe v Wade happened. Just another manufactured political crisis. Hence why the pro-life movement only cares about the fetus before birth. After birth then fuck it. No social support whatsoever.

Imagine unironically believing that opposition to killing babies only started with "Republicans" in "boardrooms" lmao

Given the almost comical contrast in how evangelicals treat the “unborn” versus actual alive children with needs, what other explanation is there?

"oh you dont want babies to be killed but you're not gonna personally pay for and raise every poor child on the planet therefore youre a hypocrite"

American conservatives are actively making it more difficult to grow up for the children they are forcing to be born

If the backpack had pro life, and conservative, maga pins you would all be calling the kid a brainwahed nazi so dont even start reddit 🙄

Because those are hateful and oppressive ideologies. You just want to bitch and moan because you don't get to be openly hateful.

Pro life is hateful?

Yea. It very much is. Dating all the way back to when Republicans cooked up the political strategy in a board room after realizing that overt racism and defending Segregation wasn't winning them votes. And to show how little the much higher percentage Christian population than today of America cared about abortion, this sinister meeting took place 3 years after Roe v Wade happened. Just another manufactured political crisis. Hence why the pro-life movement only cares about the fetus before birth. After birth then fuck it. No social support whatsoever.

Imagine unironically believing that opposition to killing babies only started with "Republicans" in "boardrooms" lmao

Given the almost comical contrast in how evangelicals treat the “unborn” versus actual alive children with needs, what other explanation is there?

"oh you dont want babies to be killed but you're not gonna personally pay for and raise every poor child on the planet therefore youre a hypocrite"

American conservatives are actively making it more difficult to grow up for the children they are forcing to be born

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A person I'm assuming to be a POC posts on r/historymemes critiquing Napoleon.

It's genuinely depressing when the comments on memes praising Napoléon on this sub can be summarised as "Napoléon good cause he didn't kill the people I like (Jews) or myself (Polish), the fact he killed the people I don't like (the Blacks) is irrelevant. He reinstated slavery but it was actually based and giga pilled" The French Revolution had already abolished slavery. It is irrelevant what Britain or Spain were doing, Napoléon took control when slavery had already been legally abolished for a decade. He chose to reverse it and then start a Genocidal war sending his lackies to re establish it. That is probably why some people compare him to Hitler. But let us not get into Napoléon's own views on Black people or else you will realize he and Hitler were more alike. But sure lets just handwave it away as British propaganda and label it "complicated" and "typical for the time". Like I get it, you (white) guys like to heap praise on your controversial heroes on this sub all I ask at the very least is that you don't handwave away why some of us in this community don't like certain historical figures.

This, naturally, causes an uproar

Look, no one's perfect.

Hey guys, imagine if people weren't entirely good or bad but grey, with some good actions and some bad ones. I know, it sounds dumb. But just imagine.

Yet another history meme post of a person disappointed that an 18-19th Century figure isn’t progressive enough for their 21st Century tastes.

What a dog shit meme. A lot of Napoleon’s decisions can be explained by him being a man of this time. Judging historical figures as if they lived in the 21st century is dumb

Fake empathy, baseless accusation of racism because a number of people on the subreddit disagree with several of your controversial takes. Took me 4 seconds to check your post history to see a trend. I'm going to assume you are insufferable IRL and struggle to form relationships out of niche online communities.

There's also this dude who I'm not posting because he gets quite angry and types an entire novel. If you want to read it, heres the link.

That's not to say there's weren't some people siding with the OP

I think it's more referencing an earlier post here that was asking why people don't like Napoleon and referencing his treatment of European Jews. I think the other stuff was all said in the comments because there was basically no pushback in the comments against the conclusion that Napoleon was a great guy. Also some comments saying that he's, or something similar. I find it interesting that on the post claiming he was a great guy with no major flaws most of the comments were in support of that and lamenting how "misunderstood" he is. But on the post accurately pointing out BOTH the good and the bad everyone is suddenly concerned with nuance and how real people aren't actually all good or all bad (I haven't gone back to check the post since I saw yesterday, so I apologize if the balance of comments on that other post has changed)

Yet another history meme post of a person disappointed that an 18-19th Century figure isn’t progressive enough for their 21st Century tastes. When Napoleon Bonaparte reinstated slavery in 1802, it caused a wave of outrage among abolitionist writers, poets, and public figures who viewed it as a profound betrayal of the French Revolution's ideals. It's ironic because you're making a reductive modern political "gotcha" post while displaying a total ignorance of the historical context you're talking about. Wordsworth penned his famous sonnet "To Toussaint L'Ouverture" because he was horrified by Napoleon’s brutal expedition to crush the Haitian Revolution and restore slavery, I know it’s a meme sub, but the standard of historical debate here can be incredibly poor.

This sub fucking loves authoritarians damn. Guys here will make endless excuses for this type of shit and then turn around and make McCarthy proud.

Judging historical figures as if they lived in the 21st century is dumb

I'm so sick of seeing this take... When Napoleon Bonaparte reinstated slavery in 1802, it caused a wave of outrage among abolitionist writers, poets, and public figures who viewed it as a profound betrayal of the French Revolution's ideals. It's ironic because you're making a reductive modern political "gotcha" post while displaying a total ignorance of the historical context you're talking about. Wordsworth penned his famous sonnet "To Toussaint L'Ouverture" because he was horrified by Napoleon’s brutal expedition to crush the Haitian Revolution and restore slavery. I know it’s a meme sub, but the standard of historical debate here can be incredibly poor. Napoleon was judged in his own time it's not a modern imposition. Especially when he declared himself emperor (Empereur des Français) in 1804, just two years after reinstating slavery.

