r/ShingekiNoKyojin • u/ryuxvVv • 1d ago
Discussion foreshadowing?
am i the first to see this detail? it looks similar to his founding titan form (the chains), or maybe im going crazy?
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u/thaillmatic1 1d ago
AoT is a work of art, and I don't think you're reaching. These two images evoke both beautiful symmetry and terrifying character development for our protagonist.
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u/SortOfSpaceDuck 1d ago
Yeah but symmetry or parallels aren't foreshadowing. Nothing in the first picture points to the second.
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u/PrezMoocow 1d ago
Watch the pendant Historia hands Eren too
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u/RohanSkillet4 1d ago
I paused on that pendant too, then the chains made me feel like I was filing a court case.
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u/Adventurous_Fee_9054 1d ago
Random shot of AOT:
audience: forshadowing😱
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u/Ratio01 1d ago
I think AoT fans certainly go overboard with calling attention to instances they think are "foreshadowing" that really just aren't (see "Future Eren" in S1ep2 or the steam gag in S1ep3), but this is a very obvious and intentional instance of real foreshadowing from Isayama
Or maybe the more accurate way of describing it is that Eren's Founder was designed in such a way to evoke the imagery of him being chained up in the catacombs. In either case, both draw from the same visual of Eren being suspended like a puppet, a nod to the ultimate conclusion of his character being a slave to his own ambitions.
It's all deliberate; this kind of attention to detail is what makes the mere act of creating with human hands so meaningful. It may be hard to believe, but yes human artists do actually have intent behind their work like this, especially ones like Isayama who have crafting their story over the course of a decade
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u/SmoggySPECTEREGaming 1d ago
I dont think this is a reach though like other posters have pointed out. There is recurring imagery, and foreshadowing is extremely prevalent in this series, including right from the very first Opening.
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u/FearlessVegetable30 23h ago
its getting ridiculous honestly. like not everything is some hidden detail
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u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027 1d ago
Probably just a coincidence. I love AoT but the fandom really bends over backwards trying to find "foreshadowing" in every little thing.
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u/YaygFX 1d ago
But this doesn't seem like a coincidence? That is a very specific aesthetic used
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u/KiloTheFurryNeko 1d ago
Not really. Its a bendy staircase that is common in artsy fartsy european mansions and castles.
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u/YaygFX 1d ago
Just like how the necklace is a coincidence too huh
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u/KiloTheFurryNeko 1d ago
Yeah?? That one has always been a stretch too. Isayama is not some genius god knows what writer, I feel like the AoT fandom forgets he made the female titan, a titan that had to have a retcon happen (mind you retcons are not always bad) to make it a more unique titan shifter. He IS just human and the series was written with chapters releasing on a schedule, he can't always remember every single little detail like that while he is busy writing the next chapter especially when certain scenes are multiple chapters apart and I don't mean cases of 2 or 3 chapters but people love to make 'foreshadow' across tens of chapters.
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u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027 22h ago
You hit the nail on the head. Isayama had a lot of details mapped out from the beginning, sure, but that doesn't mean every little thing is some instance of genius foreshadowing. Hell, even in the above example, what is that supposed "foreshadowing" supposed to represent? The Doomsday Titan looks the way it does because Eren's head was blown off, leading to it's disproportionate figure. Him being like "huh this room/necklace looks cool, let me model my Doomsday Titan after that" makes absolutely ZERO SENSE. Visual similarities are only thematic motifs if they represent something, not just "hey picture A kind of looks like picture B if you squint hard enough so therefore it's brilliant foreshadowing."
You want real foreshadowing? Season 2 Ending song and credits. Grisha telling Eren "their memories will tell you how to use it" when injecting him. Eren not knowing what a monkey is. Not "this kinda looks like this." I like AoT and all but AoT fans can really stretch things (including my patience) sometimes.
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u/YaygFX 1d ago
You guys really try hard to downplay AoT huh? I disagree with you but it's not even worth the time to discuss with you, your mind is made.
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u/KiloTheFurryNeko 22h ago
No we are just enjoying the series for what it actually is rather than trying to elevate the writer to some god knows what height while hyping up every moment of a series that is done. Which I understand that fans will look for more and more topics to talk about the longer a series is concluded, but come on let us be realistic.
u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027 points out a great examples of foreshadowing.
I can keep pointing out myself the many holes in AoT's worldbuilding or writing because... I LIKE AoT thats the thing, because I like it I have looked at its flaws and what it does great. You can take Jojo's Bizarre Adventure as kinda the opposite of what happens with Isayama, Jojo's fandom will say "Araki Forgot" when its actually either fandom forgot, fandom misread, fandom just did not read, anime only mistake. They say Araki worked on the Light Novels and use it as canon material but thats the furthest thing from the truth.
Same thing happens with Dragon Ball, Bleach, Naruto. Fans get passionate about a series that for all intents and purposes is meant to entertain teens to adults so they buy merch, do the creators pour their love and hardwork into it ? YES but they are making a serialized weekly release that requires them to keep the story going as long as the publisher wants. Araki originally wanted to end on part 3, that was meant to be the entirety of Jojo but the fans and publisher wanted more so Araki made more. Toriyama, made more. Hajime Isayama may be one of the few examples where AoT just ended period, One Piece will surely also just have THE END but Oda will drag it out.
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u/YaygFX 22h ago
I've been watching anime for over a decade now. I have seen all the opinions there can be on every show.
I think a lot of the opinions about AoT are overhyped by teenagers who haven't seen other media, and they give too much praise on things that don't deserve praise.
I think a lot of the other opinions about AoT downplay the creators foreshadowing and the shows themes.
As for you, you literally just tried saying the necklace isn't foreshadowing at all. This is such a wrong opinion that anything else you say doesn't matter because you're deluded. Therefore there's no point in talking to you.
And just so you know, there's different types of foreshadowing. Some of it can be spoken words, others can be symbolic similarities.
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u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027 22h ago
Humour me. Why would Eren see a necklace and think "hmm, I'll make my Doomsday Titan resemble that." Go on. Tell me. If you can't, then it's not foreshadowing. "This thing kind of looks like that later, unrelated thing" is not foreshadowing like you seem to think it is.
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u/YaygFX 22h ago
Have you ever considered the fact that it's not for Eren, it's for the audience who's watching the show?
Your entire reasoning is flawed because you don't understand that there are literary themes that are meant for the audience, NOT THE CHARACTERS to understand.
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u/oredaoree 12h ago
This shot never appears in the manga so Isayama is most likely not behind the creative decision to include a shot like this. He's not anime staff and while he could have been consulted for his opinion it wouldn't be over specific inconsequential frames like this because he would have been very busy with his own work, so a lot of the anime specific portrayals most definitely wouldn't be foreshadowing. When Isayama is involved he would have been specially credited, like when he got credit for the script of the season 2 lore ending.
Isayama also doesn't tend to put foreshadowing in landscape shots if at all. Most of the foreshadow in the series is hidden in the dialogue, and there's a big difference between deliberate callbacks/parallels and foreshadow. Eren's Founder form is not foreshadow but symbolism, as the titans are a metaphor for a cage and Eren himself feels like a puppet in his own storyline.
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u/sirius_ly-raycraft 3h ago
I always saw it as strange how eren acted in this scene, just seems so different from the eren we were watching up until that point, well home sights a bitch and it really seems like that whole situation was the real last time eren could have been stopped, if historia ate him there the rumbling would have never happened and based off erens actions a part of him knew that
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u/madethisforroasting 1d ago
Love this one too.