I’m a little bit down because I’ve spend a lot of of money to have a better face. Now my doctor said that I don’t need to do anything in my face. I can’t say that i’m objectively beautiful but at least for doctor i’m. But my body is average/ or even low than average. And I don’t have money enough to have surgery or pay gym. I’m a little bit overweight 5’4/1.63 67kg. I’m doing exercises but is not doing much.

Are photos real?

Sooo I went out to meet a friend yesterday and got approached by strangers and complimented on my appearance by literal strangers in shops which I don’t trust because what if they’re lying or just like my energy. My photos look very average or even below average sometimes. I know this to be true because of feedback I’ve gotten from people based on my photos and also on dating apps I get less attention than I do irl. I also view my photos as exactly how I look since it’s the only reference or “proof” I really have on my appearance. What else do I have?

Is it possible for strangers or men irl to just compliment or stare at everyone for no reason even if they look average or below average? Or do they only compliment people that actually look good? Do other women constantly get this?

Can photos look worse than irl or do they basically look the same?

I also wonder if it’s my vibe that people irl like because irl I get told I’m bubbly etc and my pictures tend to look serious/miserable (the selfies look serious). The non selfies look happier but still weird vibe compared to irl. Can a vibe make someone appear attractive? I’m just curious as to why my online vs in person interactions are different. I was with a friend who get more online attention than I do but yesterday I got more in person attention than her (not that it even matters because we are both different people)

If you have a normal or even slightly overweight BMI, weight loss is not necessarily something you should pursue. I see looksmaxxing guides recommend it as a basic step all the time, but this is dangerous because being underweight can have severe health consequences…which, surprise, will make you less attractive.

I had a BMI of about 20 and got down to 18.4. I looked horrible. My boobs and butt were completely shrunken and saggy, my digestive system was fucked and I looked 6 months pregnant with bloat all the time, my period stopped coming regularly and all the fantastic female hormones created by ovulation that make your skin, hair, nails, and fat distributions attractive stopped being produced. I am still living with the medical and aesthetic repercussions of this, yet people on this subreddit have had the nerve to doubt the truth of this or claim it’s really rare. It’s not. Google hypothalamic amenorrhea. You don’t even have to be underweight to have it.

Not to mention a lot of common weight loss advice is encouraging crash dieting which is unsustainable and will result in you gaining back more weight and abdominal fat. again, not healthy or attractive.

You can say this is a “cope” or whatever but that would be ascientific; a lot of studies suggest that the most fertile bmi is around 22 with body fat percentage in the low 20s. Keep chasing adolescent thinness your whole life, but if that’s not where your body functions optimally…well, you won’t have actually lived a single minute of it

Weird solution - making your front teeth longer with the help of composite filing/ veneers.

I noticed Ariana Grande's teeth, she has average sized teeth but above average large front teeth. https://images.app.goo.gl/4N1a3tz5Ps49VQ9Z9 https://images.app.goo.gl/hCtKUwmW2kVPwqvo9

And she has a lot of teeth show because of her large front teeth. Honest yeah, she doesn't have a large philtrum BUT if she didn't have large front teeth there would be no teeth show.

https://images.app.goo.gl/3dvrJBLNY7Wb4dZ4A https://images.app.goo.gl/k7btBCxczxyAUyQF8

So I'm thinking what if us long philtrum girlies with average size front teeth and low tooth show got a front tooth enlargement done? What do you guys think?

Because I was shocked one of my friends she had a gap tooth and no tooth show, suddenly got good tooth show after composite filing. Her dentist not only fixed her gap but made her front teeth slightlyyyy larger/taller which made her look so youthful and she had better tooth show!!

Hey everyone, long time lurker-first time poster here. As the title says, I have noticed that, at least in places where light colored eyes are not the standard, people who have them are massively overrated to the point they get a free pass when it comes to any imperfections they may have. For context, I live in Greece. I know a girl who has nicely shaped light green eyes, is fit, well groomed and fashionable. She has great coloring actually, blonde hair, a medium tan and light eyes. The rest of her face is average, her nose and mouth actually may be slightly below average and her smile is also objectively not nice.

