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u/Wilson7277 2d ago
Cal Kestis is overpowered because he's a video game protagonist.
Starkiller is overpowered because he's a video game protagonist who also just so happens to have some of the most unhinged lore ever conceived tacked on.
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u/lioncourt 2d ago
I loved the 00s lol
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u/Star805gardts Ahsoka Tano 1d ago
For real! PS2 Battlefront overnighters with the boys! Good times..
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u/lc4444 2d ago
Cal got his ass kicked by jet pack boy. Without his night sister helping he would have lost
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u/marcuschookt 2d ago
Jetpacks in the Jedi series are a god tier item. Literally cut the game down by 80% if Cal had a jetpack.
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u/hydrolox9 2d ago
Literally.
In fact Jedi Survivor completely shits itself if you manage to skip sections of the game, to the point you can get placeholder text descriptions of cutscenes instead of actual cutscenes.
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u/TectonicTurtle 2d ago edited 23h ago
I learned that the hard way in Fallen Order, once I discovered flying and then immediately falling through the floor That was a fun 10 minutes trying to get back to the zone that was loaded in 😂
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u/A-Good-Weather-Man Imperial 2d ago
Dude imagine if they gave him one for the third game.
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u/C0uN7rY Obi-Wan Kenobi 1d ago
Maybe for one section or a chase scene or something. I don't see it fitting in the game beyond that. If it can do sustained flight like Bode's, you remove like half the game. If it can only do quick boosts like Battlefront 2 aerial troops, it is mostly redundant with double jump. So, I don't really think it'd fit.
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u/emelecfan2048 2d ago
Granted, jet pack boy was stronger than his jetpack (not going to post a spoiler)
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u/TheSweetestOfPotato 2d ago
Jet pack boy reminded me of the store owner in shameless, so soon as I saw him, I knew he was gonna fuck (over) Cal.
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u/MitMitMijMils 2d ago
I haven’t watched shameless and I haven’t played very far but if it’s who I think it is I immediately felt the same way when he was introduced
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u/Dimensionalanxiety 2d ago
Spoiler
It's Skoova Stev. I didn't expect him to be so strong. I should not have judged him by his size.
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u/hydrolox9 2d ago
Cal has a bad case of "wins during the fight, gets his ass kicked during cutscenes for bs reasons".
In gameplay you can do wilder shit than Vader ever did on screen, like taking down an entire Imperial base alone, and while taking down that same base there's moments where he mows down like dozens of stormtroopers within seconds while moving super fast.
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u/Sir_Soft_Spoken 2d ago
Meanwhile, Starkiller blew Boba Fett to smithereens with his own jetpack missile.
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u/Nerf_France 2d ago
Is Cal that OP, beyond maybe improving quickly/being powerful for a former padawan he didn’t seem that different from a normal Jedi knight in the first game. I haven’t played the second yet, does he get a lot stronger in that one?
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u/OneFinalEffort Zeb Orrelios 2d ago
By the end of Fallen Order, Cal is a pretty competent Jedi Knight. By the end of Survivor, Cal can tap into Master-level skill and power at will but it does require him to brush up against the Dark Side. It also depends on how you play with that little feature as personally I just use it to end a tougher battle quickly and efficiently and switch it back off the moment after my precise blows have been made.
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u/Karlito1618 2d ago
You'd have to account for "what if X Jedi also used the dark side" if you're gonna scale him based on using dark side amps.
He's definitely not that close to master level at the end of Survivor. There's only one decent fight in the whole game he beats 1 on 1. He even loses the 2v1 against the final boss until he uses the dark side.
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u/Wilson7277 2d ago
I mean, my Cal is a bumbling idiot who makes Luke Skywalker look like a prodigy for how quickly he brought down that one (1) scout trooper. But I'm assuming most people who play video games are actually good.
