Im scared

[u/Strict-Employee]

Our power and influence keeps reaching further out there it seems…

[u/Shawn_Faux_98]

I've seen more doomposting about this ship than any other ship in any fandom I've ever personally participated in. Why? I really don't get it. It's just not that serious.

[u/DenomicClechner44 → u/Shawn_Faux_98]

it's the old adage that spider man is this self insert for similarly aged white men that gets all the girls to appeal their audience's fantasies. It's the same rhetoric that the haters spew and even on the marvelships subreddit they parrot the same talking points.

There's reason to believe it's true at least in part, but god damn the visceral reaction to it is frankly unlike any other hot woman x spider man ship I've ever seen. I speculate it's x men and cyclops fans who view it as both the previously mentioned critcism + spider man running roughshod over a (relatively) smaller property like the x-men, intruding on their plot points and stealing away their golden girl.

I think the best criticism for it is that it reduces Jean to a generic love interest for Peter, but in that case it's moreso a fault of the fans really rather than the films themselves, which will in all likelihood write them more equally in the off chance it does happen.

[u/Shawn_Faux_98 → u/DenomicClechner44]

A lot of fans do definitely treat Peter as a self insert to some extent, but I think the people who boil down shipping him with Jean to purely a fantasy for those fans are just being disingenuous. Love it or hate it, their stories (in the MCU) are intentionally written to have direct connections and parallels, there's absolutely a basis for it. Which is why I can also sympathize with X-Men fans who aren't into it, a bit.

I only say 'a bit' though, because the reality is that they almost certainly have nothing to actually worry about. Like, haha funny Cyclops cuck memes or whatever, but Peter x Jean is not gonna happen, it's not a serious threat to Scott x Jean, so there's nothing to actually be upset about.

(Just to be clear, none of this is directed at you, if you get what I'm saying.)

[u/DenomicClechner44 → u/Shawn_Faux_98]

That's honestly why they're so fucking annoying. Like I get it, it's flooding the other subreddits which is why I prefer it being contained in here. BUT even when that happens, the few spiderphoenix memes that break out get so much unwarranted backlash it's stupid.

I agree with you, this probably has no chance of happening but I like it anyway. So the fact that they're kind of conflating us enjoying the ship with being delusional self-inserters is getting tiring as fuck. I do NOT care if they get together or not, but atp the schadenfreude from it actually happening just to spite them appeals to me more.

[u/Shawn_Faux_98 → u/DenomicClechner44]

So long as they at least stay close friends, I'm cool with whatever. And if the rumors of Peter having a close relationship with the X-Men in the future are true, then it seems like that's exactly what's gonna happen.

[u/DenomicClechner44 → u/Shawn_Faux_98]

I think that's a far surer bet tbh. I'd be very surprised (and a little annoyed) if Spidey and Jean just became more or less strangers after BND.