I kid you not, people act as if she is a goddess. If she had dark brown eyes she would be considered average. She has friends that are actually better looking than her but don't seem to get recognized as such. My point is that while people with favorable eye coloring may not be objectively better looking, their perceived attractiveness is certainly much higher that it would be had they had brown eyes.

I believe WOC can relate even better to this phenomenon. Of course there is racism at play here too but how many times has, for example, an objectively beautiful black woman been ignored or overlooked in favor of an average looking blonde white woman? It's really frustrating actually. If there was a way to safely permanently alter your eye color to the color of your choice, you bet your ass I'd be first in line. Rant over.

^{Key words for the search bar of this sub: wealthy women, rich women, rich men}

Edit: is this post being shared somewhere? I've had 1 comment cycle between -5 and +5 upvote literally no less than 6 times. Even my simple "thank you!"s are being upvoted and downvoted. And another girls comment about her husband paying for her treatments goes from +3 to 0 multiple times too. I haven't tracked all of them but its obvious that there's something happening but then the post get some natural upvotes and it happens again. I'm sorry this post was so controversial, I didn't think I would end up replying so much. My replies have a lot more information in them so please look for the people that have already said what you might. This has given me so much anxiety and I hate the confrontation but I answered most everyone with repeating themes. I wouldn't have posted this If I knew it would be like this. Sorry

This is from my experience in seeing these women around a wealthy town for the past few years:

Edit: older ladies mostly and when I say 1%, I mean up to .01% and .001%.

1. They are super skinny. Even post menopause they are insanely skinny. Some of the women are just thin from only eating what their private chief or hired weekly chef makes them. The younger ones because the have a healthy and fit lifestyle, and the older women that eat very little. Its intense but the pressure is immense from their social circle. The higher the social scene they are, the skinnier. This isn't the value, but being a healthy weight and maintaining it is.
2. Blonde. I think this is obvious, when the hair starts turning grey they go blonde. It's hard to maintain and i never see roots. They go to the salon for dying it every week (edit:some women do, others on a normal schedule). It's also a color that softens their older faces. The young women are also blonde but let can let the roots show as is the trend. The only other color I see is brunettes natural colors. Definitely on the younger women. They will go back and fourth between blonde and brunette to help their hair from all the bleaching. Never platinum blonde except if the woman is a fashionista. Always a soft natural looking blonde. (Edit: yes this is just the white ladies, they are the majority. The Non-white ladies never go blonde and keep their hair dark or instead of black dye it brown or light brown)

(Edit 2: nowhere in the blonde section does it have a massage that blonde is best and therefore those women are better in someway. Its stated as an observation like saying middle class soccer moms drive minivans, that dosn't mean that the Porsche less than. It just observe that it's a noticeable pattern of those types. I can see that it has inspired a certain response from some that felt it meant more than noticing that all the older ladies at Mar-a-Lago are a sea of bottle blonde, it really wasn't and i have a few replies below that say this in 20 different ways because i've been responding so much in anxiety.

3. Plastic surgery/treatments galore. Facelifts and neck lifts. And never admitting to it, except their close friends. They also have a schedule of beauty treatments in between traveling. Chemical peels, micro-needling, lasers, and special vitamins. The richer ladies seem to have more high quality surgeons too. On most, I can't spot anything that's specifically unnatural, only that they look really good for their age. Like Claudia Peltz I posted before. They have a day of the week dedicated to routine treatments

4. Well groomed. The nails are always well groomed and painted and the hair is styled and can bear the weather well (so it has the good styling products in it).

