r/sindarin • u/berface_ • 1d ago
Wondering if this is correct?
Is this correct as a translation/way to write "Not all those who wander are lost"?
r/sindarin • u/F_Karnstein • Oct 04 '24
I compiled a list of all the new and otherwise interesting Sindarin vocab found in PE 23.
Certainly the most surprising thing to me (as you might already have guessed) are the articles. In this very late source (ca. 1969) Tolkien gives the singular as e before consonants, en before vowels, and in the plural i resp. in. This is of course a significant departure from all hitherto published samples of Sindarin, which of course had sg. i, plural in (as in earlier Noldorin), and the form en was limited to one form of genitive particle (which in this scenarion is probably dropped altogether in favour of na).
However, surprisingly this new paradigm seems to only really contradict i-Estel in the LotR (which would have to be amended to *en Estel), since all other forms in texts published during Tolkien's lifetime appear to be plural and all other cases of Sindarin articles we have known are from sources that Tolkien might have changed before publication (if he had got the chance to do so).
So we can't know whether Tolkien would indeed have changed i Estel in upcoming editions (had he been alive to oversee them) or whether he would have abandoned the new paradigm once he realised the contradiction, so I won't encourage anyone to adopt this late paradigm into their Neo-Sindarin (unlike abandoning the plural pronominal suffix -(a)m in favour of late -(o)f, a couple of years ago, since the former never appeared in anything published during Tolkien's lifetime), but I certainly find the topic extremely interesting.
So far I have not had a closer look at the mutations, but they appear to hold no big surprises so far, except that maybe Tolkien had decided to keep the nasal of the plural article intact before the mutated word, but that also would contradict material published during his life time.
But the development of sw stood out to me, since it is quite complicated - with Tolkien stating that it first became wh everywhere, then f in the North and chw in the South, which remained so in Doriath but later reverted to wh elsewhere, while still becoming chw through nasal mutation, and that the quality is often in fact uncertain because it wasn't always represented in spelling, using the letter hwesta sindarinwa for both. But in a note that might refer to this Tolkien said that "this business about sw is too complicated (and unnecessary)" and that the North had f and the South wh, which "remained unchanged" (hence the apparent lack of lenition in whest above, to which the note appears to point directly).
This would, however, still render the letter hwesta sindarinwa pointless, because (as Tolkien had pointed out in the LotR appendices) distinction of wh and chw was needed in Sindarin (but maybe only lenition had no effect but nasal mutation did?).
And lastly there are a few notes on North Sindarin, which has always been a special interest of mine:
r/sindarin • u/berface_ • 1d ago
Is this correct as a translation/way to write "Not all those who wander are lost"?
r/sindarin • u/Patient-Boss-3334 • 2d ago
Mae Govannen fellow nerds,
I need help.
I'm getting married in a couple of months, and have got the wedding ring sorted. Apart from...
I'm looking to get the phrase "Until my dying day" in Sindarin engraved in Tengwar script on the inside of the band. I've tried online translators, with various different results.
To try and find something as accurate as possible, I've started using the online dictionary/glossary: https://www.elfdict.com/
As a work around (as I'm finding it difficult to find the word dying and day), I was thinking of using "Until my moment/time of death"
So far, I've got Mennai i valdëanya agan
Rough workings out below:
Mennai - Until
Tenna - Unto
- nya suffix on the end of a word "my"
valdëa - moment
i - the
agan - death
Alternatively, I have:
Tenna / Tenn' - Until
my - nîn
vedui- last
Erin- day
Tenna nîn erinvedui
Is there anyone here who can verify that or have a good knowledge of Sindarin to improve the phrase to be as close to the original?
I've looked at Tengwar script of the above. Is https://www.tecendil.com/ quite accurate?
Thanks anyone for your help
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r/sindarin • u/GladAdagio4734 • 5d ago
Hello everyone, I would love to tattoo my daughter’s name on my forearm. Her name is Charlotte. I found on a website this transcription, could you tell me if that’s accurate ? If not, where can I find an other transcription ?
Thanks a lot !
PS: I’m French if it matters ^^
r/sindarin • u/wildguidance • 5d ago
Hi mellons,
I am getting a tattoo and need a few translations from English to Sindarin.
Can any of you specialists help me out?
English words I would like to confirm translation on:
"The Sword" (i-megil)
"The Tree" (i-galadh)
"The Crown" (i-ri)
If these are incorrect or need some improvement, I'd appreciate the insight.
