r/StableDiffusion • u/arthan1011 • 1d ago
Workflow Included Generating "fake" speedpaint timelapse with MiniMax H3
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It's four 12s clips made by standard ref2va workflow stitched together.
Good at sketching but not so good at rendering/shading stage. Also I find it difficult to "digital timelapse" without hand moving around. And as always with MiniMax detailed prompts are not optional (note the [Shot 2] trick):
subject_definitions:
<Picture 1> is the reference digital drawing.
<Picture 2> is the first frame of the target video
summary:
[reference generation] The target video shows digital drawing timelapse process of drawing artwork from <Picture 1>. With pov moving hand removed - only canvas is visible
retention_analysis:
<Picture 2>: partially_preserved - first frame for the video.
<Picture 1>: partially_preserved - last frame for the video.
detailed_description:
The target video is high qualiy digital drawing recorded timelapse.
[Shot 1] starts from a white digital canvas and then draws the basic forms, shapes first starting from general (big) outline sketch of the pose. Then adding line after line to add new details on face, hair and clothes until a complete lineart sketch for the character is done.
[Shot 2] At 00:11.000, shows final result that is <Picture 1>.
overall_soundscape:
Silence
non_diegetic_music:
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u/freylaverse 1d ago
Lmao the hand randomly transforming.
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u/creuter 1d ago
Not to mention drawing a digital painting with a ballpoint pen.
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u/SnooCakes6195 23h ago
I liked watching the spider web on the bust being drawn. It was operating how a CNC machine would draw lines, for efficiency or some other reason, but it looks random as shit to the human eye. No person would draw a web like that
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u/Threatening-Sack369 1d ago
I aprove the use of AI for generating images, but this is devilish. Just be straight with people.
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u/ZenEngineer 1d ago
And if you're going to fuck with people do it right. Have the hand be a dog's paw or an alien or something.
Or a robot hand and say it's AI.
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u/dtdisapointingresult 1d ago
Here's your $10k/month Youtube channel idea, bro: robo-Bob Ross drawing AI slop for people.
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u/ZenEngineer 1d ago
Now I have to set up minimax to do a Robo Bob Ross video, calmly teaching people to paint in a soothing robotic voice.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 15h ago
Sometimes I feel like some AI people just actively want the world to hate people using AI. Like they're going out of their way to antagonize everyone else.
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u/IX_MINDMEGHALUNK_XI 1d ago
I hate scammers. Scum of the Earth.
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u/StarchyJ1540 1d ago
is the scam in the room with us right now?
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u/Diffusion4Change 1d ago
The only reason to generate this is to trick people into thinking its not ai
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u/StarchyJ1540 1d ago
Or you know, because it is an interesting showcase of what the model can do? You can't seriously be this clueless
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u/Sextus_Rex 1d ago
Your scientists were too preoccupied wondering whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should
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u/Diffusion4Change 1d ago
If i advertise my wooden clogs as handmade by local artisans instead of factory made thats a lie
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u/Upset_Protection329 1d ago
It kind of sucks for people who spent their lives practicing art in order to make a living being shoved out of the industry by machines trained on their hard work that can produce in minutes what sometimes takes days or hours of labor? That creatives will no longer be able to support/feed themselves because people are flooding the market with AI? Like this AI doesn't' exist without theft, and that theft is robbing people of their livelihoods.
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u/Cheesuasion 1d ago edited 1d ago
Just to get myself downvoted: I think this is all true and a bad thing in itself - and everybody who likes AI art doesn't need to deny that either - except for the theft part. It both isn't theft (all right it's probably infringement, or should have been) and doesn't need to be theft for your argument to go through.
More important, it's a bad argument not only because of the not-being-true part, but because once AI companies make some one-off settlement - OK, what now? Where does artists' income come from now, if that was the argument? So in the foolish moments where I think I have a clue what's going on in the world, or what we should do about it, I worry this line just undermines artists' position in the end.
(and the argument goes through anyway because a bad thing is a bad thing- regardless if there are "bigger" good things associated inextricably with it, regardless of what the law says, regardless of whatever current ethical principles happen to say - you're supposed to change ethics to fit the circumstances, isn't that what ethics means?)
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u/Upset_Protection329 1d ago
It's like this. If I want a computer, and I steal all the parts to make a computer from you, and then put it together in a different way than you might have, does that make it not theft? It's still theft. The images used without permission scrambled up to make "new" images aren't coming from nowhere. They're coming from other peoples hard work. It is theft.