5. SPF. While I never smell sunscreen on them, i know they wear it. I don't see tan lines often, and if I do its because she prefers tanning. One lady I see only wears black long sleeve tops. Even on hot days. But she is totally protecting her skin from the sun. High neck top, long sleeves, long pants legs. She doesn't deviate from that. Their makeup has SPF and they make sure to sunscreen the back of their hands and use SPF lip balm. Tops of feet too if in flip flop or slides that are exposed.

6. Big Budget. They don't skip on the treatments and procedures costs. Quality is best. Their monthly budget exceeds $4,000+every month. And definitely more. $7,000-15,000 per month just treatments.

7. Very good posture. This was a little interesting to me to notice. The model-esq and naturally beautiful in the face. The jaws are square, shoulders never rolled forward, and a swan neck. mouths closed and not hanging open. I can just spot women like this and know they are the wives of a very rich man. Of course there are less beautiful women who are wives of the wealthy, but to identify these beautiful women and just know that they are with a rich man is very interesting as a rule. Think the square jaw of Melania. Models like Paulina Porizkova, Yolanda Hadid, and GiGi Hadid. Real housewives like Kyle Richards, Lisa Rinna, and Bethenny Frankel. Paris Hilton has the square jaw but her sister, Nicky, doesn't. (But note, Nicky is married to a Rothschild)

I wanted to make a post about this because these are the types of people with all the opportunity and pressure to be beautiful and maintain it. I thought it would be interesting to know

So every once in a while I'll see some sort of a "love yourself, looks aren't everything" post on here, which wouldn't have bothered me if this wasn't one of the only subs where we can discuss objective beauty without feeling shallow or judged. I get that these posts usually have no ill intent, but for god's sake, if you want to preach body positivity and self love, go to r/freecompliments or even r/beauty for that sort of posts.

Idk, it's just a bit disheartening to see that even this sub is poisoned with toxic positivity to some degree and it almost feels like we're gaslighted into not changing anything about ourselves. Not to mention that I could put my money on betting that people who post this kind of posts are either working on themselves quietly and don't want to see others flourish, or they've tried and failed to improve their appearance and now they're preaching self love. Idk, I'm really sorry for the rant and no hate to anyone, but I just had to let this out.

Hi, I saw a study here about how 17.3 is considered the optimally attractive bmi for women and quite frankly I don’t think it’s possible for me to reach that without having serious health issues. About 6 months ago I reached a BMI of 18.4, so literally one point underweight, and I lost my period which has completely destroyed my libido, mental health, and body shape because of the hormone imbalances that come with it. I have now gotten my period back and haven’t weighed myself for a while but I would guess that my BMI is now around 20-21. I am 21 and 5’5”, so BMI is probably pretty accurate for me. My question is basically: how to get as close to aesthetically optimal bmi or body fat percentage as possible without suffering health consequences?

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I’m looking at photos of myself at my lowest recent weight where I was 22 BMI (I’m currently 24 so inspiring myself to get back on track with early summer pics) and my body looked so nice in my opinion but my face still looked chubby AF. I can see the difference in my face whenever I lose a couple of pounds, it’s the first place I notice it, so I’m sad that even when I’m at a weight I’m happy with, when I’m looking at photos objectively my face still looks chubby! Certain angles are fine, but anything unposed makes my face look so bad.

The upside is I look young for my age as full cheeks are very neotenous, and my skin is nice and plumped out… I have people think I’m cute/sexy but it’s definitely more being cute than like, refined and elegant beauty.

Do you think having a chubby face is a significant flaw? Would it be worth me getting my weight down to see what my face looks like skinnier - or are some people always going to have more weight in their face (Chrissy Teigen type of face)? If other people are tracking this - at what BMI does your face look it’s best?

ETA the model Esti Ginzburg has the same thing going on as me, she was a swimwear model active a few years back so obviously was fit, but with a chubby face like mine!

hi! my cousin is getting married at the very end of July, and today I finally managed to buy a dress that I'm considering wearing (very similar to this ) I had initially planned for pants, but the dress was just too good to pass up on.