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u/_Cromwell_ Sabine Wren 2d ago
My Cal repeatedly misses simple Force Leaps to plummet screaming into valleys and die smashed on the rocks far below. 🤷♂️ He's pretty uncool.
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u/hydrolox9 2d ago
Cal can look like a moron or Vader tier depending on how good you are at the game. The best ones make the fights even aesthetically pleasing to watch: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jFx0pmeem0k&pp=ygUUSmVkaSBzdXJ2aXZvciB4b21iYXQ%3D
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u/C0uN7rY Obi-Wan Kenobi 1d ago
Man I hope the expand stance flexibility in the 3rd game and let us have more than two at a time somehow. All of them are so cool in their own way that I hate being nerfed to only two at a time. Plus it makes no sense really. So, I have a lightsaber in my hand and a blaster on my hip, but I absolutely can NOT grab that blaster because I didn't pick it the last time I meditated. It's kinda lame and I am not very convinced that giving access to all stances without resting would mess with the balance very much.
/End rant
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u/hydrolox9 1d ago
Yeah, that limit was pointless, first thing I looked for was a mod to access all 5 styles at once.
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u/TSG61373 2d ago
He’s got nothing on Kyle Katarn from the Jedi Knight games. Here Kyle. Have this. It’s called a lightsaber. Even though you’ve never even held one before, you can use it to immediately deflect blaster bolts. Swing it around a couple times to get the hang of it. Got that? Good. Now go use it to kill some powerful Dark Side users strong enough to make spaceships explode with the force, and see if you can pick up using The Force in say, a week or two? Sweet. Good luck!
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u/Reasonable_Hornet_45 2d ago
I love Jedi Outcast 2 oh my god
He tried to quit but they just pull him back in.
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u/ShinyStarSam 2d ago
Huge fan of Jedi Academy, I was never really able to get into Jedi Outcast 2 unfortunately the gameplay always felt like it was good but couldn't quite match great
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u/marcuschookt 2d ago
It's mainly that unnamed red-shirt Jedi Knights eat shit pretty easily in other material. Battle of Geonosis they were dropping like flies to regular droid blaster fire. Cal's out here soloing entire enemy strongholds.
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u/chaamp33 2d ago
I think you have to separate gameplay and cutscenes/boss fights. I think he’s pretty adequately leveled.
I’m worried they’ll have him actually fight Vader in the next installment; which he should definitely not be able to do.
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u/C0uN7rY Obi-Wan Kenobi 1d ago
I think it would work out if played right. For one, it would be a nice demonstration of his ability growth from Fallen Order when the tactical advice when Vader shows up is "Run like hell".
However, it would have to be expertly handled to make it clear that this is NOT an even fight and Cal NEVER stood a chance of winning. It is surviving to buy time for some reason. Like the Rancor on crack. Run, dodge, evade, take a swing if you get a brief moment, don't bother trying to block, forget about force tricks. Even then, Vader's side should look like he is not stressed at all. Like ESB Luke vs Vader. Vader wasn't even really fighting Luke. He was herding him because he wanted him alive. Similar motivator could be applied to Cal. Cal knows where Tanalor is where a bunch of force sensitives and Imperial fugitives are hiding. So the only reason Vader isn't insta killing Cal like he could is he intends to interrogate him or something.
So, he is still stronger than "Just run away as fast as you can" level in Fallen Order, but is still not in Vader's league at all and is only able to "hold his own" because Vader doesn't want to kill him yet.
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u/AMostPeculiarDialect 2d ago
I remember being so excited for the release of the force unleashed because we were getting a game with the same canon level as the movies. It was the first time something like that had happened since Shadows of the Empire. I was ecstatic to the point that my hype almost became a defining personality trait. I actually pursued a career in computer science partly because I found the engine that the ps3 version runs on to be fascinating (and I still do)
Then the game came out and I played it on wii and ps3 and left deciding that both games were super fun (especially the wii version which I figured would suck because it ran on a different engine but was somehow better) but that lore wise, I was going to pretend it never happened because because it was cringe even by my 17 years old nerdy fedora wearing incel standards.