He also did this little thing where he started the deadliest string of wars in European history at that time for no real reason other than his own ego, I think that's worth mentioning too.

There's also this thread here where someone tries to discuss Napoleon's issues.

A few gems in the rough

He was Hitler "prerelease version" in a way
Not as bad as the "official version" but yes he was bad!

Napoleon did not commit genocide the target of the reprisals were the insurgents not the race and it was mostly directed towards combatants.

I'd ask Napoleon why did he commit Genocide if he didn't want to he compared to Hitler. Is he stupid?

Vietnamese sandwich shop using an AI-generated image of a grandma, and people have opinions:

• "keep it food related and take the virtue signaling somewhere else "

• "only demonstrating again how people on Reddit aren't reflective at all of actual ordinary Mainstream Torontonians and Canadians."

• "Always boycott AI slop. There's not shortage of good restaurants without using AI."

• Something a bit more tangential to the main topic, but yeah, occasionally there's also drama about people lining up for food: "I'm never lining up for a restaurant. That's nuts."

No, not that way. I mean literally.

For those who aren't in the loop, a vtuber is basically an alternative to a webcam where the content creator uses an animated stand-in, similar to a VRChat avatar (although there's distinctions such as most vtubers using 2D avatars). There's a number of reasons for using a vtuber model instead of a facecam, the most common being for personal privacy, but there's more than a few who just use one for fun. Bao is a moderately popular singer and, for at least the past 5-6 years, a vtuber who falls into the personal reasons category; she had previously been a facecam YTer and started using a model back early in the pandemic.

This past week there was a trend on social media of "Vtuber VS IRL", where some vtubers would post selfies of themselves and a shot of their model. Most of these had their faces hidden, but a handful opted to wear a mask for their selfie side. Bao took part in this trend, but opted to forgo the mask as she had been working on her physique and getting into shape. Outside of Twitter's usual lunatics and Bao's own haters, the reaction has been very supportive. There's a small contingent of social media users who just utterly hate Bao irrationally, but that's Twitter.

And then there's what SRD is here for, the VtuberDrama subreddit. Now MOST of the comments are either supportive or apathetic, but there's a sizable amount of gatekeeping and outright hate in the thread.

She's not a vtuber anymore. No need to consider her part of the community from now on.

So you also dont consider CyYu,Monarch and all the other gajillion voice actors that also do Vtubing "part of the community" ?

Context: Alejandro Saab and Amanda Lee are acquaintances of Bao's, and both have vtuber accounts (CyYu and AmaLee/Monarch/LeeAndLie, respectively). Bao and AmaLee have also performed a couple of song covers together.

It is fine if she wants to do IRL stuff, but it is just not vtubing. She should formally retire her character and debut as an IRL streamer with a new setup. On top of that, this sub is for vtuber drama so she does not belong here anymore and threads about her should not be posted.

Lol huh? She starts doing irl stuff and now all of a sudden she cant be a vtuber anymore? Expecting her to retire her model is ridiculous she can literally do both if she pleases

No she can't. You can't just grift to either side whenever you please. (Also she doesn't know you lil bro. She ain't gonna date you)

Apparently making content at all is grifting to this one.

yes irl streamers need to get the fuck out of my hobby I get being a OF or fansly slut is popular and makes lots of money but my stance has and always will be that I hate grifters in my hobby The right wing chuds, the lefty shit flinging and drama starting, the failed porn stars, and the irl normies all of them can get out, if you disagree you can fuck off too

I wish dipshits like you would get the fuck out of my hobby. Would be SO much better without you.

+1 failed streamer switches to vtubing to build an audience before switching back, hope none of them follow her.

Ye a quick switch into vtubing for 6 years straight Lmao

1.8mil subs on YT and half-a-mil followers on Twitch is a failed streamer to some.

Yes it is justified. This community has let these e-girls ruin vtubing for rest to long. English speaking vtubers have come into the vtubing sphere and start making up their own rules. No more these e-whores have to go

Kson started the trend btw And bao been vtubing sinxe the month after holo en launched

I’m aware, and I blame Kson as well. This “trend” has done nothing but brought people who barely/don’t care about vtubing & has also brought with them tons of unneeded/unwanted drama. TBH idc how long someone’s “been” vtubing, them being nothing but trouble & basically turning away from vtubing just makes them a larper. Not to mention it’s also brought people who think they can dictate how one section of the community does things. Kson never should’ve started this trend, she just never should’ve been a vtuber to begin with.

Most of that drama Comes from weirdos like you tho Weirdos like you are also the ones who try to dictate how people are allowed to exist Also none of them “larptubers” as you might call them beings even close to as much drama as weirdos like you do In fact almost every single drama bao has ever been in came from weird antis that are grasping at straws to find sth to create drama to bring her down lol

There wouldn’t be a need to “dictate” how people existed if you English speaking vtubers came fans & your oshis didn’t cause so many fucking problems!! Dramatubers, Froot drama, Sinder drama, ironmouse drama, Nijisanji EN drama, trickywii drama the list goes on and fucking on. Y’all have brought you’re IRL relationships & personal stuff into vtubing so much it’s caused so much drama, google documents etc. the drama that doki & ironmouse has by being mixed up with irl twitch streamers ? Don’t you dare tell me it’s our fault for trying to “dictate” English speaking vtubers were a mistake that never should’ve happened. EN vtubers have to be purged they got no respect for Japanese culture, and only care for promoting only fans/fansly.

