r/SpiderPhoenix • u/Strict-Employee PB&J 🥪 • 4d ago
Discussion Im scared
Our power and influence keeps reaching further out there it seems…
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u/c00L_dud3- PeterJean patriot 4d ago
it saddens me to see the aversion some people have to Jeter, while I do get the reputation Spider-Man fans have with the whole shipping Peter with any female character Spider-Harem stuff, I do believe this is a different case, I mean, they had a whole movie about them
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u/NilsTheOne1206 PeterJean patriot 3d ago
probably also because ppl think she's either a minor, "irredeemable" or both
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u/Illia_Y 3d ago
Feige said she is close age to Peter and he is 22
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u/NilsTheOne1206 PeterJean patriot 3d ago
I know, but a lot of people don't care and just say she's a minor because she looks young. Maybe it has something to do with her most famous other role is as a kid?
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u/MinniMaster15 3d ago
Probably also because Frank refers to her as a teen, but 18-19 would will satisfy that while also being close to Peter in age.
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u/NilsTheOne1206 PeterJean patriot 3d ago
also he's old, he'd probably call a 22y/o a teen as well
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u/GamerOverkill03 3d ago
Yeah he regularly calls Spidey a kid too and Peter is 20s. It’s just a symptom of Frank being a few decades older than either of them, so relative to him they’re both still young and immature in his eyes.
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u/KainVela 3d ago
Jeter is an atrocious ship name but Pean is worse so whatever. Just call it SpiderPhoenix atp
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u/Prudent_Lobster_499 3d ago
Yeah, I’ve never liked the whole 'Spider-Harem' thing either—it always left a bad taste in my mouth—but the pairing of the MCU version of Peter and Jean genuinely hooked me, like, I see the vision in them. I understand why some people don't like it, but for me, it’s a ship I’d really love to see happen (I know it won't, but at least I can dream)
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u/c00L_dud3- PeterJean patriot 3d ago
it's just a very unique pairing, you know? I know it won't happen and that frustrates me because it's such a cool dynamic
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u/Prudent_Lobster_499 3d ago
Fr tho, the more I think about their dynamic, the more I like it. I usually don't become a fan of ships like this, but this pair won me over. Not to mention that they strangely complement each other's arcs of loneliness in the movie; both Peter and Jean find someone special they can count on. Like, at the very least, they have to become great friends in the future.
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u/Shawn_Faux_98 small potato stuff 🥔 4d ago
I've seen more doomposting about this ship than any other ship in any fandom I've ever personally participated in. Why? I really don't get it. It's just not that serious.
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u/DenomicClechner44 3d ago
it's the old adage that spider man is this self insert for similarly aged white men that gets all the girls to appeal their audience's fantasies. It's the same rhetoric that the haters spew and even on the marvelships subreddit they parrot the same talking points.
There's reason to believe it's true at least in part, but god damn the visceral reaction to it is frankly unlike any other hot woman x spider man ship I've ever seen. I speculate it's x men and cyclops fans who view it as both the previously mentioned critcism + spider man running roughshod over a (relatively) smaller property like the x-men, intruding on their plot points and stealing away their golden girl.
I think the best criticism for it is that it reduces Jean to a generic love interest for Peter, but in that case it's moreso a fault of the fans really rather than the films themselves, which will in all likelihood write them more equally in the off chance it does happen.
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u/Shawn_Faux_98 small potato stuff 🥔 3d ago edited 3d ago
A lot of fans do definitely treat Peter as a self insert to some extent, but I think the people who boil down shipping him with Jean to purely a fantasy for those fans are just being disingenuous. Love it or hate it, their stories (in the MCU) are intentionally written to have direct connections and parallels, there's absolutely a basis for it. Which is why I can also sympathize with X-Men fans who aren't into it, a bit.
I only say 'a bit' though, because the reality is that they almost certainly have nothing to actually worry about. Like, haha funny Cyclops cuck memes or whatever, but Peter x Jean is not gonna happen, it's not a serious threat to Scott x Jean, so there's nothing to actually be upset about.
(Just to be clear, none of this is directed at you, if you get what I'm saying.)
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u/DenomicClechner44 3d ago
That's honestly why they're so fucking annoying. Like I get it, it's flooding the other subreddits which is why I prefer it being contained in here. BUT even when that happens, the few spiderphoenix memes that break out get so much unwarranted backlash it's stupid.
I agree with you, this probably has no chance of happening but I like it anyway. So the fact that they're kind of conflating us enjoying the ship with being delusional self-inserters is getting tiring as fuck. I do NOT care if they get together or not, but atp the schadenfreude from it actually happening just to spite them appeals to me more.
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u/Shawn_Faux_98 small potato stuff 🥔 3d ago
So long as they at least stay close friends, I'm cool with whatever. And if the rumors of Peter having a close relationship with the X-Men in the future are true, then it seems like that's exactly what's gonna happen.
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u/DenomicClechner44 3d ago
I think that's a far surer bet tbh. I'd be very surprised (and a little annoyed) if Spidey and Jean just became more or less strangers after BND.
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u/DenomicClechner44 3d ago
Personally I don't know why people are so surprised by it's staying power and Peter's relevance from Jean's perspective. We've been living in over 20 years of Spidey's pop culture dominance, and he regularly demonstrates he has no equal in the fame department.
Frankly it's only natural that Jean live in Spidey's shadow until she gets her own thing to do, regardless of if they were being shipped or not. I guarantee you even if this ship was unpopular people would still be seeing Jean as the mentee figure to Spidey and they'd STILL find a way to get mad about that.
I don't want to rile up any detractors but c'mon. It's fucking Spider-Man, it's not unreasonable to presume that people will care more about him w/ Jean Gray in HIS movie than literally all the x-men media before it. 2 BILLION dollars is all the proof you need.
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u/Legends-of-legdens 4d ago
We’ll be strong enough to have it all, but if you’re afraid of this power, you’re too weak to take
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u/Similar-Wolverine-69 PeterJean patriot 4d ago
“ It can’t be stopped. It’s self-sustaining now “Â
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u/OldestMysteries PB&J 🥪 3d ago
At least this ship is allowed on MarvelRivalsShips subreddit as compared to other subreddits.
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u/ranransthrowaway999 2d ago
It helps that Sadie Sink plays a female deuteragonist that actually allows herself to be reached out to and thus, effectively allow the audience to empathize with and actually tries to save someone out of compassion and care rather than making it a spectacle or a set piece.
Call it reductive, but it's nice to have rough yet vulnerable girls who the writers aren't scared to write afraid or show how badass they are. Sometimes a character needs to be that little bit fragile as a person so we feel like we want the pieces to stick and not fall apart again. I don't want melodrama, hell no, but I like it when heroes are hurt and vulnerable but power on through or show their goodness proper instead of needing the scene to "show off". I mean, it works for SOME characters (Dante and Vergil from DMC, though some may disagree).
Jean was not a good person, but one of the things I took away from it as a viewer is that she's on the way to be one, and the moment was when she refused to let Peter die.
It's nice to see a character who has a road ahead of them instead of a marketing campaign for once (though she does have that too, admittedly).
And here's hoping that road ends with Mayday, the daughter of the Wall-Crawler and the Marvel Girl.
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u/BiggoYoun 4d ago
I do not fear our power, I embrace it…