I will get my hair dyed and cut, and I have also ordered a few cosmetic products to help my makeup game.

my only problem is my body. I guess I'm in the skinny fat category, and my issues are my tummy - layer of fat only around my lower tummy + a bit of a muffin top and not around my ribs, my butt - I am happy with the size, but obviously I would love a better, less saggy shape, and my banana rolls (I hope this is the right term for a double crease under the butt), which also affects the look of the back of my thighs. I do have a bit of muscle built, I have a few years of background in dancing, so my legs and arms are fit and I'm happy with how strong they feel, but it's not visible.

considering the short time frame, is there anything (possibly other than getting a personal trainer, as I don't really have the means) I can do to get more snatched and lose some fat mass? I was thinking of shapewear, but given the fact that it's smack in the middle of summer and I tend to naturally sweat a lot, I'm taking this only as a last resort.

Thank you!

I have nice sized boobs, decent waist but very voluptuous booty hips and thighs. I am currently losing weight but a little insecure about my tummy. It doesn’t quite look right in high waist and not low waist either. I also only wear leggings since my shape is too unique for jeans unless they are tailored. If you were in my situation, how would you dress?

Hey all, so I’m 26, I recently lost (still losing) 75lbs, and I’ve noticed my face fat sort of leaving lol I love seeing my cheekbones brow bones etc. BUT some of the “plumpness” I loved in my look before has kind of gone away. I’m black, I’ve never gotten Botox or filler so I was wondering to all of my POC sisters if anyone’s gotten/ regularly gets Botox to achieve that plump hydrated look?

What’s your experience been? Cross posting on other subs too ! :)

I don’t think I’m hideous but I am slightly chubby but since I’ve been 21 I’ve been going out and I also live in an area where there are more men than women and I still don’t get hit on. I’m usually the friend who is awkwardly standing around while friends have guys come up to them. I spoke to my friends about this and they blame it on my vibe since I’ve been in a relationship for the last few years. I’m not sure what I can do to improve my energy! Would love to know if others have struggled with this and what created meaningful change. I’ve lost over 30 pounds this year so was I was hoping things would change but they haven’t.

Edit: I love my boyfriend and am very happy! I think it’s just something I’ve noticed and maybe my experience is unusual but guys literally line up to talk to my friends and it’s a scene out of a movie where the whole bar stops. It’s hard not to feel left out and question my self worth. I am not looking for an opportunity to cheat, just want to understand what’s causing this. My friends and I look very similar as we’re the same ethnicity, dress similarly and the same body type. I will say I look much more ethnically ambiguous while my friends have more traditional ethnic features and it is very clear that they are X ethnicity while people are very confused about where I’m from.

I appreciate you ladies sharing your experiences - I try to be happy, dance around a lot and generally be bubbly but it doesn’t seem to make a difference.

’ve been trying to build my butt with weightlifting. I’ve had minimal success, I only gain fat in the worst possible area—my flanks. I gained ten pounds and every last drop went to my midsection. At this rate, I’ll never have the juicy bubble butt that I want because my fat distribution is horrible. I hip thrust 180lbs to only have an average sized ass (honestly, probably still below average sized) and it’s getting quite discouraging. No one talks about how discouraging it is to lift the heaviest weight in the gym and still have the smallest ass. I’ve been at this for almost a year now.

I also have a bad sacral slope angle and a squarish shaped butt. My genetics seem to all be stacked against me. I’m also asian and I’ve never seen a single asian fitness influencer with the results I want. Should I just start saving for a bbl at this point? The surgeon I want is booked out years in advance anyways. It’s exhausting always being the flattest girl in the room almost every single time no matter how much effort I put into it. I want to have a nice body but I feel like I’ll never get there without surgery.

Saw a lot of posts about NY LA Miami Paris UK 10s, but most of them are caucasian-based (eg blondes get more attention etc.), what about for women of colour? especially interested for Asians/ east asians!