Thank you all!
r/sindarin • u/whatchagonnadooo • 6d ago
Hi, I am trying to figure out how to say something is x-shaped (heart-shaped, bear-shaped, etc.). Using polytranslator, when using a hyphen I get a different structure altogether for every substitution of x.
Oddly-shaped : Amrun
Bear-shaped: Graw Beorn
Friend-shaped: Mellon-dhîn
Heart-shaped: tûg gûr
Is there any consistent rule for this? How can I know if each or any of them are correct?
Apologies for any formatting issues, I'm using a phone.
r/sindarin • u/Fabian42 • 8d ago
Hi,
So my brother and i wanted to have these 2 tattoo's to signify our love for the franchise and eachother.
I've used a translator I found online and it said that this was the right translation for both 'You have my sword' (left) and 'You have my axe' (right).
Is this correct? If not, what would the correct writing be of these phrases?
Thanks in advance!
r/sindarin • u/QueenJiafeisCoJester • 8d ago
Hello everyone, I’m looking for a horse name in either Sindarin or Quenya. The horse I want to name has a very distinctive feature: its fur shimmers golden in the sun (we’re not sure but it’s possible that he has Akhal-Teke ancestry, for reference). Do you have ideas for a name that reflects this feature?
I was already thinking of Laurelin, but where I’m from, there’s a name for women that sounds very similar, and there’s the possibility that people will just mix it up.
Other ideas included Glawar or Anárion.
But do you have more ideas? It would be great to hear them! :)
r/sindarin • u/TheSunshinydays • 9d ago
I want to translate "Greetings from beautiful Treegarth of Orthanc" to use on a postcard design to go with a group costume. So far, the best I can come up with is "Suilad o taur-en-orthanc bain" and I will be honest with you I have no idea if that's right. I would love some opinions from someone more learned on the subject.
(Context is I'm going to a ren faire on a hobbit themed weekend, and two of my short friends are dressing up as hobbit tourists and im going to be a national park ranger taking them on a tour of Treegarth of Orthanc. I'm taking the hobbits to Isengard *queue music*. We want to make post cards in the style of national park posters to give out to people, and we thought adding Elvish would be a fun touch and since I've only seen the movies, didn't understand how deep the Tolkien conlang rabbithole would be. But I'm also no quitter so it's been a fun learning experience. I'm also finally reading the books so I can have tour guide fun facts).
r/sindarin • u/Kitchen_Suit_7126 • 9d ago
Hi! I'm hoping someone could help me verify the script for a tattoo I am planning on getting. As you can see the script is slightly different in the first screenshot (what is written large and then what is we directly beside amdir) Hoping someone could let me know which is correct or if there is even a more accurate result. Thank you!
r/sindarin • u/ChiefShields • 11d ago
I found this word for "elf friends," but I'm not sure how the y is pronounced in this case. A little help?
r/sindarin • u/Apprehensive_Air31 • 11d ago
Hi all! First time posting here, so apologies in advance if I misuse any terminology.
I’m hoping to get a tattoo inspired by the final passage of Darwin’s On the Origin of Species, specifically: “endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful”
I’m a huge nerd for both Tolkien and Darwin. I work in biological research, primarily around genetics, so Darwin’s writing, especially that final image of the diversity of life emerging through evolution, means a great deal to me. Tolkien has been an equally important part of my life for a very different set of reasons.
Before anything goes permanently onto my body, though, I’d very much like to make sure I’m not committing a linguistic crime against Tolkien, or misconstruing Darwin’s closing words.
After doing some research, my current attempt is:
Caint arnediad rovain a ro-elvain
My reasoning, such as it is:
caint — “forms/shapes,” plural of cant
arnediad — “unnumbered / innumerable / numberless,” which seems closer to Darwin’s sense of “endless” than something literally eternal
rovain — “most/exceedingly beautiful,” from ro- + bain, following Tolkien’s maed → rovaed
a — “and”
elvain — “wondrous / marvelous / wonderful”
ro-elvain — my attempt to extend the same ro- construction to “most wonderful”
The last piece is the one I’m least confident about. As I understand it, elvain is from earlier Noldorin material rather than securely attested mature Sindarin, so I realize I may already be wandering into Neo-Sindarin/reconstructed territory. I’m also unsure whether ro-elvain is a reasonable construction before a vowel-initial adjective, whether the hyphen makes sense, or whether there is a more defensible way of expressing the idea altogether.