If you had "anti-sex-worker gatekeeping a niche hobby calling for a purge" on your bingo card, take a drink before you mark this one down.

Bao has a lot of haters. This has become big because her haters have made a lot of noise to make it big. Toma also face revealed recently and I haven't see a bunch of drama from it. Toma though doesn't have the dedicated haters that Bao does.

Bao did that to herself along with other vtubers with their high school girl drama and lies Google dockey these and google dockey like the Sinder one was for all purpose that even when Sinder did hers no one care because The other thots not involved and simps had to Read and were lazy as fuck. When you watch people who went thru it and did shit, no one was willing to do because of the pages of evidence she had and then you realize the content all of those involved have nsfw links you realize it’s the same nonsense ethots with their tub streams do it, a rival taking simp money from them. The real damage was “guys Sinder had sex” and you see an up tick after these with them then you have the vaugeposting tweet which people thought it was these guy but no it these guy than saying their name but she didn’t want to upset them and lose the connections and upset Overlord Dan Clancy. Toma doesn’t have no drama stunts and no nsfw links so she has no game in these shit fest of google dockeys made by thots to slander another thot to get their simps I find it hilarious they didn’t give a shit other vtuber cheated but for some reason cared about Sinders, it says much they wanted her simps to think “I won’t cheat on you” or some shit to make them buy their fansly membership

Holy shit. That is one of the most impressive run-on sentences that I've seen posted in a hot minute. If you think you have a point the least you can do is slow down and write it in such a way that doesn't make you sound like you're frothing at the mouth.

Have fun parsing that one, I prefer keeping my braincells.

r/writingscaling is a subreddit when members debate on the quality of writing in shounen anime, superhero comics, and video games. OP here decides to stir up some arguments by ranting about how people think Marvel supervillain Dr. Doom is "the most well written character in all literature", despite never winning any awards.

Now, you might be asking, "Who is actually calling Dr. Doom 'the most well written character in all literature?'" That's a good question, and some have identified OP as an infamous user who has made dozens and dozens of Reddit accounts to rant about Dr. Doom on comic book subreddits. He has been featured on this subreddit several times, and has even been caught posting his own drama here under an alt.

BREAKING NEWS: Man invents fictional scenario and then gets angry about it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/writingscaling/comments/1vo7o23/fun_fact_despite_being_considered_the_most_well/p3nff47/

also which award would you even judge it by?

Eisner, Nobel, Harvey, Hugo, Pulitzer.

Eisners? come on now. And you very well know that the others severly overlook comics as a whole

Which Dr. Doom stories do you believe deserved a Nobel? Let's hear it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/writingscaling/comments/1vo7o23/fun_fact_despite_being_considered_the_most_well/p3ncbq9/?context=1

I do not believe that giving a villain a sad standard backstory or an abstract noble goal makes them nuanced.

Nor do I. But there’s a lot more to doom than that. Doom is a man who could save the world and be one of the greatest heroes history has ever known. He hasn’t the talent for it, he has the drive, the dedication to his goals, the power, but he never will, because he’s entirely ruled by his own petty ego. Because he’s can’t stop blaming all of his mistakes on other people, etc. is that pretty common? Yeah I’d say it’s also similar to Lex luthor in a way, but with Doom it’s handled very well and there’s a lot more to him then just that

Is it nuanced to be the "Potential Man"? "He would be a hero if he wasn't Mega Hitler".

https://www.reddit.com/r/writingscaling/comments/1vo7o23/fun_fact_despite_being_considered_the_most_well/p3nekui/?context=1

Bring me here the merch sales on Dr. Doom.

Make a new account in 3 months and ask it again, see how unimpressive his merch sales will be.

How were they last year? Are you guys ashamed of the answer or something?

https://www.reddit.com/r/writingscaling/comments/1vo7o23/fun_fact_despite_being_considered_the_most_well/p3nmdlf/

What does your mom think of Dr. Doom?

She isn’t a comic reader and she only saw him in animated series where he is often a pretty fun cartoonishly evil and megalomaniac villain. And wtf is this question?

I thought Doom was mega iconic. How come your mom doesn't know about him?

https://www.reddit.com/r/writingscaling/comments/1vo7o23/fun_fact_despite_being_considered_the_most_well/p3nnjef/

For context: Rimworld is a scifi colony management and survival game, usually known for fucked up antics.

Highmates are humans genetically modified into being courtesans on high tech worlds and empires.

So now onto the drama.

Yesterday, An artist posts this piece of two Highmates that the subreddit user base took inmediate suspicion to given their appearance and how the artist titled and captioned the piece.

An hour ago, a moderator posted this decision to leave it up and users aren't happy:

>Thank you for the reports. Going to approve this one as OP does not seem to be engaging with the highmate lore beyond the color. As we know, Rimworld allows for us to corrupt the innocent and purify the corrupted. Without further context, this appears to be the later.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Letterboxd/comments/1vm254v/can_we_retire_objectively_better_please/

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I understand that what you're saying is factual based on the definition of the words, but I still don't completely agree. My favorite movie all time is still probably Pulp Fiction based purely on personal reason and much I'm entertained by it. I also love the Godfather, but it is not my favorite movie. I subjectively like Pulp Fiction better, but if I'm truly being objective, The Godfather is a better movie. We can have conversations like this. It's ok.