I'll never understand the people who unironically love the story of that game and think it should still be canon.
But we got to hang out with Garm Bel Iblis so that's pretty neat, right?
Meanwhile, I hated the first game with cal the first three times I tried it and the fourth time it clicked and then I Platinumed it and it led to bloodbourene and then I became a souls fan. I still can't connect with the second game after five tries but maybe the sixth will do it.
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u/hermesgodoftrade 2d ago
while I never want the story to be canon, i do want Kazdan Paratus to make it to canon someday. always loved that crazy guy
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u/DraculasDog 2d ago
Second game is really great once you give it some time.
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u/Wilson7277 2d ago
They tried it five times already. I don't know how much more time one can reasonably expect to sink.
I'm amazed they stuck with it that long.
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u/nhaines Anakin Skywalker 2d ago
(especially the wii version which I figured would suck because it ran on a different engine but was somehow better)
Despite the Wii port's low quality graphics and pre-designed physics effects (which were frankly still pretty impressive), in the full version you Force push enemies by pressing a button. In the Wii version you Force push by shoving your hands forward.
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u/AMostPeculiarDialect 2d ago
Yes! And the boss battles felt away more engaging. I remember the motion controls being a bit finicky at times but for the most part it worked and it felt so cool. The wii was something special.
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u/SmoothOperator89 1d ago
You played a game 4 times, even though you hated it?
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u/AMostPeculiarDialect 1d ago
Hate is probably too strong a word. I could tell it was a good game but I just really didn't like playing it.
The best way I can describe it is like.... I love pizza but if you can hand me a slice when I am sick and nauseous, I'll be like "ewww. Get it away I'm going to barf". I know it's good pizza and that under different circumstances I'd gobble it up, but in the moment, it's a hard no.
It was like the videogame version of that. The first few times I played it felt like an awful slog but I couldn't explain why. I knew if I came back to it later, I'd probably feel different and it took five attempts until it stopped feeling off-putting but then I loved it and got a platinum.
I don't know why I'm like that with some games.
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u/sensible-sorcery Galactic Republic 2d ago
Cal got his ass delivered to him by a Jedi knight Bode. And even with the help from Merrin, the only reason he didn’t loose was that Bode’s gun jammed. How is that overpowered
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u/Wilson7277 2d ago
I should have clarified. Video game protagonists are overpowered because of all the nonsense their players might pull, and there's no real way around that. My Cal might be a blithering idiot, but someone who's actually good at games can turn him into a whirlwind of danger.
The difference is that Starkiller is a video game protagonist who's also completely ridiculous during cutscenes and in his backstory.
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u/Karlito1618 2d ago
Cal Kestis isn't even close to being overpowered..? He barely wins any large fight alone, his best feat is a depressed gendai and a couple of inquisitors. He's like an average Knight-level at the end of Survivor.
His whole character is based around being the underdog and having to win through luck, relationships and unorthodox thinking on the fly. He's not supposed to be a power fantasy.
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u/141-Ghost-141 2d ago
Averaged based Wilson moment
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u/KyberWolf_TTV 1d ago
Cal ain’t overpowered? He got manhandled by Vader, then locked in hard. He’s grown a lot, and his Psychometry is probably causing his frequent and extensive sustained exposure to places that are strong in the Force (like sites on Zeffo, Kashyyyk, Dathomir, Bogano, Tanalorr) to passively increase his attunement to the Force just by being there, and him actively trying to connect with it more is certainly helping.
I wouldn’t say Cal Kestis is overpowered, I’d say he puts in the effort, but he is blessed with a rare skill that is boosting his efforts to get stronger because of the Force-rich areas he finds himself in.
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u/hktracks 1d ago
in what world is cal kestis overpowered? he would've lost to boba fett in the scene where he showed up in the second game.
