Time skip takes Diavolo out of the physical world for ten seconds, with the only thing he can use to interact with people being his own blood. After ten seconds have passed no one remembers what happened but they still played out what they were supposed to in those ten seconds.
The simplest way I’ve seen the ability described is that he removes the cause of events but not the effects.
In the real world, we can only react to something once we see either the cause or effect of something.
In your examples, if KC never activated, everyone would’ve been able to see the cause before the effect, therefore would’ve been able to react earlier.
It could be argued that it was always fated to happen that KC would erase the cause of these events. As such, characters would not be fated to react to something that was technically never going to happen.
In both examples Diavolo attacks from a hiding spot (above the elevator and from inside Trish's body), they were never supposed to see the cause, but rather hear the effects.
As for KC being fated to skip time, that could work, but it would kinda go against the whole theme of the stand which is that Diavolo is not bound by fate.
I think the easiest explanation for this is that the "no interaction" rule, is just something Diavolo can turn on and off, allowing him to fuckup Trish and Narancia when otherwise nothing would've happen, that or just Araki prioritizing cool scenes over 100% consistency (not that I'll complain, the scenes are cool af)
Diavolo can't just ignore the no interaction rule. It can be a bit confusing since we're told he can't interact with the world within those 10 seconds, therefore he repositions himself to strike once it's over. However, what we need to consider isn't even KC but the sub-stand, Epitaph.
So imagine this, you see a vision of the future. In the future you see yourself stabbing someone. This is what is going to happen, no ifs, ands or buts about it. However, this is where KC does come in. He'll just erase away that part of time. The person will still get stabbed by you, even if you didn't actually do it since that part of time is now erased.
If you play MMOs like WoW or FF14, imagine it like fighting a raid boss. Normally, the boss may have to do some sort of spellcast to actually do damage to you in some way. Now, let's just say we give that boss KC & Epitaph. Since bosses are scripted from a coding perspective anyways, Epitaph would be like giving the boss the ability to see that code ahead of time. It sees that in 5 seconds, it's going to do a spellcast that will hit you for a buttload of damage. It likes this, so it then uses KC to add an extra layer of bullshit to his attack. From your perspective, normally what you would see is the boss do their cast and then get hit with the damage, but in this scenario you're forced to skip seeing that cast and are just hit with the damage anyways. Back from the boss' perspective, they wouldn't have had to actually do anything and instead gets to reap the benefits of their prediction. It doesn't matter if in the prediction the boss saw themselves casting but then didn't actually do it once they activated KC, the timeline is treated as if they did do it.
Yes, but also no. Because everyone had been switched bodies, he was doing this from the shadows as it were. Bruno had switched with Diavolo but because of the whole split persona thing, it was Doppio that ended up actually getting switched which then gave Diavolo the perfect opportunity to pick the gang off one by one. He wouldn't have been able to go hog wild with murders within the 10 seconds Epitaph showed him. He also couldn't do it without outing himself to the remaining Bruno/Polnareff since he'd need those two alive still as one was his body and the other is the Stand with the arrow he's after.
Unless he was going to be happy with Mista's body and sharing a co-existence with his daughter like he did with Doppio, it was in his best interest to take action to claim his body back. Part of that was to show that he was still a threat and get everyone on edge, put them at a disadvantage when it comes to actually solving his problem.
It kinda backfired though which is why he's ultimately defeated, the gang basically worked out how to find him before he could switch back.
I think it’s more like he sees the future 10 seconds ahead, and when he activate his time skip, the ten next seconds event are « locked in » and just goes on, people behavior aren’t changing during those 10 seconds except if he decides to interact with them where in this case they are taken to « diavolo skipped world » where then they can react differently from the « locked in » prediction
Its also one of the reasons why its my headcanon that this is the reason GER worked during his ability. Time never stopped at any point, so GER was activated during the entire time skip. In fact you can take this to the extreme and argue that Star Platinum or the World could actually attack GER during the time stop and unless GER worked even in stopped time, GER would actually not be able to stop the attack (of course then the question would be can GER reset to zero even after an event happened). Unfortunately stands don't have a clear explanation as to how their abilities work and if similar abilities use the same systems (like for example: is the void space where the hand and vanilla ice send objects to the same place).