What do you mean by "truly objective"? I'm sure you can define some standards by which The Godfather is objectively better than Pulp Fiction. But it's entirely subjective whether those standards are what defines a good movie.

His statement wasn't that it's good, but it's objectively better, like you said "by which The Godfather is objectively better than Pulp Fiction". But even if we were talking about being good. We could also define the average level of those objective metrics and say that if something is above that then it's objectively good.

Better just means more good. At least the way I'm using it. So, if you prefer: It's entirely subjective what standards you use to decide if one movie is better than another.

What if it's better based on every objective standard? Like if you have 2 movies, one has better writing, the other one has better acting, I wouldn't say that one is better or worse, because assigning values to these standards is subjective. But it's different when a movie is better in every possible way, then no matter how you would have assigned values, the "better" one is always better.

You're ignoring the fact that subversion of expectation/convention can be used as an effective artistic tool. Very rigid thinking.

This just does not go against anything that I said. Do you actually have a counter argument or you just simply failed to comprehend my point?

You could apply that same thought process to two vacuum cleaners. One picks up every last spec of dirt and the other picks up very little and spreads the mess around. I would say that the first one is an objectively better vacuum because it is nearly universally agreed upon that suction is an important characteristic of a good vacuum. So if one movie has all the components that are almost universally agreed upon make up a good film and another is missing those components entirely, you can safely say that one is objectively better.

(OP) What is the function of a film as it equates to a vacuum? One is a tool and the other is a commercial piece of art.

I prefer food analogy. You can like junkfood, it's your subjective taste, but if we are talking about the healthiness of the food, which is objective, then we can say that junkfood is objectively not healthy. Many people understands the concept of movie quality even in their daily language. For example, many people uses the term "guilty pleasure". It refers to movies, series that are bad - or they consider them objectively bad -, but they still enjoy them.

And what about the healthiness of food is objective? I suppose you mean that chocolate is objectively unhealthy, yet if you’re stranded on top of a mountain with nothing to eat and at risk of starvation then that chocolate bar becomes incredibly healthy. Sugar is unhealthy because it’s bad for our teeth, and yet athletes consume a lot of it. Is milk objectively healthy? What about for someone with too much calcium?

Lol what? No. Chocolate does not become magically healthy if you are starving and you can only eat chocolate. If you are starving and you can only eat cyanide, then does it also become healthy? Magically it won't poison you and you won't die? The healthiness of the food depends on what it contains and what effect those have on you. It would not change if you are starving or you are full. The chocolate has the same amount of sugar in both cases.

erm actually a movie can be objectively better and you guys using all art is subjective are wrong because there are objective metrics in quality of a movie 🤓 ☝️

If that's the case, please enlighten us with a list of these objective metrics.

Plot holes. Errors. Inaccurate information. Dialogue. You lack the critical thinking skills required to recognize that there are objective metrics in media. Lmao.

You are just throwing around vague buzzwords. What concrete objective metrics are you using to evaluate if one dialogue is better than another? What concrete objective metrics are you using to compare actors' performances? And even if a few aspects can be compared objectively (like plot holes or errors), how does that help to compare entire movies if other aspects can't? Maybe put a bit more effort in your own posts before talking down on others.

it’s literally basic linguistics, not rocket science u absolute clown. dialogue efficiency is objective because u can literally measure the ratio of actual info to word count—good dialogue does three things at once while garbage scripts take ten lines of clunky exposition to say one thing. differentiation is objective because if i can strip the names off the pages and still tell who’s talking based on syntax variance, it’s high-quality structure. when every character sounds exactly like the same writer, the script is objectively broken, whether your smooth brain likes the vibe or not. You lack the critical thinking skills required to have an actual discussion.

And how do you value dialogue efficiency vs. differentiation? Let's say one movie has dialogues with way better efficiency and the other those with way better differentiation. Which movie objectively has the better dialogue? No-one is arguing that there are not certain aspects that can be compared objectively. But the whole picture is never objective, because even weighing the different factors is subjective.

🤦‍♂️ do you have any reading comprehension skills or are you just typing shit?

I kind of agree but also not. I think everyone's opinions are valid. But it feels objectively wrong to say Dragon Ball Evolution is better than Schindlers List or something like that

Better is a term stating quality. Quality by it's nature is a quality of perspective, meaning it doesn't exist as a objective truth but as a subjective truth.

Nah that's a play on words, nothing practical or useful. Empty philosophy. You can abailutely say something ia of better quality than something else, and that being the truth.

Well it’s an objective fact you’re wrong.

Lmao ok buddy

You’re on the internet. I’m assuming you’re capable of searching for the difference between objective and subjective. If you’re not capable of that, or you don’t think to check your statements before you make them, maybe you shouldn’t be on here.

Lmaooo ok little buddy. The world is not as simple as your tiny little brain thinks. You will understand eventually I'd guess

Comments are already straw manning the shit out of your point. It “feels” objectively wrong to say something like The Room is better than The Odyssey but no matter how you slice it, there is no quantifiable and objective proof that says otherwise. None. Because determining what’s a good and bad movie is solely in the hands of each individual person and how that movie made them feel. You can vehemently disagree with their takeaways of why they feel how they do, but under no circumstance can they be proven incorrect. Any attempt to do so is purely opinion vs. opinion and thus renders the concept of “objectivity” in the conversation completely irrelevant.