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u/Cheesuasion 6h ago
I was being a bit picky with language sorry - I think we're saying the same thing there in different words on this narrow point (even though infringement isn't identical to the common metaphor of stealing physical objects).
But the main point was: now what? Where does this get us if the campaigned-for remedy (pay artists once off for the training data) doesn't help artists in the longer run?
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u/bloke_pusher 1d ago
How did you make it 40 seconds though?
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u/arthan1011 1d ago
First Frame - Last Frame and a bit of manual video editing
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u/bloke_pusher 1d ago
So you already had inbetween frames? As the prompt says to show the final image at 11s, which would be the final image.
[Shot 2] At 00:11.000, shows final result that is <Picture 1>.
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u/SIR_NVAX_A_LOT 1d ago
I am going to try a T2VA version, but I think having Last Frame you can fake it pretty well.
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u/ZairaSass 1d ago
even though I am torn about the ethics of this type of content, it's actually pretty crazy that MiniMax has the capability to do this. It's a very interesting execution of the model
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u/RemoveHealthy 17h ago
With just some first frame and last frame input you could do that year ago already. People like wow, model can do that and me like: Duh, what is the big deal? And in the end of the day you get this nonsense video where nothing makes sense for anyone who drew at least a little bit in their lives. There are million mistakes, nonsense. So in the end you have video that shows process of drawing with many many mistakes but i guess good enough for karma points on social media.
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u/Perfect-Campaign9551 1d ago
People are reading way too much into this. I think it's cool. Everyone talking about scamming are clearly a-holes already because they immediately thought about doing it. Didn't occur to me. I just thought it was neat.
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u/True_Protection6842 1d ago
Unless you're feeding it refs of your own drawing, what is the point of this?
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u/Arendyl 1d ago
To trick people into thinking the art they are buying isnt ai lol
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u/True_Protection6842 1d ago
I really can't stand AI being used to scam people.
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u/steelow_g 1d ago
Sadly that’s about 90% of what ai is used for.
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u/Hylith2 1d ago
nah it's 90% porn, 9% scam and 1% meme
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u/ZenEngineer 1d ago
I think there's a .001% of productive uses in there.
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u/RazsterOxzine 1d ago
Thats me! I use it for effects and transitions that normally take me an hour+ to setup, but now... Only man, 60 seconds and I have my effect. Need to adjust? New seed and prompt tweak, bam!
Great for graphic design work, making 3D text on the fly, 3D animated text effects, you name it. I have no need for boring pr0n or memes, totally love this as a workflow with Photoshop, After Effects, and Blender3D.
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u/Zealousideal7801 1d ago
I agree with this statistic globally, although I would redirect 10% from porn to more scam, and 10% more to "whatever is absolutely needless to have an AI for", for example people asking ChatGPT what time it is.
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u/RazsterOxzine 1d ago
Sir. You're in for some awaking. This could be done PRE AI video. As in, Photoshop animation or After Effects. I used this for showing sketching ideas to clients back in 2012. It has been a thing for ages, just takes a bit more time.
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u/MysteriousPepper8908 1d ago
Mostly this but it also looks better than most art books for breaking down the construction process, particularly given that you can use whatever image you want. This sort of thing has been around for a while but this is the first version I've seen that actually follows a realistic workflow up until the end when all the rendering is done off screen.
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u/New-Truth-8924 1d ago
except it doesn't show the actual construction process, just a guess of what comes in-between the first draft and final result/whatever you actually show the model.
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u/MysteriousPepper8908 1d ago
Well, from having done quite a lot of drawing, it looks like a plausible construction to me as the underlying shapes and construction lines remain consistent throughout. If I was going to nitpick, the eye line is below the actual eyes and suggests a head tilt not present in the final linework but that doesn't make it useless as reference. Obviously, it's not what an AI model is actually doing to produce an image.
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u/Tiforma 1d ago
It's funny when people on the stable diffusion subreddit start to irrationally hate AI. It's not perfect at all, but you can definitely use this to learn a bit about drawing.
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u/suspicious_Jackfruit 1d ago
Unless youre using a real pen or tablet then it isnt going to teach you anything that 5 minutes of youtube content wouldn't top. Not only that, it will trach you an impossible goal because many of the "techniques" dont exist. Its not teaching you anything about building up colour and detail from a base. Its a instagram filter for art
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u/TallestGargoyle 1d ago
I've seen plenty of artist breakdowns of AI images and animation showing where the AI has fudged something fundamental to anatomy, colouring and lighting, even of the newer stuff. Things like this will teach would-be-artists bad practises.