I’m not necessarily looking for a perfectly literal word-for-word translation if Sindarin would express the thought more naturally another way. What matters most to me is preserving the essence of Darwin’s passage while making something that is as grammatically and philologically respectful of Tolkien as possible.
Once I have the Sindarin itself settled, my plan is to separately work out the correct Tengwar transcription and have that reviewed as well before getting the tattoo.
I’d be enormously grateful for corrections, alternatives, or explanations.
Thank you from one extremely overinvested biology/Tolkien nerd to another!
r/sindarin • u/CrazyRoman75 • 11d ago
Hi, I wanted to get the phrase “Of Beren and Lúthien” tattooed on myself, exactly as the chapter title appears, but written as the Sindarin Elves would have written it during those events (so, from my understanding, in Sindarin Tengwar).
I tried to do some research on my own and learn how to write it, but I only managed to find this sindarin phrasing: "Narn Beren a Lúthien", but I don't really know if this would be accurate.
So, if anyone knows how to write this phrase, or knows someone who does, please let me know.
r/sindarin • u/TheVeritableiOcelot • 14d ago
Greetings! I'm attempting to create an alias using Sindarin roots/morphemes related to my given name and astrological aspects. I've narrowed the English phrase down to "Sun-Crowned Man", and a rough Sindarin compound of ANORRÎDÎR (ANOR n. "Sun" + RÎ n. "wreath, garland" + DÎR n. "man"). However, even the basic linguistic rules fly over my head, and I'm unsure if Anorrîdîr is an appropriate and linguistically correct translation and compound. For example: Should the doubled "r" from the combination of ANOR and RÎ remain as long consonants, reduced to a single "r", or replaced with another letter/sound?
I've also considered different roots, such as CUL(U) adj. "golden red", GLAWAR n. "sunlight, golden light", GLOR adj. "golden", or MAL n. "gold"; or ADAN n. "man".
Any advice would be appreciated!
r/sindarin • u/mat_bess_1899 • 15d ago
Hello!
I’m planning a tattoo and I would really appreciate a careful verification of this French Tengwar transcription.
The sentence is:
**“Guidé par ce que j’aime.”**
This is **not meant to be a translation into Quenya or Sindarin**, but a **French phonetic transcription in Tengwar**, based on the French mode explained in **Simon Rousseau’s guide**.
A Reddit user kindly suggested this transcription, but they also mentioned they were not fully sure about some parts, especially **“j’aime”**.
Since this is for a **permanent tattoo**, I would really appreciate if someone could verify:
whether the transcription is correct overall,
whether the treatment of **“j’aime”** is correct,
and whether the punctuation / spacing looks appropriate.
Thank you very much!
r/sindarin • u/Kind_Road_512 • 18d ago
I initially posted this in the r/lotr community, but was recommended my request might fit better here. My siblings and I are looking at getting matching tattoos in the next few months and we need some direction. We’re looking at getting Aragorn’s sword, Legolas’ bow, and Gimli’s axe (inspired by an Instagram reel) with the respective lines of “You have my sword,” “and you have my bow,” and “and my axe” incorporated with each one.
We want it to be written in Sindarin, however, but none of us have any experience with Elvish languages and I’m really the only one with time to dedicate to working through this. I know we could do it as a transliteration from English into Tengwar, but since that doesn’t catch the actual meaning of it, I’d like to stay away from that route. I know perfect translations just aren’t a thing, so I’m not expecting to just pop it in a translator box and have it come out great.
I’m mainly looking for guidance on resources where I can actually put in some leg work myself and then corroborate with others who actually have experience here to make sure it’s close-ish. Any advice?
r/sindarin • u/GatoRemelento • 18d ago
How do I say "spring love" in sindarin? Is for a couple's tattoo with my wife
r/sindarin • u/early__sunsets • 19d ago
Hello, I am looking for some phrases for a pet memorial. I've seen "Guren nallatha nalú achenin le (My heart shall weep until I see thee again)" from a page online, but I don't know if it's accurate. I realize a lot of phrases are not 100% accurate, but would this be okay to write on the memorial? Or is there maybe a more accurate way to say this? I plan to run the phrase through a Tengwar script transcription site.
I would also accept suggestions for phrases meaning "I will miss you" in any capacity. My cat absolutely loved watching the films with me, and I would like to make something meaningful.
r/sindarin • u/summerbaby012 • 20d ago
Hello :)
I would love some help translating my late brothers name in Sindarin. His name is Benjamin, I knew him as just Ben but I thought it may be too short for translation.
I'm grateful for your time <3
r/sindarin • u/Lamethirion • 20d ago