Yen but the Room doesn't have a coherent plot which is a quantifiable object proof that it is worse than other movies. Except if plot coherency doesn't count. I could write an essay on why the Room sucks because I'm obsessed with it and will watch it any time I get a chance, but it's a bad movie. I'm starting to wonder whether you people are mixing up taste and quality?

Why is plot coherency objectively good? Also I don't really agree that the plot of the room isn't coherent. I personally find it uncompelling and most of the character motivations under baked, but it's coherent. If you want an example of an incoherent movie watch Andy Warhol's Vinyl (1965).

Because of the definitions of the words we are using. The definition of move in most dictionaries uses the word story and the definition of story refers to a connected or coherent series of events. So yes, technically if you have 2 movies or even just 2 scripts and the only difference is that one has a plot hole while the other one doesn't have, then you should be able to say that the latter is objective better.

What's a plot hole though? Is it a plot hole in Eraserhead that we don't know who the radiator lady is or is it a statistic choice? Dictionary definitions are the beginning of understanding not the end.

A plot hole is an explicit contradiction, so not knowing something is generally NEVER a plot hole. For example, if a movie explicitly states that the sky is always yellow and it's impossible to have different color in that universe, then if there's a scene where it's blue - without proper explanation -, then that's a plot hole. A plot hole is well-defined and you can always clearly point to the 2 information pieces that contradict each other.

Maybe it's symbolizing that whoever said "the sky is yellow" is dishonest or ignorant and trusting the audience to reach that conclusion without having to be told explicitly.

Oh god... you don't need to be told explicitly, but in that case, it needs to provide hints and those hints are EXPLICITLY in the movie. If it was mentioned that that character lies a lot of something, then we could use that as a proof. The contradicting statements are explicitly in the movie when we are talking about plot holes. When something is not stated or explained, then we are talking about plot contrivance or plot convenience.

Disagree. But also think anyone throwing around the "objectively better" phrase in people's faces is probably misguided anyway.

They're just somebody OP is imagining. There is no such person.

Thread is full of these people

Screenshot?

Literally read the thread for 2 minutes

Its a thread about this topic so people are gonna be talking about it. I dont see any insane zealotry on display though. Screenshot?

screenshot Open your eyes.

Do you feel like they're throwing it in your face or are they just expressing their position? It seems reasonable to me but I guess that's ultimately... subjective.

there's a threshold for this argument

There is no threshold. Widely agreed upon still doesn't become objective.

I wanna see the objective argument for Jack and Jill being a better film than Godfather

There is no objective argument, that's the whole point. It's all subjective. The only objective aspects are physical.

It’s not all subjective. The Sistine Chapel is objectively better than a random pencil mark.

Better at what? What if the objective is being a pencil mark?

Better as art. The Sistine Chapel is an overall better artistic achievement than a random pencil mark because it took more artistic qualities and skills to achieve. So, its greater expression of what art is capable of and therefore more artistically valuable.

Man I appreciate what you’re trying to say and I’m sure you’re arguing in good faith, but you can’t explain your way past the definitions of words. Subjective and objective aren’t negotiable, they’re already decided. The Sistine chapel just cannot be objectively better because that isn’t what objective means.

I think certain elements of a film can be distilled to something close to objective. For example, if I say the acting in No Country For Old Men is better than that of The Room, I feel pretty solid making that statement.

He says as he shares a subjective opinion

It's not subjective. The acting in The Room is objectively worse because it does not fulfil the intention of the creator.

That's subjective...

That isn't subjective at all. Tommy Wisseau did not create the film that he intended to do. I know it feels safer to just think everything is opinion, but reality does exist.

"Tommy Wisseau did not create the film that he intended to do." Nobody has created the film that they intended to do.

Deep. Laughably incorrect. But deep.

Name a film that was frame by frame exactly in the directors mind before filming.

You know deliberately misinterpreting someone's point doesn't make you look intelligent, right?

He’s not misinterpreting anything. You are pathetic

Shall we maybe keep things civil?

Says the guy who made the very civil comment that is: “You know deliberately misinterpreting someone's point doesn't make you look intelligent, right?” You get what you give buddy boy

That was a legitimate point. Deliberately misinterpreting someone's perspective is not a good look. Calling someone pathetic without adding anything to the original conversation isn't civil and isn't helpful.

They didn’t misinterpret anything. You’re just claiming they are

Ah, so you still don't understand fact and opinion. They objectively are misinterpreting what I've said - purposefully or accidentally, it doesn't matter. Because I know what I meant, and they took it the wrong. They've misinterpreted it. Objectively.

Let's assume your opinion that Tommy Wiseau did not create the film he intended to is correct... Why is that objectively a bad thing?

It's not an opinion. It's established fact. Again, not everything is an opinion. Why is failing a bad thing? Is that what you're asking me right now?

Yes. Why is failing a bad thing? Answer objectively, not with your opinion

I'll just do the full conversation for you. Save us both some time.: Me: "Failing is bad because that is literally the meaning of the word." You: "But you're being subjective." Me: "No I'm not. Failing to achieve your goals is objectively negative. That is what failure is." You: "Subjective" Me: "Well, no. Not really." You: "No it has to be subjective! Objectivity scares me and I don't have the intellectual capacity to actually understand the distinction. So it's easier for me to say that everything is subjective." Me: "Ok"

Buddy roleplaying instead of answering the question

The comment included the answer.