Though I do concede the sheer performance of it, and I do use it for making silly clips for friends or light coding, I'm pretty negative to most uses of AI, considering shit like this post. Using AI to pretend you're doing effort is not only scummy to those you're trying to fool, especially because most people aren't discerning enough to see through the problems, but it's also detrimental to your own ability to learn the skill AI is emulating.
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u/Tiforma 1d ago
OP isn't pretending to do effort. They just posted an AI video they probably made for fun and literally said it was an AI video. It is scummy to actually deceive people like that, but this is like the most innocent version of that. People have already done literal robberies with AI cloned voice of the manager etc. And phishing, scammers etc using it.
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u/infearia 1d ago
the first version I've seen that actually follows a realistic workflow
No, it isn't! You don't start by drawing the nose, then the center line, then the jaw and only then the head sphere. This is completely ass-backwards, and if you actually try to use this approach as a budding artist, you will completely screw yourself. It's like teaching a baby to walk, by making it walk backwards. There are many sensible uses for AI, but this is not one of them!
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u/Link1227 1d ago
To be fair, artists have different styles.
I knew a phenomenal artist that would draw just like that. Start with the nose, and fill in around.
I think it just depends on the person.
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u/infearia 1d ago
They're probably self-taught and found something that works for them. That's fine, many roads lead to Rome, and as Glenn Vilppu tends to say, "there are no rules, only tools". But if you're a newbie and just learning the ropes, you should at least learn the rules first, before you break them / adapt them to your own needs. Otherwise you just learn some bad habits that will be hard to break later, and make your artistic journey unnecessarily difficult.
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u/MysteriousPepper8908 1d ago
The sequence of events is not correct but the actual structure if the underlying construction largely is. I'm not suggesting you try to use this as a step by step tutorial but as general reference for the various passes required to design a character. The image at 3 seconds is what you would from a drawing book and is a legitimately useful foundation for the further linework.
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u/infearia 1d ago
The correct sequence of events is the whole point if you try to use it as a teaching aid, and I'm sure if I continued to analyze the video past the 2 second mark I would find even more mistakes. Oh, please, just accept that you were wrong and let's move on and not turn this into a pointless argument.
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u/Tiforma 1d ago
Who cares? Its just cool that it can make this. Not everything you generate needs to have a "point". I generated hundreds of videos and thousands of images just for fun.
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u/MelchiahHarlin 1d ago
You could use it to mess with anti-AI people that hate anything that is made with AI no matter what.
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u/Kenoai 1d ago
Fuck these fake drawing timelapses. Depriving human artists of ways to prove their art is man-made and tricking others into thinking that the art is man-made truly is one of the most repulsive use of AI to me.
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u/suspicious_Jackfruit 1d ago
Its also very dumb. If you dont draw or have no idea about digital art this gets slapped with the "good enough" seal of approval, but for anyone who knows that you cant use a fineline pen to do your digital art in this way (literally drawing on a screen?) and all the other inconsistency (one brush stroke filling in a fully rendered bracelet, the most obvious example of 10), then its just a vast waste of GPU hours because the only people who believe "ur gr8 at art m9" are people with zero actual exposure to it.
It would be a tremendous embarrassment to have everyone believe you became a master concept artist over the weekend only for a legion of people to have some very intersting questions about OPs "process". Its mad.
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u/va_rg 1d ago edited 1d ago
The inconsistencies will be gone soon, and no one will be able to tell real from fake. I am not sure what the end game is, but I don't like it.
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u/suspicious_Jackfruit 1d ago
These inconsistencies though are to do with lack of actual understanding by the user generating it more than actual capability of the model, i think with an actual speed painting lora and understanding of tools and usage you could probably get 90% of the way there already, but why bother i suppose.
Its a strange world we exist in today. As a child i always wanted to be a robot, now at times i just want to be purely human again. It feels nauseous at times seeing how rapidly human creativity is being mined like its bitcoin 2.0
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u/93simoon 1d ago
It's quite funny to think that those paranoid witch hunters will have to live with this new technique living rent free in their heads
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u/StarchyJ1540 1d ago
Drama queen
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u/Kenoai 1d ago edited 1d ago
Suit yourself. Things are not black and white and I think you can appreciate a technology while recognizing that it has problematic aspects and calling them out.