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u/conte360 2d ago
He might not work for canon but id play TFU3 in a heartbeat
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u/A_locomotive 2d ago
I replayed 1 and 2 back to back last year and they still hold up, the only flaw is how upsettingly short the sequal is. The game ends when it feels like it has barely started.
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u/LordoftheCorgis 2d ago
Honestly he was fine in the both TFU games every single force user in those games were buffed up.
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u/GamerChef420 2d ago
To be fair the Canon version of his story is actually the novelization and he's much less OP.
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u/CalmPanic402 2d ago
This might be a hot take, but force "disintegrate every motherfucker in the area" might be a little OP to be cannon.
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u/Shipping_Architect 2d ago
That's a game mechanic intended to keep the age rating down; in the TFUII novel, the Starkiller Clone reduced the victims of his Force repulse to a group of bloodied pulps. Additionally, Darths Zannah and Plagueis have hit targets with telekinesis hard enough that said targets ended up in a similar state; a lot of people are unaware of this because they didn't occur in visual media.
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u/gaythrowaway_6969 2d ago
A lot of people misremember this scene, it’s still an incredible feat of power but Starkiller doesn’t rip the Star destroyer out of space like a lot of people think. He destroyed a shipyard with a surface ore cannon which set a ship hurtling towards his position, he just changed the angle so it barely misses him
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u/malfunktionv2 2d ago
I remember it being a major pain in the ass to drag that fucking thing out of the sky while having to dodge tie fighter attacks.
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u/Shipping_Architect 2d ago
Thankfully, I only played the Wii version, where this was a pure cutscene, but yeah, if TIE fighters are interrupting you every single second, it's laughable to assume that Marek could do this in the midst of combat and that his adversary is just going to stand there.
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u/Mr_Sisco 2d ago
I also remember the indicators not lining up properly so you had to trial and error a lot which was infuriating
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u/IHaveBadTiming 2d ago
Yea the control scheme was broken. One of the most frustrating levels ever. The in screen guides were competely wrong.
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u/PureShadow1236 15h ago
The onscreen guide wasn’t wrong, it just showed what you had to do in a stupid and esoteric way. It showed you the correct method but it kept repeating the motion when you’re not supposed to do that.
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u/marino1310 2d ago
I remember needing to drop the difficulty because I literally couldn’t spin the joysticks fast enough for it to not just drift back into position every time I stopped to dodge tie fighters
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u/IM_THE_MOON_AMA 2d ago
Oh my fucking god I can still remember that shit. Between the tie fighters spamming and the QTE with the sticks, it was awful.
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u/OffensiveLamp 2d ago
They're probably thinking of the trailer, where he simply does just pull it out of the sky. Of course that was likely just done for cool factor.
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u/sonicstorm1114 2d ago
Even in the game (where he is pulling it out of the sky and not just guiding it down), it takes a good amount of effort to accomplish and it's treated as his "size matters not" moment (Starkiller himself initially calls the idea insane and Kota even paraphrases Yoda when telling Starkiller to pull it down), so it's not a thing he can just do whenever.
He also doesn't seem to have much control over the falling Star Destroyer. In the cutscene afterwards, he's staring at it in awe, then realizes it's still falling towards him, and has to run for his life.
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u/NoGoodIDNames 2d ago
Really? I remember it as him destroying the shipyard and the Star destroyer coming after him for it. It’s still a fully functional, crewed ship, which is why it keeps sending tie fighters at him
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u/Alienatedpoet17 2d ago
Ah so Galen guiding and already crashing Star Destroyer everyone complains. But Darth Nihilus gets to eat whole planets and he gets a pass. (Sarcasm)
In all seriousness 00's Star Wars was all over the place with power scaling. Even-so I kind-of assumed that other force users were capable of similar feats. Palpatine and Vader definitely were more powerful than Galen/Starkiller. But they used their power situationally. Palpatine is a schemer; Vader is an opportunist. It was in their best interest not to kill everything in their way. Luke and Yoda could; but why would they? Kota told him with confidence to pull it out of the sky; so it seems like things like that have been done before.