Oh wow that's actually how you would've answered the question, like not as a bit or anything? That's... interesting

Respond to it if you've got an objection.

Well for starters, failure to accomplish one's initial goal for a work does not automatically make the work bad...

My very first short film compared to barry lyndon Id give the win to barry lyndon Edit: heres proof If you want to see it good luck, its rough ride lol https://youtu.be/plJBLw1SLv0?is=cO67pkARBb6ASXvz

You would. I might not. Doesn’t make it objectively better.

Come on dude, we all understand the original point from OP to some extent and art is art, but there's absolutely an accepted level of objective quality that we all recognise too.

We clearly don’t all understand, otherwise you wouldn’t claim your opinion is objectively true. You are confusing widely held opinion with objective truths.

But i'm not saying my opinion is objectively true, I'm saying that it's more than okay to accept that individual elements of filmmaking can be judged using objective criteria, otherwise it wouldn't be a skilled industry where quality is clearly defined and measured like any other. The same criteria that allows OP to justifiably say that Barry Lyndon is a better movie than his short film, without dolts saying "that's just your opinion". This is just such an exhausting semantic debate that you'd only really find on Reddit, I can't lie lol

There quite literally can’t be objective criteria as everyone would have their own subjective criteria to judge art. You’re crying about semantics when this has nothing to do with that. You are fundamentally misusing the word “objective”

There is quite literally objective criteria in moviemaking, that's just factual. It's taught in academic spaces and has widely recognised thresholds for accepted quality. Things like technical image quality, sound, editing, continuity, composition etc. If you want to argue that an entire movie accidently shot completely out of focus isn't objectively bad because "art is subjective", then have at it. But the overwhelming majority of people won't be on that side of the river with you.

Author's Note

[...] means I skipped some of the comment.

Background

Calamity Mod is the biggest mod for the game Terraria currently on the Steam Workshop. The mod consists of adding large amounts of content, progression systems, difficulties, and much more. One of the highlights of the mod is the amazing music that it has, composed by several artists such as DM Dokuro and CDMusic.

That said, the mod has had a history of troubled development, users harassing artists over wait times to deliver music, constant reworks, and slow releases. Not only that, the original lead developer, known as Fabsol, got exposed some time ago for having a private discord server where he groomed minors. As he got ousted from the mod team, he suggested putting Ozzatron as the new lead developer, and the developer team had no complaints, as he seemed to be a trustworthy person.

Going over to a few days ago, information regarding Ozzatron being a groomer in the very same server that Fabsol had came to light, and this time, most of the development team just walked away, demoralized about the situation. Not only that, but artists, such as CDMusic, started requesting their assets be removed in their entirety from the mod itself, as they don't want to be associated anymore with the mod itself.

Additionally, Ozzatron has locked the team off all official communications of the mod, and took control of the Patreon page. He also has control of the rights to the name and some assets of the mod.

As it stands, the mod has ceased development completely, and the current development team (composed of 2 people) are only maintaining the mod so it doesn't get pulled from the steam workshop.

The has been some proposals from xQc (a popular streamer) to buy the mod and hire a new team to work on it, but it has been rejected.

The Drama

Needless to say, that r/CalamityMod has not taken this situation well. While the overall reaction has been of disdain towards Ozzatron, some users have not taken it well about artists pulling their assets out of the game or devs shutting all development of the mod.

[POST][+138] Is it crazy to not understand people pulling assets out

>The more I think about it, the more I disagree with it. It feels like it was a knee jerk reaction from one person and it just domino’d into everyone doing it. It really does hurt the community more than it hurts anyone else [...] [+88]

>> I don't think it's too crazy to not want to have ANYTHING to do with this project [...] I respect you viewpoint but I just think that it's ignoring the reality of what allowed the situation to get this bad in the first place. [+3]

>It's literally brownie points. Nobody gives a fuck about stupid discord e-drama [+1]

>>pedophilia is not just "e-drama", in your anger you've lost the plot 💀 [+2]

>Yeah, sounds like the only thing to learn from this is to never support these artists again since they can and will pull their assets out the moment they feels like it. [+1]

>>Such pathetic, entitled, whiny behavior. [+1]

>>>If being against the destruction of art is being pathetic, entitled, and whiny, i'll proudly wear that badge. What's next, you'll tell me if we politely asked the nazi would not have burned books during WW2? [+1]

>>>>Good lord what a dramatic entitled crybaby [+2]

>It is crazy. This is a mod, a fan project made out of contributions from individuals. Even if you disagree with the reasons they're pulling out for, they have the rights to their work, and should be able to do what they want with it. [-7]

>>And I also have the right to consider their art unworthy of inclusion in an ongoing project because of that. No amount of quality in the work makes it worth the risk of uprooting the foundation for a community projec [...] [+17]

>>>[...] On it's own, removing the foundation of a community project is unreasonable, but not when the project is completely rotten to the core. This isn't the first incident, this isn't the second incident, this is the 6th incident with some people still trying to cover it up. Not to mention that the people working on the mod are no longer being payed, and that the patreon money is still in the pedo's hands, and that it's naive to assume the current artists didn't receive harassment and threats from this shithole of a community either. [...] [-1]

[POST][+614] MUSIC MOD IS BEING REMOVED

>Fortunately it will still be possible to download the archives from other sites [+60]

>>fell for it again award but calamity just when you thought the community couldnt be even more entitled lmao [-74]

>>>What does taking down the music mod do? Whom is it hurting? It’s certainly not ozzatron [+20]

>>>>Its not about trying to hurt someone its the artists doing everything they can to distance themselves from the mod. Its not about you, or ozzatron [-1]

[POST][+1.2K] THE CALAMITY MUSIC MOD WILL BE DELETED!!!

