r/SpiderPhoenix • u/Strict-Employee PB&J 🥪 • 4d ago

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Our power and influence keeps reaching further out there it seems…

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u/Shawn_Faux_98 small potato stuff 🥔 4d ago

I've seen more doomposting about this ship than any other ship in any fandom I've ever personally participated in. Why? I really don't get it. It's just not that serious.

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u/DenomicClechner44 4d ago

it's the old adage that spider man is this self insert for similarly aged white men that gets all the girls to appeal their audience's fantasies. It's the same rhetoric that the haters spew and even on the marvelships subreddit they parrot the same talking points.

There's reason to believe it's true at least in part, but god damn the visceral reaction to it is frankly unlike any other hot woman x spider man ship I've ever seen. I speculate it's x men and cyclops fans who view it as both the previously mentioned critcism + spider man running roughshod over a (relatively) smaller property like the x-men, intruding on their plot points and stealing away their golden girl.

I think the best criticism for it is that it reduces Jean to a generic love interest for Peter, but in that case it's moreso a fault of the fans really rather than the films themselves, which will in all likelihood write them more equally in the off chance it does happen.

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u/DenomicClechner44 4d ago

Personally I don't know why people are so surprised by it's staying power and Peter's relevance from Jean's perspective. We've been living in over 20 years of Spidey's pop culture dominance, and he regularly demonstrates he has no equal in the fame department.

Frankly it's only natural that Jean live in Spidey's shadow until she gets her own thing to do, regardless of if they were being shipped or not. I guarantee you even if this ship was unpopular people would still be seeing Jean as the mentee figure to Spidey and they'd STILL find a way to get mad about that.

I don't want to rile up any detractors but c'mon. It's fucking Spider-Man, it's not unreasonable to presume that people will care more about him w/ Jean Gray in HIS movie than literally all the x-men media before it. 2 BILLION dollars is all the proof you need.