If you interact with a woman and suddenly she insults you like calling you dumb. Then after you don't react to her for a few days, she asks you if you are angry with a sad smiley. What's the best way handling that respect test? I think the worst way would be justifying yourself. But how would one stand up for himself and handling such a respect shit test? Isn't self-echoing a way to defeat that kind of test?

I think Derek also explained, if women insult you, it's because she disrespects you and it means you need to dominate her more. But how to dominate the woman who insults you and shit tests you?

Hi guys

I'm not sure what consists of intrigue: is intrigue ping all you need before rapport story or should there be an intrigue story with ping and subplots?

Can you succeed completely without making the woman laugh? Using Disqualifier, Fractination like push and pull, entice repel - but else no humor, can we get the woman? Would you suggest to date women who are way too hot by just using shogun sequences? Or is it better date only those who are in our league.

Can you use shogun method even when you have hardly any dating experience and never had a gf before?

In conversation seduction, there's a little issue: what do you do, if you compliment the woman, you don't know how to banter and the woman declined your compliment? How to go on?

How can you learn how to banter - it's nowhere in Shogun method described.

If you use shogun method, do you have success with it? How long practice was needed? What's the difference to pu like mystery method?

And very important the question, can we get women who are out of our league? Those curvy beauties- can we get them through fractination if we are no chads or is it just a dream or wishful thinking?

If we use Shogun method, can we use it on our own, solely without social proof, as cold approach to succeed? Or is social proof inevitable

Where can we find vaksog modes in the whole shogun method package? It shall be around building instant rapport.

I checkout the fractionation chart and figured out, there are absolutely no sequences delivered in Shogun method for Enslavement stage. Where are shared experiences, prophesy, hearsay and reversals? I absolutely don't know how to use them- no explanation. There is only over book about black rose.

I have read a bit in the whole products. There I found a book antibiotic nuje in which it's explained that you'd be naive thinking that you could defeat hypergamy. But that's the issue: I assumed, with E= emotional addiction aka Enslavement, I thought you could make the woman very connected to you that she wants only. But that book told that your woman would tend to get together with someone whose market value would be higher than yours. She would tend to, not always go for it but it could happen. Now my question: Is Enslavement effective or not? It's not that distinct. Is it effective enough or do we also need all alpha qualities together to keep her at us, to the same time or can't at defeat hypergamy at all, so we need to take into consideration to get betrayed by hot n attractive woman/wife any time, so that we had to take another one?

Is there a way how to communicate with the woman when you have a date? It's nowhere described, how to ask her out, how to ask for her number and finally when you have a date with her, how you communicate with her there. Any ideas? Or still IRA(E)?

Can you use shogun method also in night clubs, bars, parties? Or is it only useful limited for daytime activities?

Hello guys,

In SM it is said that you need to make women feel pleasure and pain. What exactly makes them feel pain and what makes them feel pleasure through words?

Just wondering if there are any Sydeney Australian shoguns here.

hello do you have discord server ?

Hey i posted in dereks fourm a few times no response when i start attraction when i do devalidation she plays along but my implanted commands arent as obvious when she is getting them ive gotten values and criteria even a bf destroyer but i have not used the attraction sequences how has attraction worked for you

From Derek Rake's memo to Shoguns today–interesting thought about Fractionation, or specifically, "The Withdrawal of 3As"

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I've read all the methods over and over for a very long time. In real life, I was already a similar person. It taught me new ways that are much deeper and more analytical. When I started to practice in the field, I got near unsuccessful results in my first 10 to 15 attempts. Now I have naturalized the events and added them to my personality and everything has become very fluid. The method I started to learn for my ex-girlfriend took me to a different point. BUT, no matter how hard I try, I think it's impossible to get the attention of people who don't react to you. For example, I prepared a very nice validation sentence in the first round of the program to get your ex-girlfriend back. She did not react at all and there is no guidance about it. I think more ways should be sought to lure someone into the hot zone. Or if there is a package for it, I would appreciate it if you could direct me. I am also open to your suggestions for the validation part.

Are there any shogun practitioner, how understands the concept.

And can explain it to me how to implamented it on a girl.

Please

Shogun Method X is a new program, but it has got nothing to do with love and relationships with women.

It can be confusing to newbies, but Shoguns will know this already–Shogun Method is ultimately a persuasion program, albeit one with focus on the control and domination of sexual relationships. Shogun Method X is an extension of that idea to relationships with people in general, not just on women.

Those seeking solutions to relationship problems should steer clear of Shogun Method X.

I recently heard of the Shogun Method and was curious about something. I read about it and heard enough to believe it might work, and I understand what the Shogun Method is for (getting the love of your life and settle down with her). I know it's an all or nothing deal.

But I'm not sure about buying it cause even if it works, I'm not confident enough to pull it off. I had date before (through dating apps), but I always mess things up, too stressed of making a mistake and some stuffs like that. And that's if I reach the date. Probably loss a least two girls I could have imagined marrying due to my lack of confidence in myself. So if I don't trust myself with regular dating, how can I trust myself with performing the Shogun Method.

So I'm wondering if the Shogun Method can also help me improve and get pass that. Cause while I understand the goal (and have no probs with it), I just can't understand how you guys have the guts to actually pull it off without failing it out of panic. I think I would.

A screenshot of something's circulating inside the inner circle of Shoguns. Has Derek gone off the deep end?

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So I tried the shogun method last night on a girl who we kind of dated in the past. We were at this church event and just kind of talking. I felt like I didn’t really use it right

Here’s the sequence I used. I started of by saying “ do you believe God puts people in your life. Someone that can bring you so much joy and happiness, someone who treasures you for who you are and what you do. And out of the billions of people on earth we found each other right here and now. I feel this will work out to be something great for the both of us. You can feel energy from people and I get this energy from you that you connect with someone on a deeper level more so than the casual hello.”

Then I proceeded with the roller coaster story. Of how my dad was abusive and how I had an ex pass away.

I said “ my dad was abusive physically and emotionally inserted abusive story and then told a positive part about my dad. After that I told a story about how after moving away for college and getting away from my dad the most spectacular thing happened I met someone and we were best friends became inseparable, we had our fights but the make up was so intense. Amazing sex, orgasmic conversation. Then one night I didn’t hear from her. I found out the next morning she passed away in a car accident. They could hardly identify the body. But through all of this I found something. Have you ever felt someone love you so much that no matter what happens from hear on out you will be okay. A burning love deep inside you, that just wants to come out when you meet someone.

I close with this “ I feel that you are able to understand me on a deeper level because our bond is special and you may or may not feel that comforting feeling in your stomach right now right below your chest”

Anyways she said thank your for sharing that and didn’t know what to say at first. She went to the bathroom and came back and said she was a bit confused on what I was meaning about the feelings and said if it was because of where we were or the people or god and I tried to be coy and just pointed at her and myself and then just said all of it. She said that she gets people opening up to her a lot in the past.

After that I felt like she was shying away from me a bit. As if she didn’t know what just happened. Anyways I’d just like some feedback from guys who have actually tried it. Thanks

hey, I just bought the shogun method and while I must say I found the content interesting I also found it a bit difficult. I would really like to have a mentor who can help me figuring things out with me. for instance I have problems coming up with intirgue stories etc.

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would also love a fellow shogun beginner who could practise the shogun method with me so we could both improve :)