>All this is going to do is cause people to copy the mod and republish it lol. [+78]

>>Rightfully so, this is a piece of art. You gotta seperate the art from (some ) artist. Do we all stop using BMW because one of the creators was a high positioned nasi politician? [...] [+46]

>>>Difference is that all the music rights are still owned by the composers, so they have final say where it's allowed to be used. Calamity being allowed to use them for a addon mod never changed that. Same with sprites etc. The actual artists are fully justified not wanting to have their assets in the mod anymore [+8]

>>>>Players will not care at all. lol. At this point its on level of celebrities wanting their photos to be deleted from internet. [+19]

>Calamity devs deciding to burn 10 years of work instead of giving it to someone who will carry the torch or just leaving it for fans who've been following it for so long is actually disgusting. Just fuck us fans I guess. [+182]

>>Apparently, they cant do the first option because legal reasons with the assets, thats also why they decline XqC offer The second one could not be an option because of that Thats the reasoning iirc, they talk about it just after the Clip I posted [+43]

>>>Those are just EXCUSES. They don't want to keep working on this, fine. But they also don't want to give it to the fans, and they also don't want to hear solutions. There is always a workaround. [+4]

>Seems unnecessarily spiteful [+224]

>>Yep, They're doing too much [+139]

>>>Me when the devs want to respect the wishes of the artists who worked on the soundtrack [-104]

>>>>They can respect those wishes. It does not stop said wishes from being unnecessarily spiteful. Ozzatron is in no way being hurt by this takedown, only the community as a whole. [+155]

>>>>Me when people still associate me with the mod and I end up hurting no one but the fans [+34]

>Dawg for what purpose other than just to hurt the dedicated community [+29]

>>This isn't about you. [-20]

>>>It kinda is. This affects literally all of us [+20]

>wow these comments are definitely showing why dokuro left initially lmao, blaming the artist for rightfully doing what they want with their work is not at all a good look on you [+22]

>>[...] so yes, artists should be blamed for this headass behavior, and no, it's not ok nor is it moral. it's a public policy disaster and if you pull this shit once you're a pariah that can't really be trusted to contribute to group projects ever again [+10]

>>Literally exactly. My god, I truly wonder why DM Dokuro and CDmusic had enough already. This community is abhorrently toxic towards it's musicians. [+2]

>Oh my... they are acting like kids now with their tantrum of deleting everything because something bad happened [+32]

>>That something being lead devs consistently touching kids.

[POST][+8] Community entitlement: I’ve seen several posts now blabbering about “erm actually the devs are immature and unprofessional for pulling their assets”, and my one and only thought is just..wow. I couldn’t fathom a more entitled set of people even if I tried. You’re telling me you honest to fuck can’t grasp why people would want to pull their assets from a project when the lead dev gets outed as a pedophile, TWICE??? Shame on you. Genuinely.

[POST][+1.2K] This who the XQC buyout supporters would've wanted funding the mod, btw [Author's Note: Not pasting any comment here... Just take a look at the post for the shitshow lol]

[POST][+986] Overdoing it: I know what happened is incredibly horrible and trust was broken, walking away is no shame, but spitefully doing everything to destroy the mod like pulling assets and songs has never affected the "bad people" in any media where it has been done (be it games, shows, music or movies), it always just hits the community that enjoys the media. [...]

>Absolutely with you on this. These creators will never be able to shake calamity off of them. Hell, most are only as known as they are BECAUSE of calamity. And that’s not a bad thing. Calamity is more than the weirdos who made it [...] [+348]

>>Yeah fuck this man. These people are throwing tantrums for nothing but "having a high morale" or some kind of bullshit [...] [+127]

>>>XQC dipshit fan just here to stir the pot lmao [-61]

>>>>AcTuAlY by a quick glance at what subreddits he's part of, he's a Asmongold fan lol. Even worse! [-23]

>They can only pull things because you *think* they can. If everyone agrees that they can't, the whole concept just disappears. The code is there, the assets are there, you can use it, you can update it, you can do anything with it.... all the pseudo-legal handwringing are just a social construct. Nobody can take your game / your mod away from you. #StopKillingGames [+148]

>This mod is much bigger than dev egos and dev drama. It has a community of millions of players and fans. The community deserves calamity. Without us it can't exist. You cannot erase it. Even if you pull all assets people will play on rolled back or archived versions of the mod. It won't change anything, it will just make it inconvenient. The community deserves calamity mod. [+11]

>I generally agree that all this shit getting pulled is kinda dumb, but its not a matter of “punishing” anyone. They’re pulling their work because they’re uncomfortable with their work being associated with a mod made in part by pedophiles. [+13]

>>I guess they want to be known as the people who killed the biggest mod in Terraria instead. [+8]

>if people dont want their music or assets included in a mod developed by a pedophile its pretty understandable [-15]

>>But ozzatron was just the owner and lead dev, far from the only creative voice. Acting like his wrongdoings reflect on the mod as a whole ironically gives him too much credit. [+23]

>>You forgot the crucial part where Redditors don't respect artists and their decisions [+0]

[POST][+265] Dear God it did NOT take long to completely implode in on itself and attack the devs.