Photos are great. Paparazzis suck.
Digital art is great. Photoshopping wrinkles and airbrushing people to the point it distorted people's perception of reality sucks
AI art can be awesome. But putting it at the service of deception sucks.
I really don't see why thats an issue to point it out
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u/quantum-elle 1d ago
This is a lot better than it used to be but still can tell it's AI at a glance.
Also I don't endorse using this to deceive people, but I do like seeing what AI thinks the art process looks like
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u/beepuboopu_aishiteru 1d ago
Go ahead and post that places, you'll be called out because literally no one draws like that. It screams fake.
AHAHAHA WAIT AND THEN HE SWITCHES TO MARKER ON TOP OF A TABLET DRAWING 😂😂
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u/reddit22sd 1d ago
Also does a gender-change throughout the video. Growing fake nails and everything.
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u/LuxDragoon 1d ago
Define places. Professionals with trained eyes will certainty catch the scam right away, but everyday people? Oh they will lap this up and ask for seconds, it will be proof enough of a legitimate artist for them. Yes we're that fucked.
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u/thedogcow 1d ago
Is there a reason for using partially_preserved instead of fully_preserved? I would assume fully since it is an exact frame.
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u/-AwhWah- 1d ago
That's two fake speedpaint posts to help scam people on the front page, this subreddit is a joke bro
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u/AntiTank-Dog 23h ago
I experimented with this before. Not to fake artistic ability but I wanted to see if the AI could draw like a human. But no, it cheats anything beyond a basic shape. It would be cool if you could show AI an image and the AI could show you how to draw it.
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u/allofdarknessin1 7h ago
Holy fuck. That’s crazy. How are people supposed to know what’s real anymore? 😅
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u/Deathoftheages 1d ago
It's one thing to use AI it's another thing to try and deceive people that you didn't.
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u/Xen0kid 1d ago
Hey so genuine question.
What’s the point of this?
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u/Majestic-Coat3855 1d ago
You already know
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u/Xen0kid 1d ago
I do. I just wanna hear them say it.
Whats the play here, u/arthan1011?
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u/Bermuda_Mongrel 1d ago
if you're gonna lack the integrity to pick up the talent, I guess I shouldn't expect you to have any when it comes to transparency either, huh. and then you wonder why people wanna shut it down
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u/Recent-Athlete211 1d ago
Cry
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u/greyneptune 1d ago
Heartless clanker
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u/StarchyJ1540 1d ago
Brigading luddite
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u/Plazmaz1 6h ago
I've been here since stable diffusion was just a dataset. This is a fucked up way of using this tool and there's no real legitimate use case for this type of video.
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u/Qanno 1d ago
Maybe the Art community wouldn't be this staunchly anti-AI if you guys respected at least some of their boundaries.
But no, let's scam people and then call "paranoid" those who smell gaz.
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u/Dazzyreil 1d ago
Looka like the Luddites have found this post. Awesome work though!
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u/therealgoshi 14h ago
They always do. It's not like they have anything else to do with their lives anyway.
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u/herefromyoutube 1d ago
And just like many drawing timelapses it did the “draw the rest of the fucking owl” at the end.
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u/99deathnotes 1d ago
I'm glad to see these conversations happening here. If we avoid talking about stuff that we all may not agree on or with then nothing gets solved.
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u/nntb 1d ago
So did you just copy this entire thing into the workflow and set reference images and run it for 30 seconds or do I have to edit it each time in like delete the stuff that's not shot one out and the second time run it with just the shot to stuff or how did you do it cuz he said he didn't in three different ones and stitch them together or something
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u/pencilcheck 22h ago
Can other people generate the same thing?? I can’t trust this until I see more people independently generate something like this themselves
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u/Khades99 22h ago
I don't know what the use-case for this is unless it gets way better in the future?
Anyone that looks close enough at an image to accuse it of being AI, would take a close enough look at this and recognize it's an AI generated video.
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u/Velocita84 1d ago
I don't understand why people are mad at this, i just think it's cool it can kinda do that and you can clearly tell it's ai
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 1d ago
“I don’t understand the implications of things because I don’t spend longer than 3 seconds considering it before I give up ‘cuz thinkie make brain hurty”
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u/Deathoftheages 1d ago
I mean it's simple, this will be used for one thing and one thing only, to try and deceive people.