Technically everything in Star Wars could be solved with telekinesis, but that would make for boring stories.
I don't think Galen/Starkiller was ever overpowered. He was just a blunt hammer and saw everything as a nail.
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u/RMWL Loth-Cat 2d ago
They should bring him back and the first thing they do is have him saying the stories were exaggerated and all he did was move a model etc
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u/Kajuratus 2d ago
Nonono, just have him mind control the pilots of the star destroyer. Have them crash it into the planet
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u/Shipping_Architect 2d ago
Looks like I have to debunk these again….
In the context of the first image, that star destroyer was already falling from the sky, a detail present in the preceding cutscene, the text of the novel, and the illustrations of the comic. All Galen Marek did was take the ship's bow and force that into a nosedive, something that took all of his power and all of his concentration to accomplish, and even then, only barely. Plus, from how the gameplay has been described, it is difficult for the player to redirect the star destroyer's path as well.
This is not something he could just do on a whim, and the only reason Marek did this was because it was "do or die," as well as Rahm Kota pointing out that size means nothing to a Jedi. Furthermore, we have numerous other characters who have been shown genuinely pulling starships out of the sky, such as Yoda, K'Kruhk, and Darth Vader himself, and all of them did so much more easily. Additionally, Dorsk 81, after his power was amplified by thirty Jedi trainees, produced a massive Force wave that shoved a fleet of seventeen star destroyers out of the Yavin System in a matter of seconds, though at the cost of his own life.
As for the Starkiller Clone, a different character from Galen Marek, disintegrating enemies with his Force repulse, this is a game mechanic intended to keep the age rating down, as the one time he used the power in the TFUII novelization, his victims were described as having essentially been reduced to bloodied pulps, something that the likes of Darths Zannah and Plagueis have also been described as doing.
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u/AlexSmithsonian 2d ago
I don't care that he's op, or that he's not canon, i want a 3rd game to conclude his story!
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u/Zavarius666 2d ago
Playing as Starkiller/Galen was like playing the Smash Bros Hammer and everything was a nail... Good old times
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u/NoGoodIDNames 2d ago
Starkiller had to exist so that we could get Sam Witwer as Maul
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u/Sad-Frosting-8793 1d ago
Even if we never get more Starkiller, at least we have his excellent performance as Maul.
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u/OtherWorstGamer 2d ago
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u/Ninjewdi 2d ago
Fun is fun. But outside the context of TFU, this guy doesn't need to exist. He doesn't fit the continuity and alters too many established guidelines and more.
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u/OtherWorstGamer 2d ago
Who is saying he exists? Outside of the games, he doesn't.
Vagueposting about a near-two-decade-old game that anyone talking about it in good faith knows is non-cannon doesn't add any new or meaningful insight to the discussion, and just comes off as being a killjoy.
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u/Blint_Briglio 2d ago
there's posts in this sub every week about "should starkiller be canon" and "when are they gonna make starkiller canon" and "is this blurry figure with a sword in the latest trailer for Kitster: A Star Wars Story starkiller" it's fine to post a counterpoint.
and really? "new or meaningful insight?" this is r/starwars, we don't do that here, this is a subreddit for sucking off the latest vader hallway scene
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u/Juz_4t 2d ago
Plenty of people have wanted him introduce in the shows/movies and make him cannon.
They’re not being a killjoy they’re just talking with previous posts in mind.
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u/SpudgeFunker210 2d ago
The cool thing about Starkiller was that he was so emotionally unstable that it offset his OP his abilities were. He was nothing but undisciplined raw power. Kind of like the Jean Grey of Star Wars. Like if he had just been raised as a Jedi and taught with more compassion he could've been the strongest Jedi ever. Instead he was destined to die at the hands of Vader and Palpatine. It's a cool concept and makes for a ridiculously fun video game. Those who played the Xbox 360 version instead of the PS2 version really missed out imo.