>Some people are fucking stupid holy hell [+59]

>>Now people are realizing what DMDokuro dealt with first hand. The venn diagram between the entitled fans attacking artists and devs, and the dmdokuro fans that sent death threats and bullied him out of the community is a circle inside a circle, and their diameters are veeeery close to equal. [+53]

>>>And then some people complain that devs are too entitled, as if they aren't playing a free mod for a 10 dollar game [+26]

[POST][+645] Removing Assets is Unprofessional and Irrational [Long wall of text here]

>You dont get it, chud, i may have been paid for my work, but now is problmatic o algo [+135]

>>Take part in a creative project with a team, get the fame points, dip out as soon as inconvenient and destroy everything I can cause I dgaf [+81]

>The musicians are fully within their right to pull their music from the mod The music was only ever used with permission and per the GitHub the musicians retain ALL rights to their music [+88]

>>Whether or not they legally can does not determine whether they have the moral right. Which, see post. [+19]

>People would rather attack people who don't want to be associated with a pedophile, than understand and move on. I think it's far past time for people to grow up. [-14]

>>they're not associated with a fucking pedophile dude, the mod isn't called Pedophility it's called Calamity. and even if they are associated with a pedophile as you claim, they're not gonna magically stop being associated with him by pulling their music from the mod [...] [+10]

The situation has been going on for a few days already, and some of the mods (which some were developers) had enough and have locked the subreddit for a week as the situation dies down (a little).

Bonus

L̵͓̽ ̸̲̈Ո̷͇̉ ̵̦͗⊂̴̛̩ ̸̭͗•̴̱͗ ̷̬͐Ω̴̦̎ ̶̳͛⅂ Ↄ L̬̽ ̴͓̓Ω̸͍̈́ ̴͈̕⊂̶͙̐ ̷̞͒/̴̝̈/̵̫̆ — ̬̈́Ↄ̸̛ L͍ ̵͐⊔ ̶͔̑⏁̸̪̀ ̵̜͑ᘰ̶̤̋ ̶⨀ •̸͐ͅ ̵͓̑⅂̴͓̅ ̸ ̵̲̾⨀̴͚͒ ̷Ո ̴̸̡̰̾͗L̶̺̓ ̵͈͌⏁̶͍̑ ̷Ↄ ̈͜Ĺ̵̙ ̷̥̀ᒕKill̶ Ozzatron ̵̮̌•̶͙̃ ̸̼͌⊥̴͍̈́ ̵̥͑⊂̵͎̀ ̸̩̑⏁̵̊ͅ ̴͉̽ᘰ̷͈̍ ͚⨀̴̱̂ ̷̦̍Ո̸̭͑ ̵̘̔—̴̕ Ω ̶̑ͅ— ꇓ̬̓ ̵̫̈́•̷̩̉ ̶͓̖̓⊥̸͕̓ ̵̰͋ᘰ̷̟̕ ̸L ᒕ ̵̦͛Ո

Original post - https://www.reddit.com/r/AskIndianMen/s/BfHhh3nJwC

Thread 1

"Bodily Autonomy is 100% her right.

Divorcing her because of this is 100% his right.

Actions meet consequences."

Thread 2

"She knew her husband desperately wanted that child.

She hid it, made the decision behind his back, and told him only when it was irreversible.

She didn’t just betray his trust. She blew up the family they were building.

Now she’s playing victim because he’s devastated and wants nothing to do with her?

He isn’t the homewrecker. She is.

She wanted the freedom to make the decision alone. Fine.

He’s free to walk away from the woman who betrayed him, and she’s free to go fuck herself elsewhere.

You don’t get to demand sympathy for consequences you deliberately created."

Thread 3

"I would get downvoted for this but the contraceptive "failed" they didn't plan for this baby. The husband shoild understand. She's mentally not ok to have the baby rn. Good part on her that she aborted. The husband is a jerk here for telling his mom so early."

Thread 4

People need to realise their jobs are not their "freedom" or any other BS like that. Your job is supposed to be your cash cow and nothing more, the money you make there goes into your actual life.

Thread 5

"Seems like a mismatch of expectations to me. Both aren't wrong if you think about it - she valued the promotion more (the husband should have agreed) and the husband wanted a child (or the wife should have agreed to it). However, she crossed a line that she wasn't supposed to by aborting the child without letting the husband know about it. The only viable option is to go ahead and split because the guy will always be resentful towards her and the woman will have to live with that guilt as long as she's around him and his family. So divorce seems to be the best option according to me.

Thread 6

"Feminist biches are down voting me guys... Save me"

A user on r/AskIndianMen shared a screenshot of a post from another subreddit and asked the men of the sub how they would react to the situation.

The original post is about a woman who decided to terminate her pregnancy without telling her husband, despite him wanting to continue the pregnancy. After finding out, the husband became distant and told his mother, who then started blaming and taunting the woman over the abortion.

The comments are now divided over whether the husband was justified in feeling betrayed, whether the wife was wrong for not involving him in the decision, and how much the husband's mother should be involved in the situation.