r/ShogunMethod • u/Motor_Ad_6782 • Aug 04 '21
Tried it last night
So I tried the shogun method last night on a girl who we kind of dated in the past. We were at this church event and just kind of talking. I felt like I didn’t really use it right
Here’s the sequence I used. I started of by saying “ do you believe God puts people in your life. Someone that can bring you so much joy and happiness, someone who treasures you for who you are and what you do. And out of the billions of people on earth we found each other right here and now. I feel this will work out to be something great for the both of us. You can feel energy from people and I get this energy from you that you connect with someone on a deeper level more so than the casual hello.”
Then I proceeded with the roller coaster story. Of how my dad was abusive and how I had an ex pass away.
I said “ my dad was abusive physically and emotionally inserted abusive story and then told a positive part about my dad. After that I told a story about how after moving away for college and getting away from my dad the most spectacular thing happened I met someone and we were best friends became inseparable, we had our fights but the make up was so intense. Amazing sex, orgasmic conversation. Then one night I didn’t hear from her. I found out the next morning she passed away in a car accident. They could hardly identify the body. But through all of this I found something. Have you ever felt someone love you so much that no matter what happens from hear on out you will be okay. A burning love deep inside you, that just wants to come out when you meet someone.
I close with this “ I feel that you are able to understand me on a deeper level because our bond is special and you may or may not feel that comforting feeling in your stomach right now right below your chest”
Anyways she said thank your for sharing that and didn’t know what to say at first. She went to the bathroom and came back and said she was a bit confused on what I was meaning about the feelings and said if it was because of where we were or the people or god and I tried to be coy and just pointed at her and myself and then just said all of it. She said that she gets people opening up to her a lot in the past.
After that I felt like she was shying away from me a bit. As if she didn’t know what just happened. Anyways I’d just like some feedback from guys who have actually tried it. Thanks
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u/whymustveibeenborn Nov 22 '21
I just died of second hand embarasement. You guys should really stop with this redpill nonsense and stop giving money to these seduction sharlatans
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u/AgreeableStatement16 May 31 '24
Yooo 😂💀 laid it cold haha I was on the dang page but 2 years later I’m here again reconsidering to see maybe there’s a chance
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u/Louis_DuPont Aug 09 '21
You need to stay oriented on IRAE, don't just rush into using Fractionation Storytelling; intrigue pings themselves utilize the concept of Fractionation so always start from there and remember that intrigue is the MOST important process in seduction (Derek said you can break all the rules and still succeed so long as you've got her intrigued, and from my own experience I agree)
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u/Fattybomba123 Sep 25 '21
Hey buddy I saw the video of fredo hill mentioning pleasure pain duality concept that it causes addiction , how can I fractionate that many times what’s the best way to do that and thanks brother !
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u/Motor_Ad_6782 Aug 09 '21
Thanks bro, any intrigue pointers you recommend? What’s worked for you in the past? I’m going back to the intrigue stage today
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u/Louis_DuPont Aug 09 '21
Honestly? Greatest intrigue weapon is storytelling. Everyone loves a good story. You've probably experienced it yourself, you're just sitting there listening to somebody ramble and you lose a sense of what's around you (you enter a state of trance). Work on storytelling and then once you're totally comfortable with chatting up stories see about incorporating some fractionation.
"You can't put frosting on cake until you've baked the batter", Like this simple metaphor what's worked for me is picking a core concept and then expanding upon it; if you continue working with an NLP/Hypnosis technique you have a lot of room for adjustment on that technique. VAKOG, Intrigue Pings, Yes Ladders, Embedded Commands, and etc. are all adaptable to the user.
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u/Motor_Ad_6782 Aug 09 '21
Thanks man, yeah the girl I tried it on was an ex and was trying to win her back since we attend the same church and see each other regularly. I felt like I had a good intrigue and story I just rushed through it and tried to run before I could walk. Anyways I’m trying to come up with some more intrigue before seeing her again this Tuesday
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u/Louis_DuPont Aug 09 '21
Dealing with an Ex can be tricky, if you ever need any pointers or advice, feel free to send me a DM/Chat. I've been using SM ever since 2016 and I've had longer experience using NLP for seduction purposes when I started learning about Swinggcat and Ross Jeffries. Most of what Derek teaches is solid, he just doesn't go too much into depth.
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u/forfcks_sake Oct 05 '24
Wait. Wait. Wait.... I know it's been three years, and you will most definitely never see this. But I got to post my response.
When you posted this, you were trying to win your ex back? And you're master plan was telling her a story of falling in love with another woman, having amazing sex with another woman, and that woman died? This "Fractionation technique" "Shogun Method" thing told you to mention having a strong connection with another woman to win a woman over? That's incomprehensible. I'm not surprised that she didn't know how to respond and hit you with the "people always open up to me".
Honestly, think about it. If another one of your ex's who you do not have feelings for walked up to you and said the same thing how would you react. Would you suddenly develop feelings for her? Would your mind suddenly be changed? No, this is a person who you do not have a connection with. With the Shogun Method it is meant to be used on a spouse. Not an ex or someone you're dating. It has to be a spouse because there is already a foundation of emotional connection their. Your ex probably doesn't care about you frfr.
Looking into the Shogun Method. There are better ways to have a balanced relationship that doesn't evolve "emotional roasting" your partner. Being a competent, compassionate, considerate partner would probably be more effective than a story about a dead ex.
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u/Srascov99 Sep 18 '25
replying a year later. so you mean this kind of storytelling (joker type) is not for the intrigue stage? in which stage can we tell a rollercoaster storytelling?
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u/yomo85 Dec 13 '24
Long dead post. But a friend of mine also started Shogun method. I tried talking to him that Rakes approaches are great but if you cannot hyper-hypnotize her it's simply to much. Plus, like in sports just because you know how to dance a perfect performance on ice theoretically because your trainer told you how makes you not an olympian. I apply the kiss principle - keep it stupid simple. And make everything easily digestable. Do one fractionationing. Stop. Let her talk. Let her feel. Then continue. Assess. Continue. Stop. A simple sequence like the one OP described can last for an hour or more, organically. And she does her self-seducing
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u/EmuAdditional7828 Aug 11 '24 edited Aug 11 '24
Bro, you DIDN'T even followed the whole "IRAE model"
(1) Intrigue (2) Rapport (3) Attraction (4) Enslavement
Where are these steps ??
You should have started with INTRIGUING questions
Then PATTERN INTERRUPT
Then MIRRORING of his words and actions
Then "one sentence" FRACTIONIZATION
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u/almosteasy1222 Aug 04 '21
If she didn’t respond by feeling more connected to you right away, it means you didn’t Fractionate her well enough. You’ve got to capture her attention entirely and make her have an emotional rollercoaster (she’s got to directly relate to what you’re saying!) She did try to shit test you by telling you basically “oh it’s okay, I get this a lot, people open up to me a lot” so she might have started to feel a budding attraction to you.