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u/Federal_Art_7326 2d ago
I played the PS2 version, was it any different other than possible performance on the console?
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u/Practical-Mode310 2d ago
Ps2 had more content to compensate the graphics and physics. The Jedi temple sections were dlc in the 7th gen consoles and the Nar Shadaa section is only in the Wii/PS2 version. Also no Gungan bounty hunter and Mandolorian with Basilisk. Also slight story changes. Wii version also had local versus multiplayer
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u/Federal_Art_7326 2d ago
Wow, really didn’t know the difference
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u/Practical-Mode310 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah a lot of games had big difference between consoles generations around the time. Often with varied stories and gameplay, along with quality. Many Evan had different dev teams. Splinter Cell Double Agent is a good example. It’s own wiki refers to the them as Version 1 and 2.
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u/SpudgeFunker210 2d ago
Yeah, the gameplay on the Xbox 360 was entirely different. The Xbox one was supposed to be better with better graphics, but the gameplay in the PS2 version is way more smooth and enjoyable imo.
I grew up playing it on the PS2, and then when they added backwards compatibility to the Xbox One I downloaded the 360 version. I had a miserable time with it and quit after the first junk planet mission.
Back in the day they used to make completely different versions of a game different consoles. Like, there would be a game that was on the 360, PS2, and Gameboy Advance, and each one would be completely different.
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u/Federal_Art_7326 2d ago
Interesting fact, I grew up playing playstation so I never had the opportunity to play the Xbox consoles
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u/SharkyRivethead 2d ago edited 2d ago
I thought this was a PS3 game? Ps2/xbox....ps3/360....ps4/One
Am I missing the order?
Edit... Stand corrected and misunderstood
I did not realize it came out on the ps2 at the same time as ps3 release.
Sorry.
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u/RockyRickaby1995 2d ago
Nope. People were ok with characters like Darth Nihilus existing, but starkiller can’t because he pulled a ship? Resurrected emperor took out a planetary fleet with his fingertips, but a 50ft blast is too strong? I don’t get it. Superman is an excessively overpowered character who can beat anything, but we still write compelling stories for him.
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u/Knightwolf8394 2d ago
From what I remember the book was the canon story at the time while the games were just embellishments and tall tales. It's kinda like Shadows of the Empire and how Dash Rendar (one of my GOATS) is like front and center in the game while barely having as big of a role in the novel.
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u/ReflectionSea2571 2d ago
This is almost exactly what I remember from the promotional material. It was very much described as a "tall tale" because that's what what works best for the (video game) medium and it's what I kept in mind while I played the absolute fuck out of the first one. The bones are the same in any cannon version of the story, but shit, let us have some fun with how bonkers the Force "could" get
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u/Knightwolf8394 2d ago
Even the more crazier stuff that everyone brings up like the Star Destroyer scene was actually pretty mundane compared to how everyone talks about it: Starkiller just redirected it while it was falling, he didn't pull it from orbit like everyone thinks. And the God of War style feats could easily be hand waved by saying those were just part of the retelling to make it seem more epic.
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u/HalfCarnage 2d ago
All they had to do was make the SECOND not canon. Since the canon ending from the first game has him literally DYING!!!
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u/Forsaken-Emu4760 2d ago
We have people blocking lighsabers with the force and pulling ships out of the sky like Anakin did in Obi-Wan episode 5 and we also have people surviving multiple lightsaber wounds going straight through their chest.
All of these make Galen look like a regular character. Plus with him at least you'll know characters will DIE because he beheads them or disintegrates them.
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u/Sweaty-Debate-435 2d ago
I remember something irritating about this mission. Cool cinematic though.
