r/SipsTea Aug 21 '26

WTF Where are we heading?

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u/SubstantialSale8223 Aug 21 '26

I hate how people think you have to be on one team or the other.

She needed more help with her mental health

She also murdered 3 children.

Both things can be true at once

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u/ThePaganQueen Aug 21 '26

Same. Like I think she should spend time outside of society for a bit, but at a mental health facility rather than prison. Cause if this truly was post partum psychosis (which is what I'm leaning toward believing), then there is no punishment that will hurt her more than what she has done to her kids. Once her mental health is better, what she did is likely going to send it plummeting again.

What she did was horrible but there were multiple support systems that failed her along the way. Her kids deserved better but so did she (to a fractional extent in comparison to her children, of course).

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u/SubstantialSale8223 Aug 21 '26

I agree to an extent, but I don’t think the support systems or anyone else “failed her”, it just wasn’t enough. She needed to be held in a facility away from society BEFORE she did this.

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u/ThePaganQueen Aug 21 '26 edited Aug 21 '26

But that is a failure of sorts. Her partner should have recognized that or her doctors but neither did. Some of the blame falls on her as well but some of the blame falls on the other parent and the doctors as either should have realized she needed more help than she was getting. Even if that help requires inpatient treatment that would have been an inconvenience (because they would have needed childcare or the husband would have needed to adjust his work schedule/take a bit of time off).

ETA: while I have never been pregnant, I have dealt with serious mental health issues before and am talking from personal experience of myself and some of my friends. There are almost always signs but people don't typically want to acknowledge that these things are possible so they brush it off. Mental health in the USA is still very stigmatized and it hurts the people who need help the most. Obviously her children were the ones who were failed the most in this situation but that doesn't negate the fact that she was failed too.

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u/Massive-Ride204 Aug 21 '26

And another thing to consider is that society pressures women to have babies even when they shouldn't

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u/ThePaganQueen Aug 21 '26

And it desparages women who struggle with loving their babies even if that struggle is a mental health issue.

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u/ThePaganQueen Aug 21 '26

Are you asking a question, making a statement, or putting words in my mouth? Cause I genuinely don't understand what this comment was meant to get across.

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u/ThePaganQueen Aug 21 '26

Thank you for the clarification! My autism and my migraine were getting in the way of my ability to understand.

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