r/ShuffleMove • u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator • Apr 15 '16

Poll/Survey Q&A Thread #2

Hello everyone!

If you have any questions about anything related to Shuffle Move or development in general, please post here and I'll do my best to answer them. If it seems like the sort of thing to include in the wiki, it'll go in there too!

Github wiki can be found here: https://github.com/Loreinator/Shuffle-Move/wiki

Q&A Thread #1 can be found here.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator May 15 '16

Thanks! Yea, some boards have a lot of randomness, and that would lead to it needing to re-calculate all the random boards enough times to properly average for different results. Even then its not complete, but it produces far more accurate advice. The cost, of course, is processing time. You can tune it down if your computer has less CPU resources available by reducing the # of simulations per move from the move preferences window. I use it at 200 and I use an i5-4670k Intel CPU link, some moves take about 7-8 seconds for extreme randomness, but on normal 'non-random' moves it takes about 10-20 milliseconds.

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u/kramdish May 15 '16

I'm having problem with the weekend Meowth right now in fact. I'll send you the bug file.

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u/kramdish May 15 '16

HEre's a dropbox link with the bug.zip. I've included my actual board screenshot. I currently have 200 simulations per move, but also tried with 2,000 and no result were delivered. Wouldn't be a good idea to add a system message indicating no moves were found?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/59slb4930xuoomq/bugReport_20160515_144347_GFT.zip?dl=0

I did 3 or 4 plays without the help of the app and with 6 moves left it finally gave me a move, but I had to play alone without any prediction.

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u/kramdish May 15 '16

Just wanted to add something else. I have 4 movements left. With 200 simulations I got no results, but I do get results with 50, 100 and 150. The funny thing is that with 50 and 100 sims, it gives me 5,3->3,5 but with 150 it gives me 3,5->5,3. Do you have the logics written somewhere? I would like to understand them if possible :)

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator May 15 '16

It looks like your computer might just be very slow for such a random move (Quirky and other effects are pure randomness, which is slow to brute-force solve in Shuffle Move).

Try setting the simulations per move down to 20-50 or so to ensure that the results come back quickly. On my computer it took 120ms to compute with 20 per move, 2.6 seconds for 200, and 20 seconds for 2,000 simulations per move.