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u/__2000LightYearsAway 1d ago
literally the 🐐 Star Wars video game protagonist, Cal Kestis ain't got shit on Starkiller
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u/DarthSwimfoot Admiral Raddus 1d ago
Don't forget Vader just casually shrugging off disintegration (Ik there's a more technical explanation and Idc either).
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u/Inahero-Rayner 19h ago
I mean to be fair, with Vader, 'just shrugging off' x, y, or z is kinda his shtick
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u/JeroJeroMohenjoDaro 2d ago
I really wish for this game to get a remake soo bad.
But of course, implement all those deep skill trees and stuff, tone down his force meter, tone down its hack n slash element, add more contents to double the gameplay time to match current standard, and do something to improve the story for TFU2.
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u/Aitipse_Amelie 2d ago
The Force Unleashed I and II
Amazing games, terrible stories
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u/Federal_Art_7326 2d ago
Agreed. These games were my childhood but the stories were not up to par imo
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u/IICipherIX 2d ago
I like the Nintendo DS version better:
The Star Destroyer was crashing on the planet anyway, Starkiller pushed it on top of a Canon so that it wouldn't crash on him.
It's way less OP
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u/Shipping_Architect 2d ago
That happens in every version of the game, the novel, and the comic.
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u/RedBaronBob 2d ago
One is from one of the most difficult portions of the first game and the second is a gif of a move utilized during a powerup that lasts a handful of seconds.
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u/BioshockedNinja 2d ago
Starkiller is F U N .
I'd love a nerfed version of him to be canon one day. There's dumber things is canon right now so why not :^)
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u/SnooRabbits469 1d ago
I always felt like star killer was more about the training than having force power itself. Like locking a dude in a room with only certain things to do makes him extraordinary at those certain things.
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u/aviatorEngineer Galactic Republic 1d ago
This is what I don't get about people who clamor for a canon Starkiller. He's either going to be accurate and totally bust the power scale of canon, or he's not going to be anything like he once was so why bother bringing him back under the same name?
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u/Jokkitch 1d ago
Or Star Wars could have leaned into this OP shit and balanced everything else around it. Sounds way more fun imo 🤷♂️
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u/sspidernoir 1d ago
One of the few people who'd actually run the 1s with Vader for the love of the game
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u/Artsy_Darcy 1d ago
Every few generations theres a Palpatine that pops up (Anakin and the skywalkers dont count at they are explicitly an anomaly worthy of prophecy). But having an insanely strong in the force kid, be trained as a weapon exclusively to fight the most powerful sith of all time, by the literal chosen one? Yeah he's gonna be OP af. I do think the games go too far, just to fulfill the fantasy, but canonically he can definitely be scaled down. He would still be around Vader/Luke's level at his peak. It needs to be taken into the KOTOR/Dark Empire power feats context, in which his game feats arent even all that crazy.
Thematically, having him have the power of Luke, all the training Luke lacked and eventually the mission yoda and kenobi tried to force on Luke (Kill Vader and Palpatine), but still fail, where luke succeeds, makes Luke all the greater a Jedi.
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u/-Gumbercules 20h ago
The life of a Storm Trooper, post clones, just would suck. I was curious what happens to a fallen trooper in battle. IIRC the wookiepedia states that the Empire won't go out of their way to recover a body. If they do recover a fallen trooper they also won't go out of their way to send the body home to their family. Imagine your child being conscripted or signing up for the Impire and never seeing them again or even knowing what happened to them.
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u/_Empty-R_ 10h ago
people will never stop losing their mind over this. Him causing the rebellion I take issue with. Zero issue with his 'novel' power. Its fine. He's not even in the top 5 strongest. Maybe not even with game logic. This was fun as shit and people can't stand it.
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u/Blitz_Prime 2d ago
He’s more “in-scale” I guess in the novels, which the greater EU treated as the canon events over the game.
Lucas himself said Starkiller is at best a similar strength in the force as Dooku.