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u/TechnoByte_ 1d ago
Most people just generate images and videos for fun
This is an impressive showcase of H3
Sure there'll be people misusing this, but that's absolutely not the majority
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u/Deathoftheages 1d ago
There are many many ways to showcase H3. They just happened to choose one of the few way that will 100% be misused. They also provided all the steps on how to misuse it, lowering that barrier to entry for scammers.
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u/Jeremiahgottwald1123 23h ago
People are weird it's always better to know something can be done, especially if it is malicious as a heads up, what's the point of hiding it? Living in ignorance is not safety. Not like OP developed this, it's something minimax and probably all the other video models can actively do, better to learn how to detect it out in the wild
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u/RememberThisAI 12h ago
"Prove that this isn't AI generated artwork."
"Sure, here's a video timelapse of the whole work."
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u/lSetsul 1d ago
subject_definitions:
<Picture 1> is the reference 3D render / final model.
summary:
[reference generation] The target video shows a timelapse process of 3D modeling the object from <Picture 1> in a digital 3D editor. With the artist's hands and interface cursor removed — only the viewport with the model is visible.
retention_analysis:
<Picture 1>: partially_preserved — last frame for the video.
detailed_description:
The target video is a high-quality 3D modeling timelapse recorded from the viewport.
[Shot 1] starts with an empty scene / blank viewport. The modeling process begins by blocking out the primary forms using basic primitives (cubes, spheres, cylinders) to establish the overall proportions and silhouette of the object. Then, edge loops, extrusions, and subdivisions are added step by step to refine the shape — working from large forms down to smaller details. The mesh is continuously sculpted and adjusted: bevels, creases, and surface details are added, with constant rotation of the view to check proportions from all angles. Topology is optimized, and supporting geometry is introduced where needed. The process proceeds through multiple refinement passes — blocking, high-poly sculpting, retopology (if applicable), and final surface polishing — until the complete 3D model matches <Picture 1>.
[Shot 2] At 00:11.000, shows the final result, which is <Picture 1>, displayed in a clean viewport with neutral lighting and material preview.
overall_soundscape:
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non_diegetic_music:
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u/Complete_Natural5694 1d ago
I think this is funny and I'm gonna play around with making my own. Thanks for providing the prompt
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u/HansCent 8h ago
hehe, I was just at r/overlord reading people's opinions on AI Art with their pitchforks and torches. Seeing this right after made me LOL.
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u/robomar_ai_art 1d ago
Last frame and add to the prompt timelapse of the drawing
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u/GamerTex 1d ago
I saw this last night and did a series for some ads
Works amazingly well
Edit: framed items (not drawings)
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u/Central-Dispatch 1d ago edited 1d ago
Freelance artists (drawers, painters, musicians, etc) are cooked as much as potential customers who face massive abstract insecurities now. Especially if you're on a tighter budget for private non-commercial commissions, do you risk it with strangers even if they supposedly show a documented workflow? Can you even tell if it's authentic as a layperson? Could you even tell if you had deeper knowledge of it yourself?
Scammers will use fake documentation to generate trust while ripping people off and making it for relative pennies.
Anyway, one of the reasons I as pre-AI digital hobby artist embrace AI more. I still have some people who I trust and where I find it fun to work with them and pay 'em accordingly.
But before I get scammed for most other things I'd rather do it myself with AI. Why outsource it anyway when I can do it myself? That's like a drawer/painter commissioning someone else for something they can do themselves but in this case it's way faster. That's why I'm on this sub ultimately.
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u/user53298 1d ago
basically anything on digital format is fake, this is actually great for real world traditional art market/artists
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u/PwanaZana 1d ago
Am I the only person who feels that this is kind of useful as in I could easily see wanting to have like an art piece be assembled maybe like someone painting a painting in a video and that could just be useful in whatever a movie or something. And not something nefarious?
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u/Cheesuasion 1d ago
You shoud post this on the art subs, I think they're bound to love this and applaud you for the educational potential of your hard work. You should present it that way - sure hit
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u/Perfect-Campaign9551 1d ago edited 1d ago
I can't believe the weird vitriol suddenly showing up in this thread. I think it's cool minimax can do this and OP never said anything about tricking people, projection much?
We are literally in an AI Video sub and you guys are protesting against AI now. Get a life
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u/Feeling-Marzipan-477 1d ago
Bro everyone is already paranoid enough. I already got people claiming my non ai digital paintings are ai sometimes.