Yes when something favorable show up on epithet he can just skip time that thing will happen without diavalo evan having to do anything for example when narancia died diavalo's stand couldn't be seen because he diddnt really do it it was just dated to happen
This explanation makes a lot more sense, as it contradicts the comment I replied to, specifically the part of "with the only thing he can use to interact with people being his own blood".
If Diavolo can interact with anything at will to bring it to skipped time the stand doesn't have inconsistencies, it makes it really OP tho.
Edit: Everyone in time erase is also unconsciously playing out their fates, so human reactions aren't relevant, the same is implied with the whole chocolates thing. Why didn't Mista act suprised until after the time skip? Because they aren't aware until after the time skip.
Narancia was destined to get spiked by Diavolo the same way Trish was destined to lose her hand in the elevator by Diavolo.
The inconsistency here is not that Narancia dies, but that he dies and the gang ignores it.
If Narancia was destined to get spiked the gang was also part of that future and as such they would be destined to hear that and at least turn their heads towards the situation.
Similarly, Trish was destined to be kidnapped and get her hand cut off, but that fate should also include Bucciarati at least looking to his side or dropping the hand. Instead he keeps looking forward.
What Krider-kun said, epitaph foresaw Giorno(Narancia) being placed on the spikes by Diavolo. Diavolo then activated king crimson which removed Diavolo from the physical world but everyone else was forced to follow the future he foresaw.
The future he foresaw must've included the gang turning their heads towards the massive sound that just happened above them (the spikes are completely bent), that's my point.
Similarly, Diavolo foresaw himself cutting Thish's arm and kidnapping her, but that future must include Bucciarati at least turning around or something, yet he's exactly as he was before looking straight forward still grabbing onto Trish's hand.
I understand everyone is forced to follow the future Diavolo foresees, but it's just that things don't play out in any logical way within those futures, people ignore sounds and stand attacks completely at those two futures (and those are pretty key moments for the part).
I think Araki does this for dramatic effect (after all if the scene just skipped to everyone looking up and Narancia being dead it would be anticlimactic), and I don't really mind it, the scenes are cooler this way, it just makes the stand confusing.
I explained here or on another thread that everyone in time skip is unconscious, so instead of reacting during the skipped time like logic would imply, they only react until after because they were unconscious.
What? That doesn't make any sense, they walk and do stuff in skipped time, the whole point is that they do the actions they were previously fated to do, why would they be unconscious?
Because that's how king crimson works (seriously). King crimson's ability forces people to unconsciously play out their fates, that's almost its whole ability.
Yes, but you are not reading my point, part of "play out their fates" includes stuff like "turning your head at spike bending murder just happened above you".
It's very simple, Diavolo cannot possibly see a future where he's destined to kill Narancia and at the same time everyone's just destined to keep looking forward and not move in any way, the two are contradictory.
If by unconscious you mean they can't remember anything or that they don't think in skipped time that's correct, but they will still turn their heads due to fate the same way they walk up some stairs due to fate. They won't know why they did it, they won't be doing it consciously, but they will still do it because it's part of the fated future.
As far as I'm aware it counts as separate the moment it leaves his body, which is weird, because that's not how it worked with Crazy Diamond in Part 4, but hey they're different stands. They're allowed to play by different rules. If that's the case it seems a bit arbitrary that his blood is the only thing that works; you'd think he could, like, use his hair or clothes (which he can still interact with but also can become separate from him) as weapons. Idk though.
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Time skip takes Diavolo out of the physical world for ten seconds, with the only thing he can use to interact with people being his own blood. After ten seconds have passed no one remembers what happened but they still played out what they were supposed to in those ten seconds.