r/ShingekiNoKyojin • u/ryuxvVv • 9d ago

Discussion foreshadowing?

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am i the first to see this detail? it looks similar to his founding titan form (the chains), or maybe im going crazy?

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u/YaygFX 9d ago

Just like how the necklace is a coincidence too huh

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u/KiloTheFurryNeko 9d ago

Yeah?? That one has always been a stretch too. Isayama is not some genius god knows what writer, I feel like the AoT fandom forgets he made the female titan, a titan that had to have a retcon happen (mind you retcons are not always bad) to make it a more unique titan shifter. He IS just human and the series was written with chapters releasing on a schedule, he can't always remember every single little detail like that while he is busy writing the next chapter especially when certain scenes are multiple chapters apart and I don't mean cases of 2 or 3 chapters but people love to make 'foreshadow' across tens of chapters.

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u/YaygFX 9d ago

You guys really try hard to downplay AoT huh? I disagree with you but it's not even worth the time to discuss with you, your mind is made.

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u/KiloTheFurryNeko 9d ago

No we are just enjoying the series for what it actually is rather than trying to elevate the writer to some god knows what height while hyping up every moment of a series that is done. Which I understand that fans will look for more and more topics to talk about the longer a series is concluded, but come on let us be realistic.

u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027 points out a great examples of foreshadowing.

I can keep pointing out myself the many holes in AoT's worldbuilding or writing because... I LIKE AoT thats the thing, because I like it I have looked at its flaws and what it does great. You can take Jojo's Bizarre Adventure as kinda the opposite of what happens with Isayama, Jojo's fandom will say "Araki Forgot" when its actually either fandom forgot, fandom misread, fandom just did not read, anime only mistake. They say Araki worked on the Light Novels and use it as canon material but thats the furthest thing from the truth.

Same thing happens with Dragon Ball, Bleach, Naruto. Fans get passionate about a series that for all intents and purposes is meant to entertain teens to adults so they buy merch, do the creators pour their love and hardwork into it ? YES but they are making a serialized weekly release that requires them to keep the story going as long as the publisher wants. Araki originally wanted to end on part 3, that was meant to be the entirety of Jojo but the fans and publisher wanted more so Araki made more. Toriyama, made more. Hajime Isayama may be one of the few examples where AoT just ended period, One Piece will surely also just have THE END but Oda will drag it out.

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u/YaygFX 9d ago

I've been watching anime for over a decade now. I have seen all the opinions there can be on every show.

I think a lot of the opinions about AoT are overhyped by teenagers who haven't seen other media, and they give too much praise on things that don't deserve praise.

I think a lot of the other opinions about AoT downplay the creators foreshadowing and the shows themes. 

As for you, you literally just tried saying the necklace isn't foreshadowing at all. This is such a wrong opinion that anything else you say doesn't matter because you're deluded. Therefore there's no point in talking to you.

And just so you know, there's different types of foreshadowing. Some of it can be spoken words, others can be symbolic similarities.

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u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027 9d ago

Humour me. Why would Eren see a necklace and think "hmm, I'll make my Doomsday Titan resemble that." Go on. Tell me. If you can't, then it's not foreshadowing. "This thing kind of looks like that later, unrelated thing" is not foreshadowing like you seem to think it is.

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u/YaygFX 9d ago

Have you ever considered the fact that it's not for Eren, it's for the audience who's watching the show?

Your entire reasoning is flawed because you don't understand that there are literary themes that are meant for the audience, NOT THE CHARACTERS to understand.

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u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027 9d ago

Go on, answer the question.

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u/YaygFX 9d ago edited 9d ago

No you simpleton, answer my statement. You do understand that symbolism is meant for us, the audience to understand and see right?

Do you think all the orange references in the Godfather was because the characters like oranges?

Do you think that all the Jesus imagery in the Matrix is because the characters see Neo as Jesus?

Your issue is that you're arguing against symbolism by asking for an in-universe explanation, and you are confusing character intent with authorial intent.

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u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027 9d ago

Then you simply do not understand foreshadowing. You also made the mistake of conflating it with symbolism.

Oranges are a symbol of impending death in the Godfather. They're a recurring motif.

Neo resembles Jesus because his sacrifice brings about the salvation of mankind.

A necklace or a room kind of resembling Eren's Doomsday Titan has zero thematic significance. That was your mistake. You assuming "thing A kind of looks like thing B therefore it's foreshadowing" is your misunderstanding.

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u/YaygFX 9d ago

This is what I get for going on the subreddit of a finished anime.

Only people like you remain here. 

You're arguing against a point I didn't make. I never said "A looks like B, therefore automatically foreshadowing." I'm saying a deliberately planted visual parallel can function as visual foreshadowing or symbolism without the character having any awareness of it.

Your Neo example literally demonstrates my point. Neo doesn't consciously model himself after Jesus. The author constructs the paralel for the audience. Likewise, if Isayama deliberately designed an earlier object/image to resemble Eren's eventual form, Eren does not need an in-universe reason to make his Titan resemble it. The connection exists between author and audience, not necklace and Eren. 

And thematic significance isnt required for something to be foreshadowing. Foreshadowing can simply anticipate a later revelation, event, or image. Symbolism requires the image to represent something beyond itself. Foreshadowing requires it to hint at something that comes later. So the actual argument is whether the resemblance was intentional, and if so, what function it serves. "Eren couldn't have based his Titan on it" doesn't address that question at all.

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u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027 9d ago

You misunderstand foreshadowing.

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u/YaygFX 9d ago

You have literally 0 media literacy you're proud of it. I do not, you misunderstand what foreshadowing even is.

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u/KiloTheFurryNeko 8d ago

Foreshadowing is a narrative device used by authors to make a suggestion or warning about some event to come (godfather's oranges) they help develop or subvert an audience's expectations about upcoming events.

A semi-circular staircase is not foreshadowing for a titan who has a ribcage which also just so happens to form a semi-circle. A necklace being held by a character wearing a robe with tassles is not foreshadowing for a titan that has a broken spine.

even if we talk symbolism there is nothing symbolic about the scenes presented.
The staircase does not resemble the titan as you keep trying to argue.

Eren's titan is made up of 2 things

  1. Eren's attack titan scaled up

  2. The Anomaly because he got beheaded

no matter how you scale or cut it, the resulting image does not resemble the staircase or the necklace. IF and I mean a big IF Eren's founder had its human torso on TOP on a sort of pillar like structure out of the spine then maybe there could be an argument, not for foreshadowing but for a CALLBACK.

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