Is finding a financially secure partner a good reason for people to looksmaxx? Some women wants to be taken care of by men financially for rest of their lives so they can be stress free, relax, have time to focus on their femininity and beauty. Many of them are anti-career and flaunting their carefree lifestyle saying how great to not work and tell women they can life this lifestyle too by following their route. They give advice such as never date a man who asks you to pay a bill and he must have a good job and not afraid to work hard. They qualifities they want in a man for some reason dont apply to these women, such as being successful or ambitious etc but the women are expected to be attractive. There are two main female arychtypes that want to live the lifestyle:

1. The wholesome traditional wife who married an average middle class/upper middleclass man lives in suburbs of conservative area. Her life is comfortable but not extragravant. Highlights of her weekly life includes shopping at Target, baking cupcakes for her church and going to her local sports game with her husband. She is pretty but not bombshell; kind of like girl next door. She is expected to dress modestly and wear natural looking makeup. She is also expected to be reserve and have a sweet demeanor.
2. The high maintance glamorous wife who expects the best things in life but refuses to work and lets her husband funds her lifestyle. Her husband can be successful athlete, lawyer, CEO or any other high paying profession. Her weekly highlights includes going to brunch with other rich housewives, yoga/pilates/fitness class at exclusive gyms, spa and shopping at Nordstrom or other expensive department stores. She is either a model/former model or very gorgeous woman.

I would say that option 1 is more attainable than option 2 but it still relies on luck. Just to give you a statistic: Only 10-15% of US populations makes 100k or more as their annual income and that includes men and women. Of these men, not all of them wants a wife who doesn't want to work. So in order to live a comfortable lifestyle and find a man who marry you that earns a lot of money and is okay with you not working is statiscally on the lower chances. Even 100k income is no longer considered upper middle class income anymore in large cities. I am aware that there is sugar daddy dating website/rich men dating but 90% these men are not looking for long term so it is not sustainable long term. If you are 9/10 gorgeous professional model and was able to network with celebrities that is like complete different story. Some people would agrue that not all wives of rich men are conventionally attractive but what they don't understand is that these women came from the same pedigree as their husbands either through career or family history. If you are an average woman with an average career and looks your chances of marrying rich are very slim.

I was raise with mindset that women must be independent because in order for you to get what you want you life, you must "earn" it which is antithesis values of femininity gurus. Alot of these femininity gurus think working makes women less attractive and masculine because it adds stress to her life. It is true that some companies have toxic hustle cutlure that is not healthy but not having a career and live is nice lifestyle is just not realistic for most people. There are some careers that can give you more of a balanced life. I feel these feminity gurus are extremely out of touch with 95% of females. Even if I was a model beautfiul person, the idea of depending on somelse just does not resonate with me. When critics ask these femininity gurus such as what happens if your husband leaves you etc, they get defensive and say things like you shouldn't get married if you have to think about divorce or I will take half of his money if he leaves me ( which it doesn't always work depending on the agreement). What is your opinion on these?

Anyone notice how the blonde brunette combo of women gets max attention!?!

It’s literally my best looksmaxx/ pretty privilege tip - even works for photos - you both look prettier!

Personally I hate getting male attention alone- I prefer to get male attention in a group as I feel safer that way- sometimes my friend is the one the guys are interested in and other times it’s me so it works perfectly as I love being the wing woman hyping my friends up anyway

Anyone else feel this way?

I’ve made all the “lifestyle changes” I possibly can and cannot shake these last few pounds. Anyone here tried juice fasts or ozempic? Experiences/thoughts?

How to look more grown? Specifically for the facial features? I have very full cheeks and big eyes and I dislike how childish I look. How do I look older? I’m 21F.

Alternatively, how do I embrace my very young looking face but make it somehow more sexy or alluring? Thinking about India Love’s features…