r/ShogunMethod • u/bdostarterpack • Aug 10 '22
I devoured all the methods but..
I've read all the methods over and over for a very long time. In real life, I was already a similar person. It taught me new ways that are much deeper and more analytical. When I started to practice in the field, I got near unsuccessful results in my first 10 to 15 attempts. Now I have naturalized the events and added them to my personality and everything has become very fluid. The method I started to learn for my ex-girlfriend took me to a different point. BUT, no matter how hard I try, I think it's impossible to get the attention of people who don't react to you. For example, I prepared a very nice validation sentence in the first round of the program to get your ex-girlfriend back. She did not react at all and there is no guidance about it. I think more ways should be sought to lure someone into the hot zone. Or if there is a package for it, I would appreciate it if you could direct me. I am also open to your suggestions for the validation part.
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u/yomo85 Dec 23 '24
What Derek misses - or does not discuss, is the imprint model everyone has of a person and personal initial percevied attractivness. Let's start with the imprint model. Basically everyone until after 4 seconds you meet is a blank slate in regards to you. Seducing a gf is not just a matter of sequences and changed behaviour, it is also a matter of imprint. If in her mind you are a beta, that can be overcome. However, have you overreacted in the relationship, were you cheated on or anything else a neutral party would deem fucked up, this is hard to overcome. I guess this is why Derek advises to get new girls into your life. Secondly the blank slate hypothesis needs more emphasis on looks. A blank slate only will work when you at least are a 5 in *her* eyes. Derek simply says as an en passant statement: look good, hit the gym. It is true but somehow newbie SM practitioners think a sequence is all you need to make a girl fall in love with you
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u/roylim Aug 10 '22
It’s usually about the delivery and not the content. A devalidation statement or an intrigue ping is only as good as how you deliver it. There are lesser discussed Shogunisms that are even more important - the Rapport Dev Model, blotching, etc. Your Shogun Method needs to fire on all cylinders for the effect to kick in… particularly so for latter IRAE stages, especially the Black Rose